rubedo777 Report post Posted February 13, 2015 Ramlethal - 5K: startup reduced from 8f to 6f - 2D: 90% starter proration added - 6P: startup reduced from 10f to 9f - j.8D: damage reduced from 50 to 34; recovery increased from 20f to 24f - j.D: recovery increased from 20f to 24f - j.2D: recovery increased from 20f to 24f - sword setup: hurtbox added; Can now strike swords to prevent them from attacking - PP: hitbox increased vertically - ~4K: more untech time - 214K: gets meter on hit now - 214P: gets meter on hit now - 236K: can only yrc on startup frames now - Calvados:first hit's damage changed from 8 to 50; other hits' damage from reduced 8 to 6 Calvados: hitbox increased downwardstranslated by (and more info in) https://twitter.com/HiagoXYZ - 5P: startup on repeated input nerf reverted - j.8D: untech time reverted - j.2/6S or HS: nerfs reverted - KK: float on hit reverted - 623P: timing leniency for green ver. nerf reverted So ram might not be dead after all... Looks like Leo's buffs got reverted for the most part...I'm fine with that, don't need more Leo mashers online. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boschio Report post Posted February 13, 2015 Has there been any word on changes to Danger Time? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TekkamanArk Report post Posted February 13, 2015 Looks like Leo's buffs got reverted for the most part...I'm fine with that, don't need more Leo mashers online. Leo kinda needed those buffs. Like Kagura, he's a cool concept, but a baaaaad character. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coil Report post Posted February 13, 2015 leo debuffs [2]8S: Opponent floats higher when the first hit hits, combos on tradeStance D (b.D): Damage changed from 60 to 90 [4]6S: Now has infinite range Range increased a little i dont think so, 90 damage is insane, and combo on dp trade too Its a good character, but he cant win alone, he requires a solid gameplan and a high level of adaptability Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ragnarok_F4 Report post Posted February 13, 2015 Ramlethal - sword setup: hurtbox added; Can now strike swords to prevent them from attacking This one looks important. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Syklone Report post Posted February 13, 2015 Basically Rammy went from wheelchair to sprained ankle. She's viable again and I don't think most Rammy players are too upset about the current changes. We already saw what hell looks like... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maho Report post Posted February 13, 2015 i dont think so, 90 damage is insane, and combo on dp trade too Its a good character, but he cant win alone, he requires a solid gameplan and a high level of adaptability You can't have a solid gameplan when your almost all your mixups can be OSd through (which to be honest most people don't seem to realise for now), outside of after a throw knockdown you don't have the time to do any real semi-safe mixup with Leo, in all other situations (like rekkas into 236H whiff for exemple) bt.D is pretty much the only thing that beats low block delay 2P. Actually I would have seen more something like higher float and longer corner wall splat on bt.D instead of the 90 dmg idea, as the latter would lead to stupid damage on light characters, higher float would give better combos on mid and heavy weights so the payoff for a successful counter would be more balanced. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mynus Report post Posted February 13, 2015 You can't have a solid gameplan when your almost all your mixups can be OSd through (which to be honest most people don't seem to realise for now), outside of after a throw knockdown you don't have the time to do any real semi-safe mixup with Leo, in all other situations (like rekkas into 236H whiff for exemple) bt.D is pretty much the only thing that beats low block delay 2P. Actually I would have seen more something like higher float and longer corner wall splat on bt.D instead of the 90 dmg idea, as the latter would lead to stupid damage on light characters, higher float would give better combos on mid and heavy weights so the payoff for a successful counter would be more balanced. Leo can counter OS the defensive players OS so getting out of oki is not free. He is a meta-based character with no guaranteed oki. In neutral he seems normal but once he knocks you down its like he ceases to be a GG character. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rubedo777 Report post Posted February 13, 2015 So that guy didn't tweet a lot of the other Bedman buffs, like 2S->2D. Have those been reverted? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maho Report post Posted February 13, 2015 Leo can counter OS the defensive players OS so getting out of oki is not free. He is a meta-based character with no guaranteed oki. In neutral he seems normal but once he knocks you down its like he ceases to be a GG character. And what would that offensive OS be? I never saw anyone talk about that in the Leo forums and I can't think of one myself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
greatfernman Report post Posted February 13, 2015 which guy, hiago or me? either way if it wasn't tweeted out specifically that a change was reverted it probably is still in place also on leo you can bait the oses (some of them at least), it's not the ideal style of oki, but that's leo. he's just a lot of rps and a lot of damage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rubedo777 Report post Posted February 13, 2015 which guy, hiago or me? either way if it wasn't tweeted out specifically that a change was reverted it probably is still in place also on leo you can bait the oses (some of them at least), it's not the ideal style of oki, but that's leo. he's just a lot of rps and a lot of damage. Yeah but then why did they mention the 6HS nerf again, which was already mentioned before the loketest started. And this time they didn't say it was unthrowable...ugh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StylisH Report post Posted February 13, 2015 Has