TD Report post Posted July 17, 2015 Something is weird with Rachel's. 214b apparently is a new move she has? Where is pumpkin? Also looks like 22a changed somehow, maybe no more beelze lotus.... If there is no pumpkin in this game, it would be the scariest thing to have happened to me ever. Definitely more scary than clowns, water bugs, and that old thing down the block with an ass for a face. Combined. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tokkan Report post Posted July 17, 2015 Whaaaat, Nu lost Spike Chaser? o_o And Lambda still has it... damn they really want to illustrate the fact that "THESE ARE TWO DIFFERENT CHARACTERS, YO". Celica's "Recovery Cap" mechanic is interesting, so at the end of drive combos she can either get a free Armure Sorbet or spend it for a buffed special move? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dawn of Musou Report post Posted July 17, 2015 Jin's 236D seems like it got replaced with a new move since it's highlighted in pink. Wonder what it is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Myoro Report post Posted July 17, 2015 Yup I'm just seeing things I compared it and it's not blue just slightly shade because it's close to the bottom of his list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arc Raizen Report post Posted July 17, 2015 Makoto has a new move "Sirius Jolt" listed under 41236C (probably the new move from the trailer) and, for some bizarre reason, Shooting Star is now 236B and not a drive move. Lunatic Upper and all its follow ups are blue, but I'm pretty sure its just written differently now (they removed "Lunatic Upper" as a move, and instead listed "Infinite Rush" as the 214A~C move and it has a note that its mashable, so functionally its the same and the further follow-ups are blue because they follow the "new" Infinite Rush and not Lunatic Upper). The most interesting thing I see, however, is that Tager lost 360B? Gigantic Tager Driver is now solely listed as 360A and now there's "Wedge Catapult" listed under 360B and it has another 360B follow up called "Impact Drive." I can't seriously believe they removed his 360B (or that 360A is removed and 360B is now 360A). Also, can anyone translate what it says about Active Flow? It seems to have a lot more detail on it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlackYakuzu94 Report post Posted July 17, 2015 Jin's 236D seems like it got replaced with a new move since it's highlighted in pink. Wonder what it is. That move in the trailer that's totally not Ky's J.D, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dawn of Musou Report post Posted July 17, 2015 Knew I was forgetting something lol. I'm liking it a lot already from that short clip of it we got. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mAc Chaos Report post Posted July 17, 2015 re: Hakumen command grab Someone on Twitter took a closer look at it and they say it doesn't actually say it's a command grab. So it has its own input, costs a star, is its own move, not just a new animation, and it involves Hakumen chokeslamming them. It's PROBABLY a command grab, but not necessarily confirmed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Luminos564 Report post Posted July 17, 2015 So Ragna lost Belial Edge and instead the new move we saw in the teaser (called Nightmare Edge if my limited understanding of katakana is correct) is its replacement. I guess TK Belial combos were too strong for ASW's tastes and removed it in favor of a new aerial move. Time will tell if it proves to be useful. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sourenga Report post Posted July 17, 2015 (edited) Here's a full list of notable stuff... Correct me if there are mistakes. NAOTO Drive: Bloodedge (Attacks using blood. Holding the button creates more powerful attacks) Blood Repulser (Faster start-up for charged drive moves. Enhancer moves also powered up) Exceed Accel: Grim of Phantom SPECIALS Banishing Fang (236B) - Banishing Fang: Roar (236B) -- Banishing Fang: Bash (236B) -- Banishign Fang: Raid (236C) Slash Guide (214D) Inferno Crusader [Air OK] (623C/D) -- Overhead Kick (2C during Inferno Crusader) Shift Sway (214A) - Phantom Pain (28A during Shift Sway) Enhancer (Use Specials of Distortions during Dash) DISTORTION Divine Smasher [Air OK] (632146B) Divine Reaper (632146D) HIBIKI Drive: Double Chase (Creates a copy of himself) Overdrive: Schwarz Reis (Accelerates his Drive) Exceed Accel: Sakuougi "Haraebimi" SPECIALS Hizanshou (214C) Hizanshou Kai (214D) Hiyokujin Ten (214A) Hiyokujin Chi (214B) Hiyokujin Utsuro (Press D during Ten or Chi) Zanshoukyaku (236A) - Senba (A during Zanshoukyaku) - Ressou (B during Zanshoukyaku) - Misagokudari (C during Zanshoukyaku) - Magauchi (D during Zanshoukyaku) Souyokusen (623C) Senshijin (j.214A) DISTORTION Ugaimai "Oboro Ootori" (632146C) Kuremikazuchi "Nue" ____________________________________ RAGNA Exceel Accel: Seed of Tartaros Nightmare Edge (j.214C) - Follow-up (214D during Nightmare Edge) * Belial Edge removed JIN Exceel Accel: Kokuujin Ougi: Gekka Hyourou Hishousetsu [Air OK] (236D) * Hishougeki removed NOEL Exceel Accel: "Zero Gun: Sleipnir" Revolver Blast (j.214C) [used to be j.236C] RACHEL Exceel Accel: Gerbera Lute Ivy Blossom [Air OK] (214B) * Impish Gypsophila removed Barrel Lotus [Air OK] (22A) * Beelze Lotus removed TAOKAKA Exceel Accel: Kaka Clan's Hospitality Trick Edge! (2 charge 8 + D [Hold 2 during the move to change it]) TAGER Exceed Accel: Charge Lightning Gigantic Tager Driver (360 + A [Delayable]) Wedge Catapult (360 +B) - Impact Driver (360 +B during Wedge Catapult) * B version Gigantic Tager Driver removed LITCHI Exceed Accel: Crimson Peafowl (Koukujaku) Straight Through (With the staff 41236A/B/C [Chargeable] Use D to cancel) Rensou (214 B/C With the staff) ARAKUNE Exceed Accel: n Factorial Zero Vector [Air OK] (236D) a±b [Air OK] (236D while in Curse state) [used to be 41236A] Denial of P (Autonatically activates if you use use "If P then Q" (214A/B/C) near the opponent) DISTORTION DRIVE: f Equal (236236D while in Curse state) BANG Exceed Accel: Shishigami Ninpo Extreme Art: Yorozuka Ryoran Zehhana Secret Art: Bang's Crushing Blast Technique (Press D after successfully blocking an attack with Guard Point) CARL Exceed Accel: Symphonia of Lamentation * Con Tenerezza (46D) removed HAKUMEN Exceed Accel: Kokuujin Kingi: "Tengai" Enma (623A>A no longer consumes Magatama) Yanagi (214D consumes 1 Magatama) NU 13 Exceed Accel: True Impreza Luminous Slave (214D Launches a projectile by pressing D after the charge) * Spike Chaser removed TSUBAKI Exceed Accel: Shinbatsu Mei wo Iru Ikazuchi Shintsui Chi wo Kudakutsuchi (22 B/D [Can be used as a follow-up after 236A/B/C/D or 214B/D]) * Sanctum Decus/"Shinken:Kaze wo Nagu Tsurugi" removed HAZAMA Exceed Accel: Meija Gekkouga Jagai (236B) Jasetsu (214D or automatically after Jagai) Jameijin (j.214B) * Wind Serpent's Fang/Hirentotsu removed MU 12 Exceed Accel: Tsuchi Ikazuchi Kuni no Kototachi [Air OK] (214D when planting a Steins Gunner) * Divine Wrath/Ame no Habakiri removed MAKOTO Exceed Accel: Cygnus Combination Sirius Jolt (41236C) Infinite Rush (Press C during A Asteroid Vision [button can be mashed]) - Mars Chopper (A during Infinite Rush) - Star Gazer (B during Infinite Rush) - Lander Blow (D during Infinite Rush [Chargeable]) Shooting Star (236B [Can be used after Infinite Rush or Asteroid Vision]) [used to be 236D and was chargeable] * Lunatic Upper removed VALKENHAYN Exceed Accel: Sieg Naegel PLATINUM Exceed Accel: Blast Angel * During loketest, her Drive always starts with the new item "Magical Boomerang" Mami Circular (236 B/C) RELIUS Exceed Accel: Zera Varius Geara Kars (236D) * Geara Act removed IZAYOI Exceed Accel: Banshee Lancer Crusade Seraphim: α [Air OK] (623B [Only ground version chargeable]) Crusade Seraphim: β [Air OK] (236C [Only ground version