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[CP] Hazama vs. Amane Nishiki

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Discuss the Matchup here! OP will be edited as information is collected.

Overview

Neutral

Spacing and Movement

Chain Zoning

Offense

Approach

Pressure and Okizeme

Defense

Approach

Pressure and Okizeme

Retaliation

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Does anyone know if a mizuchi would beat Amane when he's in the middle of his long range normals?

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You mean like would they go through haz during his startup? I don't think mizuchi has physical hit invul so I won't trade. But outside of the scarf hitboxes would be ideal, he'd whiff the attack and you get yours free. Inside the scarf hitbox or even if you were to be in the exact location of the scarf, his super is slightly faster - keep in mind haz's super minimum range. If it trades, it trades. No animation for haz.

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Does anyone have any experience with this match up at all? Vids of good players are scarce and mostly useless.

 

Here is what I've got so far:

 

Hazama is going to have to chase Amane, and while a well timed chain is going to get you in it can be pretty tough to end up in such position and then win off momentum.

 

5D is useless in this match up, Amane has multiple ways to deal with it (distance dependent):

- iad/hop jB

- 5C

- 3C

- 2C

- dash 5B

- jump back jC

- ...?

he doesn't get much off most confirms but you really don't want to give him the chance to make you block stuff at all.

 

His 5A and 6A are pretty good vs. our air approaches but that's to be expected.

I feel it's still way easier to play around his 5A and 6A than staying on the ground for too long and have him hop fwd jB and letting him start his gameplan.

 

The only grounded movement worth using is dash~barrier.

d[1AB] is really good in this match up, Amane will often try to stand at (his) 5C max range as that will tag any 5D attempt, will be relatively safe from our dash 3C and will force you to air barrier it if you were to try to get in with jump back ~> chain.

When he's at 5C max range he also has the option to hop/iad jB pretty easily, this will also "beat" dash~barrier (you'll be forced to block unless you get lucky with the spacing, be prepared to block high as his jA now hits overhead and he can gatling jBA).

 

Dealing with his pressure seems hard.

I haven't tested it much at all, but Hazama has no reliable way to AA his jB. 

his hop jB mid pressure is not much of a threat, dash forward ~ 5A will often low profile and then punish his hop jB... but will lose to j6D(?) and it's also not that easy to do.

 

His 5B is a pretty strong mid/close range button, Hazamas 3C/d.5B can't really deal with it.

 

His hops/air hops are pretty obnoxious but 623D and 4D/6D can deal with them well.

 

I think he has a corner setup where he can ground drill you for free while still being safe from hountejin.

 

uhm, yeah, I'm a bit at a loss here, I don't think Amane wins the match up but I don't think it's an easy match up to play, at all.

 

This match up feels very spacing/reaction oriented, it can be pretty challenging to keep track of what Amane is doing when you are inside his 5C max range (Will he hop/iad and try to get in? Will he mash 2C/5C? 5D? etc.) and it's not that hard for him to put you into that situation.

 

so, uh, anyone has any tips? I'm likely missing something about his pressure and movement options.

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