there been any word on changes to Danger Time? Not yet, but I imagine they are coming Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maho Report post Posted February 13, 2015 also on leo you can bait the oses (some of them at least), it's not the ideal style of oki, but that's leo. he's just a lot of rps and a lot of damage. Well you can bait the delay 2P one with counter like I said, but low block delay neutral YRC pretty much beats everything you can do from stance if not done after a throw knockdown, I think he would just need a bit longer knockdowns overall to set decent stance mixups that couldn't be OSed too easely, but I really doubt we'll get that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TITANIUM BEAST!!! Report post Posted February 13, 2015 I keep seeing people talking about how Leo does so much damage, am I missing something? Outside of the insane damage from his BT super, I just don't see him doing much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
greatfernman Report post Posted February 13, 2015 you could frame trap with K>K and hit them out of YRC startup edit: oh i may have misunderstood you. you mean like block low then yrc during the time you would be in blockstun if leo had done K? then just delay your normal. leo can beat whatever you do, it's just that then you have options to beat what he's doing to beat you. hence rps. it's not nice and even like rps, and in some situations leo has to bait stuff super hard but it's essentially rps (with a lot more than 3 possible options) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maho Report post Posted February 13, 2015 If bt.K gets IBd, the opponent can YRC and block in time for another bt.K, yes you can delay bt.K to beat that OS, but it beats every other option Leo has, it's not really RPS because when you know what to do, you almost never have to worry about bt.H and bt.D, which are the damaging starters in stance, bt.K doesn't lead to much damage outside of very specific situations (corner with 50% meter). Like Zidane said in his overview video, it's a guessing game that doesn't favor Leo at all, once you opponent knows what to do, you have to hard read everytime. I keep seeing people talking about how Leo does so much damage, am I missing something? Outside of the insane damage from his BT super, I just don't see him doing much. You too? Honestly he does more than average midscreen from 5H and CH fS/2S thanks to rekkas, but that's nowhere near things like Ram's CH fS damage, outside of that and the BT super, he does decent to good damage overall, but it doesn't strike me as really high. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
greatfernman Report post Posted February 13, 2015 I specified it isn't even chance rps. I never said its in Leos favor. I'm just saying Leo has answers, its not like he's helpless. You just have to go hard Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mynus Report post Posted February 13, 2015 And what would that offensive OS be? I never saw anyone talk about that in the Leo forums and I can't think of one myself. Hit up Zidane on Twitter (@Zidanel33t). I created some anti-Leo OS tech and he came up with OS's to counter. Some directly focusing against Faust 5D & Backdash. Well you can bait the delay 2P one with counter like I said, but low block delay neutral YRC pretty much beats everything you can do from stance if not done after a throw knockdown, I think he would just need a bit longer knockdowns overall to set decent stance mixups that couldn't be OSed too easely, but I really doubt we'll get that. He actually NEEDS longer KD to set up at least respectable Oki. You can only hope. RPS for a GG char is really weird, and the conditioning level involved is nuts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rubedo777 Report post Posted February 13, 2015 Any reason why these OS' can't be posted on the forums... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mynus Report post Posted February 13, 2015 Not everyone is on DL frequently, especially Josh. And I don't play Leo so... Honestly a lot gets dumped onto Twitter first and transferred to the Forums second. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maho Report post Posted February 13, 2015 I specified it isn't even chance rps. I never said its in Leos favor. I'm just saying Leo has answers, its not like he's helpless. You just have to go hard We do agree on that, I don't have a problem with doing reads for mixups, actually, it's just I think it's a bit too much with Leo. Hit up Zidane on Twitter (@Zidanel33t). I created some anti-Leo OS tech and he came up with OS's to counter. Some directly focusing against Faust 5D & Backdash. Thanks, just done that, for those two things I know you can bt.K then OS YRC when the meter is between 25-49%, and that will give bt.K > bt.P on block or hit, but maybe he has other things. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StylisH Report post Posted February 13, 2015 I keep seeing people talking about how Leo does so much damage, am I missing something? Outside of the insane damage from his BT super, I just don't see him doing much. A lot of people like to mash against him for some reason and end up getting blown up by CH confirms, so that may be the reason. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hollysmoke Report post Posted February 13, 2015 PS3 is $20 and PS4 is $24 on PSN flash sale for GG Xrd at the time of this posting. If you have friends who wanted to buy the game, now's the time to tell them to step on it! I figured this counts as news so I posted it here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oniros Report post Posted February 13, 2015 PS3 is $20 and PS4 is $24 on PSN flash sale for GG Xrd at the time of this posting. If you have friends who wanted to buy the game, now's the time to tell them to step on it! I figured this counts as news so I posted it here. On one hand, awesome that more people will pick it now. But on the other, I have this terrible feeling that the game bombed hard everywhere. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