chargeable]) Crusade Seraphim:γ [Air OK] (236B [Only ground version chargeable]) * Noir Edge removed AMANE Exceed Accel: Hazan Gekisou "Jiyaku Aden Gekitai" Gangan Senpu "Ginga" (214C) BULLET Exceed Accel: Execution Manuever Cross Fire Wheel (360 +B) - Shot Shell: Engage (63214D during Cross Fire Wheel [Requires Heat-Up state]) AZRAEL Exceed Accel: Full Spartan Panzer Strike (623B) Cobra Spike (6C during 236C) [used to be 46C] KAGURA Exceed Accel: Kouryuu "Genma Rettouzan" Ryuurenbu (8 charge 2 +C in midair or during Ryuujinshou/Fafner/Dragon's Ascent) KOKONOE Exceed Accel: Armament No.11 "Fullmetal Heavy Weapon Ver 2.05" Armament No.02 "Broken Bunker Assault Ver 2.21" (236A [Chargeable]) * "Broken Bunker" B version removed Armament No.09 "Solid Wheel Drive Ver3.37" (236B) TERUMI Exceed Accel: Jarakuen Gokusen Tsuishouga (214C) LAMBDA 11 Exceed Accel: Duo Cultus Act Parser Tri (236B) Act Parser Tri: Spada (6A during Act Parser Tri) Act Parser Tri: Blade (6B during Act Parser Tri) Act Parser Tri: Cavalier (236C) CELICA Exceed Accel: Puech Vapeur New System: "Recover Cap" - Recovery Capability is shown in the health bar when a Drive attack connects. Armure Sorbet recovers health depending on "Recover Cap". Also, by consuming Recover Cap you can use the charged version of the Specials. Marteau Flan (214B [Charge removed]) Lance Quiche (214C [Charge removed]) Armure Sorbet (632146A [Charge removed]) EDIT1: All fixed. Thanks, Tokkan! EDIT2: Thanks for the notes, SoWL EDIT3: Added mentions of the moves that have been removed. Edited July 17, 2015 by Sourenga Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Velvien Report post Posted July 17, 2015 Is Izayoi's moveset indicating how many stars she gets from each special? Because if so, it appears that 236B/C give 2 on hit, 623B/623B give 1, and 236A gives none. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tokkan Report post Posted July 17, 2015 Correct me if there are mistakes. RACHEL Exceel Accel: Gerbera Lute TAGER Gigantic Tager Driver (360 + A [Delayable]) ARAKUNE Exceed Accel: n Factorial BULLET - Shot Shell: Engage (63214D during Cross Fire Wheel) AZRAEL Panzer Strike (623B) Here, I think. So basically, Celica has blue health from Persona? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Surf Report post Posted July 17, 2015 They removed Noir Edge from Izayoi and replaced it with an air Crusade that was shown in the trailer. Not really sure what she gets out of being able to do the specials in the air and how they will behave. New combos for Normal Mode I guess. And gave Celica an actual drive. Its kind of hard to get on paper. Would have to see it in practice One thing that's getting me is that they're actually removing and replacing moves. Thought they'd never do that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fame96 Report post Posted July 17, 2015 Am i seeing things, or did they really take away hazama's stance? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tokkan Report post Posted July 17, 2015 Am i seeing things, or did they really take away hazama's stance? Not only does he still have it, he goes into it automatically after one of his new moves. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fame96 Report post Posted July 17, 2015 Not only does he still have it, he goes into it automatically after one of his new moves. Ok thank god that's just my eyes are playing tricks on me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Myoro Report post Posted July 17, 2015 Ok thank god that's just my eyes are playing tricks on me. Is it just me, or would that not be so bad? B follow-up might become an honest DP were that the case. