SolxBaiken Report post Posted February 4, 2015 Hmmm, most of these initial changes seem relatively reasonable, not quite the dartboard reaction of most early tests, but they've still got plenty of time for nonsencial madness ' 3' Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rasec Report post Posted February 4, 2015 Yay for Ram and Elphelt nerfs. Thank to everyone for translating changes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TagAnarchy Report post Posted February 4, 2015 Ram's lost a lot and gained almost nothing. It's fine to nerf a character but don't take stuff away. The IAD loops were fun and challenging. Makes me feel like they're setting her up to be Guilty Gear's Makoto. A great character to start, but progressively and mercilessly apocalypse'd to irrelevance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
greatfernman Report post Posted February 4, 2015 oh no the S tier, first iteration of a character got nerfed! she's going to be terrible from now on!!!! (she has underboob too! the conspiracy is real) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swordsman09 Report post Posted February 4, 2015 swordsman09, he asked "where", not "what". Oh. Oops. That I have no idea. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abominable K Report post Posted February 4, 2015 The only reason I can fathom they took it out is maybe they didn't want it being misread as RC inputs, but then all they had to do was make RC button press only. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dosu Report post Posted February 4, 2015 Are El and Rams nerfs bad at all? From my understanding of the translation they are pretty top tier still Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king of heart Report post Posted February 4, 2015 I hope they add the extra 6 DLC colors to the Arcade. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bossguy Report post Posted February 4, 2015 Are El and Rams nerfs bad at all? From my understanding of the translation they are pretty top tier still Ram mains seem pretty upset about it. El I feel was minor. Zato got hit hardest IMO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sytha Report post Posted February 4, 2015 Ramlethal's nerfs seem pretty hard. Not really a Ramlethal expert but she basically had her BnB combos ripped away from her. Elphelt's nerfs were just trimming a lot of the really stupid "why does she have that" stuff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Syklone Report post Posted February 4, 2015 Rammy should still be okay even with the nerfs. I have loyalty so no matter what I can't quit this character. The deployment increase is probably the most painful along with recall recovery nerf. Trance is still good thank god. And you really shouldn't be surprised to see her loop getting removed. They usually take out loops. (Hazama J.C loop/Hirentotsu loop/Various SMPs) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Domonkazu Report post Posted February 4, 2015 I'd rather for them to reduce the dmg of iad loops and it's only doing like what 40dmg more than her other combo. It just looks cool. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mumm-Ra Report post Posted February 4, 2015 So does anyone know if this will be one loketest or will there be more afterwards? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SoWL Report post Posted February 4, 2015 I always knew that El's grenade is her single most important special, and they're nerfing it as hard as they can. So yeah, don't be surprised if she drops a tier or two because of that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9:02 PM Report post Posted February 4, 2015 Are El and Rams nerfs bad at all? From my understanding of the translation they are pretty top tier still They changed or nerfed all of her combo parts, and made her oki less versatile. I'd say they're pretty significant. J. D nerfs are a huge hit to her damage both midscreen and corner, Dauro recovery might change some juggles, and j. 6H/2H recovery increase really weaken her oki and combo damage in the corner. No more wall stick SH, j. 2H, c. S, j. 2S, and doing j. 2S or j. 2H for oki will probably not leave you time for an airdash mix up now. They killed the dust loop and didn't leave the alternative high damage corner options even though they gave worse oki. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alkipot Report post Posted February 4, 2015 Elphelt still has amazing normals and shotgun, so she'll be fine. Not having a "hidden missiles"-esque grenade should have been a no-brainer for this no-brainer from the start. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Syklone Report post Posted February 4, 2015 Oki def looks dead though. Maybe they'll change her play style. As of right now...... Things are looking a little grim but I believe in ASW. Besides this is loketest notes right? Things can change Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Angry Guy of DE Report post Posted February 4, 2015 I want to see how the grenade gets knocked around by normals since it could be like a minor roll away or depending on what you hit it with it could go flying away. Ram's j.8D nerf seems harsh. Granted in the corner she could reach close to 200 and have oki without needing a CH I think but this seems to make her damage output go down noticeably. On the plus side being able to use 4K during PK strings can give her more mixups than having a person go, "block low and react to overhead". Zato nerfs...that is some rough puppet treatment. That command grab with Eddie doesn't seem all that useful even if it gets buffed but maybe two command throws can be good. Chipp...did that guy just get buffs mostly? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Renly Report post Posted February 4, 2015 Elphelt, Millia and Faust are still super good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coffeeling Report post Posted February 4, 2015 I always knew that El's grenade is her single most important special, and they're nerfing it as hard as they can. So yeah, don't be surprised if she drops a tier or two because of that. Yeah it's sad to hear people going on like hey they didn't touch shotgun much and I really don't give a damn about it. It's all about the strawberry life. Though she'll probably still be good, depends on how the new nade handles. Zato though got murdered. Poor sod. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zaeris Report post Posted February 4, 2015 Its more of a question is ogawa going the way of +r ie quitting that version because eddie being too weak. I just hope he doesnt go back to playing aquapazza Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fruits_punch95 Report post Posted February 4, 2015 Did someone already translate Ky changes? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SoWL Report post Posted February 4, 2015 Did someone already translate Ky changes?Yeah, all the changes are done, look up your character forum. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
XXXDC Report post Posted February 4, 2015 Ramlethal's nerfs seem pretty hard. Not really a Ramlethal expert but she basically had her BnB combos ripped away from her. No 15second long combos is something good in my book Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
currentlemon Report post Posted February 4, 2015 May was buffed. Millia nerfed but I can still consider her strong. Ram was hit hard. Everyone else I'll read later. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites