Febreze Report post Posted December 14, 2007 Guys I am having trouble dl'ing may any suggestions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hellmonkey Report post Posted December 15, 2007 What exactly are you having trouble with? She's really easy to loop she's just very light so coming from the ground you'll need to delay a 2D tatami slightly or FRC, overall you can SD SD almost always, and you can even combo normally after most SD SD while jumping into her in the corner, because she's so light. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SHINIGAMI_mkl Report post Posted December 17, 2007 Hey im not sure if its the right place to write this but i didnt want to open a new thread for it either. Well its just that when i was running up to throw my friend, his low hit went through me when i was stopping(when the her running animation changes to somewhat like baiken breaking her run). I tried a few times later with him and for a few frames she was below knee or low invincible, is that something new or anything? And when my friend did it he couldn't at least with anji. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hellmonkey Report post Posted December 18, 2007 Some dashstops have a ton of invinciblity, Baiken's is one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Agile Report post Posted December 18, 2007 Out of curiosity, is there a table with this information. I've looked through the system data and DL's GGAC guide and haven't heard nor seen the "dashstop invincibility" property. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hellmonkey Report post Posted December 18, 2007 I don't think it's full invincibility, her hitbox just changes/becomes much smaller when she's stopping. It's been like that for as long as I can remember. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Agile Report post Posted December 18, 2007 Ah, I see what you're saying. While most good players don't get by 5D, and it's arguably faster to FDC 5D after a dash, I find that if I cancel Baiken's dash with a 5D at max range, the way her dashstop goes into 5D throws people off from time to time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hellmonkey Report post Posted December 18, 2007 You can cancel dashstop into moves, so it is the same speed. Generally Baiken should be stopping her dashes with FD while option selecting a GC though, unless you are planning on doing a move directly out of it like 5D (not that I recommend it, 5D in general is awful against good enough players who can block it, which is almost any good player) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Agile Report post Posted December 18, 2007 Very sound points you make... Especially FDC-ing dashes with option selected GC's. That sounds like a powerful tactic. I would imagine one would choose a GC with FRC though, or how do you determine the GC to option select? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hellmonkey Report post Posted December 18, 2007 youshijin or possibly baku 99% of the time, there are VERY few moves a fastest youshijin, and NO moves that aren't invincible a fastest baku won't punish (refer to the updated section of the guide for what I'm talking about) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Linuka Report post Posted December 18, 2007 youshijin or possibly baku 99% of the time, there are VERY few moves a fastest youshijin, and NO moves that aren't invincible a fastest baku won't punish (refer to the updated section of the guide for what I'm talking about) What? you mean I can't just spam counters all day? I have to Run, FD, and GC? No wai!!! That's too hard for me!!! btw: I've been trying to toy with something after RCing a TK YZN (I like to call it Joe Johnson), as I can't get the FRC down quite yet. But I still have yet to find anything good, as just an air mat doesn't connect all the time...any help? I hate knowing that an attack will hit, and not being able to follow up with anything.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hellmonkey Report post Posted December 19, 2007 You should be able to connect with a mat every time if you make sure you use back jump when you do it by inputting 6321473S (that's how I do it) Sometimes the mat won't connect if you do a running youzansen (623696S, or it's variations) Also, make sure you're doing the tatami by negative edging from your RC, so do the motion 236 and then RC with K S and HS, when you let go of your RC it will negative edge your tatami mat. This gives you more time to hit confirm it and make sure it comes out before you hit the ground. As for the FRC, don't even bother. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Linuka Report post Posted December 19, 2007 You should be able to connect with a mat every time if you make sure you use back jump when you do it by inputting 6321473S (that's how I do it) Sometimes the mat won't connect if you do a running youzansen (623696S, or it's variations) Also, make sure you're doing the tatami by negative edging from your RC, so do the motion 236 and then RC with K S and HS, when you let go of your RC it will negative edge your tatami mat. This gives you more time to hit confirm it and make sure it comes out before you hit the ground. As for the FRC, don't even bother. Holy Strat Batman! That reply was fast! and so full of knowledge too! Yeah, most TK Youzansens I do running...but I guess that's a bad thing? Oh, and I totally forgot about being able to Negative edge that stuff, thanks man, I'll be testin' that out in a bit. But is there anything else you could do after that TK YZN, besides a mat? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hellmonkey Report post Posted December 19, 2007 Midscreen you could j.D FRC ad j.tatami, but in general your best option will always be a mat. Midscreen after the mat you can iad j.SD or SPD depending on what character you're against, and in the corner you will always get the loop after the mat. It is by far her best option, and gives her the low tatami advantage if it does happen to get blocked, keep in mind though that you'll have a little bit of ground recovery because of youzansen (the only way to prevent ground recovery after youzansen is jump cancelling before you hit the ground) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pulsr Report post Posted December 19, 2007 6k,2hs x N Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rtl42 Report post Posted December 19, 2007 Midscreen you could j.D FRC ad j.tatami, but in general your best option will always be a mat. Midscreen after the mat you can iad j.SD or SPD depending on what character you're against, and midscreen you will always get the loop after the mat. It is by far her best option, and gives her the low tatami advantage if it does happen to get blocked, keep in mind though that you'll have a little bit of ground recovery because of youzansen (the only way to prevent ground recovery after youzansen is jump cancelling before you hit the ground) did you mean to say corner? on which characters does SPD work? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hellmonkey Report post Posted December 19, 2007 Yeah, I meant corner, and SPD/SPSD work on most characters it works on in the corner (you can almost always get SPSD vs Pot, for example) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wookz Report post Posted December 19, 2007 quick question....what counters work best in any given situation prolly a n00b question...o_o Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rtl42 Report post Posted December 20, 2007 Yeah, I meant corner, and SPD/SPSD work on most characters it works on in the corner (you can almost always get SPSD vs Pot, for example) not sure i follow since the replies have been broken up a bit, but you're saying this: TK YZS RC falling tatami j.SPD? I know about falling tatami |> iad.j.SD, but not the above. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hellmonkey Report post Posted December 20, 2007 oh, with the IAD, you have to IAD to connect almost anything midscreen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rtl42 Report post Posted December 20, 2007 OH OK whoops sorry, oh ok, gotcha. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Linuka Report post Posted December 26, 2007 Merry Christmas Fellow Baiken Players! Woo! It makes me proud to play some Bacon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doomscyther Report post Posted December 27, 2007 Baiken players celebrate Kwanzaa. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ghost333 Report post Posted February 13, 2008 i always wanted to ask sth although a litle bit old but still usable in AC too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1lyfd4P_84 about the last example why FD? what is the difference? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hellmonkey Report post Posted February 13, 2008 http://www.dustloop.com/forums/showpost.php?p=156080&postcount=7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites