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[CF] Blazblue CENTRAL FICTION: News and Gameplay Discussion

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35 minutes ago, Narroo said:

Also, since the plot of these games are major selling points:  I don't think many of us appreciate the unavoidable shoehorning that's going to happen. We're pretty much near the end of the plot, we're building up to the climax, and the writing has always been on thin ice.  Now they're throwing characters out of nowhere into the climax for the sake of having no characters. That's bad writing. It's actually worse because they're all characters from a pre-existing visual novel series that's distinct from BB and so far largely unrelated aside from basic setting design. It doesn't help that the visual novels are controversial.

For the bolded: not exactly. Ogiga and I've been pretty adamant in telling people that Central Fiction only concludes Ragna's story, not the entirety of BlazBlue. If they plan on continuing the franchise (and they most likely do since money is not a thing they're likely to pass up), it makes sense to pull in characters from their spin-offs since they'll probably be wanting to expose people to the mediums those characters spawned from. Not to mention how they can branch out from here afterwards. I prefer to look at it like how Fate/Stay Night currently has all its different "iterations" *not really sure what to call them* (Hollow Ataraxia, Apocrypha, Extella, Grand Order just to name the ones that pop into my head).

On the subject of Mai: welp, it finally happened. And honestly, while her outfit is still so S&S (a shrug and a sigh) to me, I cannot deny that the prospect of BB's first spear user doesn't excite me. Going by my F/SN comparison above, Lancers have always been my favorite class (or really any class that makes use of long, pointy sticks) so Mai gets a thumbs up in my book. Now let's see the gal in motion and we're all good.

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46 minutes ago, Narroo said:

That's bad writing. 

Anyways, I'm massively disappointed. 

The game isn't even out yet and neither is the story mode. Calm down, you might like it. So people got sucked into a bubble, Ragna sets on a quest, on the way he encounters peeps and among them unfamiliar faces but he doesn't care and goes on to fight the final boss. I don't see why adding more characters is an issue, it's ending Ragnas story but they don't seem to be that important (maybe Es is, like, the guardian to Amaterasu but that's fine with me). It wasn't a problem in Continuum Shift, it won't be in this I'm sure.

Ragna may stumble onto, say, Naoto but he'll then go his way and to find out why Naoto is there, players should play the Arcade mode (Which has multiple Acts per character). I think that's ok. Gives the game more replay value and that way focuses more on a certain character instead of trying to flesh them out in the story mode.

Also, I'm new and read this in the guidelines: " 11. Being a giant whiny crybaby or otherwise being insufferable about something stupid will get you banned because frankly, nobody wants to listen to you complain. Likewise goes for being thickheaded or making massive jumps to conclusions about shit."

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13 minutes ago, Luminos564 said:

For the bolded: not exactly. Ogiga and I've been pretty adamant in telling people that Central Fiction only concludes Ragna's story, not the entirety of BlazBlue. If they plan on continuing the franchise (and they most likely do since money is not a thing they're likely to pass up), it makes sense to pull in characters from their spin-offs since they'll probably be wanting to expose people to the mediums those characters spawned from.

I'm aware.  Think Tolken's Middle Earth series.  The Hobbit, The Lord of the Rings, and the other stuff he wrote.  They detail the story of Middle Earth, but they don't pur in new character during their climaxes to set up the next story.  If they want to get ready for the next entry in BB, they'd be better off holding the VS characters until after this story wraps up.  Once a new plot starts up, you can naturally add a ton new characters, while having the old ones hang around, a la third strike. 

The real problem is that everyone in BB has to be central to the story in some way and that they feel the need to add in brand new characters from out of nowhere in each entry. 

 

That said, Mai is disappointing for more reasons than just plot.   don't expect her to be a good addition to the roster; she'll probably be similar to Es in that she's standard melee mid-range character with some slight twist, which is boring.  I liked Blazblue because of CT and CS where all of the characters played uniquely, and I double she'll do anything special.  Aside from that, she has some heavy porn connotations, which is a bit gross.

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1 minute ago, Narroo said:

The real problem is that everyone in BB has to be central to the story in some way and that they feel the need to add in brand new characters from out of nowhere in each entry.

That's what Central Fiction did great, in my opinion. Not a single completely new character.

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1 minute ago, Steve-Fiction said:

That's what Central Fiction did great, in my opinion. Not a single completely new character.

Cross over characters are new characters.  They took in characters from far flung off spin offs that had nothing to do with the original; in some cases the VN's were purposefully ambiguous about their relation to BB, and then chucked them in.

