[CP] Relius Clover vs Iron Tager

[TD]

Discuss the Tager matchup here.

The Neutral Game

Long Range: Your Tools vs His Tools

Medium Range: Your Tools vs His Tools

Close Quarters: Your Tools vs His Tools

In The Air: Your Tools vs His Tools

Offense

Your Offense:

His Offense:

Defense

Your Defense:

His Defense:

Gimmicks and Resets

Match Summary

[Little Subby]

You get magnetized, you die.

[NecroTheReaper]

That's how it always has been with every character vs tager lol. Don't Ley too much either, but backstep seems to work well. Havnt faught alot of tagers, so I don't know much.

[Little Subby]

Counter Assault is your bestfriend in this lol 5b is a good tool to keep distance and 2c fatals tager J2c, just watch out for the delayed one. 214C is good for starting pressure at a distance. Watch out for wake up 2c for some tagers and magna tech wheel. Use 22c when tager is charging spark bolt from a distant. Overdrive is quite useful for keeping ignis alive in this matchup so surely use it. Crush trigger is a good way to open tagers up as well with doll pressure started.

[Boodendorf]

IAD j.A beats charged sledge, but not the followup. Very useful as you can throw out a 214C and if the Tager attempts to sledge through it you can bait that and beat it out.

Don't rely on luck when anti airing, if you can use 4D rather than 2C. Much safer and you can still get a combo out of it.

j.C is an instant overhead on crouching tager, you can do j.C j.2D j.B into stuff. Watch out for his own 2C tho.

[NecroTheReaper]

Had a lot of good matches with a Tager today, one type of gimmicky setup he used on me a few times was AC>j.B crossup, took me a while to get use to seein this.

5B beats out just about all his moves from starting position, and most other moves you can wiff 5B and still be safe. I think he can only jump forward to try and beat you out of it, but (this is a bad habit of mine from too much AI play) 2C will give you that nice FC if he tries to call out 5B.

Getting magnetized means you don't have an air game for a few seconds, just be calm and try to keep him at a distance with good 5B usage. Most of ignis' moves can be stuffed on reaction with Sledge, and generally he can start up another one before 22x comes out, so this is kinda a fight where your average normals come into play. If you do end up in the air while magnetized, sometimes j.A can beat out AC if he tries this on you. Its risky, but if you're in the air anyway without any clear means of getting away, just go for it. Double jumping also sometimes makes you shoot right past him.

Like I said before, a lot of ignis moves can be stuffed on reaction by tager. 214B can sometimes get him (which is hilarious with the new doll super changes), but it gives him a clear shot to you with spark. You can ley spark btw, but if misstimed, you're gonna eat a nice tager combo.

Backstep works wonders when he tries to get you magnetized, plus between backstep and ley, you can put him in a bad position if you ley his 2D. Could end up putting him right in thr corner.

Gear super is still a bad option in this matchup, you can still be grabbed right out of it, or sledged, or any other tager BS he can pull on you.

[Myoro]

Relius has a few Tager only gimmicks, (but then again who doesn't)

some things I use with much success is Led ley.. if you train yourself to Led Ley any time Tager flashes yellow on the ground, the result will be you've just avoided a spark bolt, or Tager's just pulled you through himself for a humongous punish opportunity. So long as your timing isn't too late you should recover in time for a 3C counter hit into the good stuff.

I've also seen Relius do 5B->3C->236C~214A->22C->2D->airdash->followup work from midscreen. So If you have any trouble getting Ignis summoned for whatver reason, fret not there are ways to do it mid combo against Tager.

214B is great vs those who use sledge to move around. Use it toward the end of their sledge, and they'll be forced to follow up or take a 214B CH to the back. if they do follow up you'll be ready with a 3C counter on their whiff.

[NecroTheReaper]

Im just curious if anyone knows if mashing j.A after an air purple grab tech will stuff his air 360 reset? I end up eating so many purple grabs cuz of this

Edit: ok, j.C and j.236C can both avoid it. They also leadto hilarious corner carry when they connect. If you tech the purple grab, then you can do this to beat the aor tager buster. j.C>j.236C>j.214A>5B>2C>6C>41236B>66B>j.b>j.C>j.236C>j.214B. This was the combo I did for roughly 3600 damage, maybe you could use 236C instead of j.236C at the end to avoid SMP.