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TAI-X Report post Posted July 17, 2015 One thing that's getting me is that they're actually removing and replacing moves. Thought they'd never do that Not unprecedented for ASW after Xrd, and even Accent Core changed some former specials to Force Breaks (upward Axl Bomber, Grave Digger). Of course, Xrd losing so many moves was the result of a deliberate decision to ignore all non-Ishiwatari games. Team Blue might be getting pressured to switch up the character movesets to differentiate the game from CP more strongly, since most of CP's systems are remaining in place. Nice to see that Bullet has a 360 now, I had wondered why she didn't start with one. I'm sure she'll still be firmly low tier material though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swordsman09 Report post Posted July 17, 2015 I'm guessing Shooting Star isn't a drive move anymore so that there's no possible way of messing up the charge. I like that. It's also interesting that Lunatic Upper is replaced by Infinite Rush instead. That may remove the little gap between follow-ups, but only time will tell. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeromus_X Report post Posted July 17, 2015 Something is weird with Rachel's. 214b apparently is a new move she has? Where is pumpkin? Also looks like 22a changed somehow, maybe no more beelze lotus.... If there is no pumpkin in this game, it would be the scariest thing to have happened to me ever. Definitely more scary than clowns, water bugs, and that old thing down the block with an ass for a face. Combined. Mu seems to have lost Habakiri too...which well, isn't nearly as scary, but certainly less fun. Here's hoping Phantom Soul and Indignation make up for it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-Seo Report post Posted July 17, 2015 >Hakumen has a command grab. Oh boi. Just gonna throw it out there that if it was a command grab, shouldn't this say "Throw Counter" http://i.imgur.com/2BNNB7T.png?1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TAI-X Report post Posted July 17, 2015 Hakumen's new move is probably a hit that links into a special grapple when it connects, that the game doesn't consider a command throw. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SoWL Report post Posted July 17, 2015 Nice to see that Bullet has a 360 now, I had wondered why she didn't start with one. I'm sure she'll still be firmly low tier material though.There's nothing inherently low-tier about Bullet, nothing stops her from being a more well-rounded version of Azrael, and last time I checked, he wasn't that bad. She's not Amane, her gameplan doesn't revolve some unorthodox gimmick that's impossible to balance properly. Just let her get her reward for getting in: that's supposed to be her main weakness, not actually opening people up after you get in.Some notes I see in the movelist:- Naoto's Drives can be dash-canceled while you charge them.- If Naoto lands his Divine Reaper near the opponent, it increases the damage and changes the animation (similar to Hakumen's Shippuu/Elphelt's Judge Better Half?)- Hibiki's clones can get hit, but Hibiki won't receive any damage.- Hibiki's 5D and 2D send the clone forward, while 6D and 3D make Hibiki go forward instead.- His B normals can be followed up with various B attacks (normals? Specials? No idea). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mAc Chaos Report post Posted July 17, 2015 hakus move could be like bullets drive its an attack that just looks like a grab Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oh no, he said Report post Posted July 17, 2015 Aww, sweet, Lambda's 236B got follow ups. Sign me the fuck on for that. But why is cavalier pink? Are they changing how cavalier functions? They had best not be fucking my my stylish as fuck 22D->236C combos, those were dope. Pity that Amane only got his new fan move, but it also seems like quite a few characters are getting now Normals or at least having normal properties changed(if Jin valk and terumi are anything to go by) so I'm hoping that they'll give him a little somethin' somethin in that area. MAKE 6B LAUNCH AGAIN GODDAMMIT Share this post Link to post Share on other sites