Understanding the 1f Jump

[huey253]

What are some of the things to discourage characters like Chipp and May (characters who rise vertically really fast) from one frame jumping out of pressure after FDing a couple normals?

[Kyle]

^Grounded moves & Air throws. Also, pressure that is not loosey-goosey. Consider doing a legit mix-up.

[DoctaMario]

Great vid! Thanks for posting that!

[huey253]

I know that FD push back has been increased in +R, so I was just wondering if it made it more difficult to do those things... Thanks

[WolfCrimson]

This is a good article, but the problem is that it can get lost under newer articles and then no-one would be able to read it. I suggest putting this info (and that video) into the GG wiki.

[phantomBlade]

FD uses a lot more meter in ACR. Might not be as useful as you think.

[Dream Maker]

Hum no, it doesn't use more meter. Pushes back more when blocking an attack however which makes it actually more useful than before.

[doragonkoroshi]

http://wiki.livedoor.jp/ggxx_matome/...%b8#content_11

Here's jump startup data from +R for math purposes. So for a lot of characters, there are 3 startup frames for their jump, which is the fastest jump startup in the game. If we compare Potemkin's data on the table, to that on the video, we see that (assuming his jump startup hasn't changed since #R) the table is counting pre-jump frames, and not including the first frame where you're actually in the air, so for Potemkin, it's 5 frames listed on the table here. That means the fastest fd jump in the game is 4 frames.

The numbers in the table are wakeup: face down / wakeup: on back / pre-jump.

So:

Order-Sol - 49/53/3
A.B.A. - 52/66/4
Sol - 49/53/3
Ky - 49/51/3
May - 50/53/3
Millia - 48/53/3
Axl - 49/54/4
Potemkin - 50/52/5
Chipp - 46/59/3
Eddie - 47/53/3
Baiken - 50/53/3
Faust - 54/53/4
Testament - 51/55/4
Jam - 53/56/3
Anji - 50/54/3
Johnny - 49/53/4
Venom - 51/49/4
Dizzy - 49/53/3
Slayer - 48/54/4
I-no - 50/53/3
Zappa - 55/49/3
Bridget - 48/54/3
Robo-Ky - 49/51/5
Kliff - 46/49/3
Justice - 45/54/3

[doragonkoroshi]

So also, if you're applying pressure, and you do a move intended to catch jump outs, like Testament's 6k, if your opponent "1frame jumps," they will be able to block whether it be pre-jump frames or if they're in the air already. So you would have to hit them with a low during pre-jump frames to break their guard in this situation. The problem is they can "fuzzy jump" (there's an article on this from a couple years ago) where they hit 7, then hold 1 during pre-jump frames, and finally FD as soon as they're airborne to guard against lows. So in that case, if you hit them with an overhead during the pre-jump frames, it would hit.

This sounds too strong in theory, but you can't just mash out 1 and 7 and 2 attack buttons and expect it to go well, and you can't just hold 7 in block strings without eating lows. In practical terms, you still have to wait it out and block some mixup in order to find the right opportunity to 1frame jump. And even then, after you've jumped out, if your opponent delays their anti-jump attack to the point where you've let off your fd to airdash or do a normal or something, you'll still get hit. If you just hold fd the whole time you're in the air, you'll land right back where you started, or get air thrown, so you have to let down your defenses at some point to attempt an escape. Then there's the problem of attempting a 1frame jump, and then you block the air normal, but it still puts you back on the ground.

So I guess the simplest way to put it is that 1 frame jumps are a safer way to jump out of pressure, but they're no substitute for actual blocking.