In a certain respect, it's actually worse then completely original characters, because now you have a 9-car pile up of plots that need to come together despite each game being distinct.  So now you have extra baggage and a lack of cohesion. 

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2 minutes ago, Narroo said:

Cross over characters are new characters.  They took in characters from far flung off spin offs that had nothing to do with the original; in some cases the VN's were purposefully ambiguous about their relation to BB, and then chucked them in.

In a certain respect, it's actually worse then completely original characters, because now you have a 9-car pile up of plots that need to come together despite each game being distinct.  So now you have extra baggage and a lack of cohesion. 

Noted your point. While I like it when they do that stuff, I guess it's not for everybody.

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13 minutes ago, Narroo said:

The real problem is that everyone in BB has to be central to the story in some way and that they feel the need to add in brand new characters from out of nowhere in each entry. 

 

 

I never got that impression when playing CT and CS. I liked them because they are fun characters and they flesh out the world in an interesting way. How is Tao important? Bang wasn't that important in CS. Neither was Makoto ,Arakune or Litchi. But I like them because of how they interact with other characters and their own story. I always assumed other people did so too for other characters, since the story mode involved playing each character and not everyone had to save/end the world. The new ones don't have to be central to the plot now, since it centers on Ragna anyway and you can play their Arcades (with multiple Acts) to learn more about them. I really do not see an issue. How is this different from CT or CS? 

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You can't make that complaint about Mai. She's always been relevant to the main universe, and she's made small cameos in the story (Noel has a vision in I think Chimelical Complex, and Mai makes an appearance there, and then there's the name drop in CP's main story, not to mention the whole Remix Heart Gaiden). Variable Heart is connecting her to the current main cast, and she's already interacted with Kagura, Jubei, Hibiki, Jin, Tsubaki, Noel, Makoto, Ragna, Relius, Hazama, and Carl.

tldr; Mai's has been a part of the main universe for a long while now, so she's not just a shoehorned character.

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18 minutes ago, Lame Jokes said:

How do you guys think she will play like? I am not an expert on spear characters.

Lancers are actually pretty difficult to make super creative play-styles for, since they can only really either swing that spear around or thrust it towards their opponents. But ideally, I'd want Mai to look something like this. Though I imagine more the former than the latter would be better in this scenario. Translating this to fighting game-wise, I'd imagine her to have good reach but perhaps rather poor close range tools (potentially lack reversal options). But you never know since we currently have so little info on her.

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I hope alpha 1 or someone else gets announced before the cat for one last troll by mori because this jubei rage every time is priceless and after all these years a classic.

I always hated mai and her spin off but now that she lost her silly taste ability and has a decent looking weapon I think that with some interesting gameplay choices she may as well be an ok character.

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2 minutes ago, Luminos564 said:

Lancers are actually pretty difficult to make super creative play-styles for, since they can only really either swing that spear around or thrust it towards their opponents. But ideally, I'd want may to look something like this. Though I imagine more the former than the latter would be better in this scenario. Translating this to fighting game-wise, I'd imagine her to have good reach but perhaps rather poor close range tools (potentially lack reversal options). But you never know since we currently have so little info on her.

So kind of like a tricked-out Billy Kane from SNK's fighters maybe?

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10 minutes ago, Lame Jokes said:

So kind of like a tricked-out Billy Kane from SNK's fighters maybe?

I suppose that could work yes. Though obviously she'd be flashier than him, this being ASW and having over-the-top characters is a great big part of their games' charm. Time will tell however.

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I'm expecting dominating neutral with great mid and long range pokes and good damage conversions (complete with orie's divine thrust) but quite bad short range normals and no dp. Kind of like how polearms work in real-life :P

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Blah, that outfit. Least Izanami sort of had a reason to switch it up. 

My concern is her overall role in the story. What once was a mostly stand alone story in the BlazBlue world is gonna get arsed into the main plot because everything just HAS to be connected. 

Or maybe she'll be like Tao and just do her own thing, who knows. 

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Blah, that outfit. Least Izanami sort of had a reason to switch it up. 

My concern is her overall role in the story. What once was a mostly stand alone story in the BlazBlue world is gonna get arsed into the main plot because everything just HAS to be connected. 

Or maybe she'll be like Tao and just do her own thing, who knows. 

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...Yeah...this game is looking like an ero dating sim at this point.

 

1 hour ago, VermilionBird said:

You can't make that complaint about Mai. She's always been relevant to the main universe, and she's made small cameos in the story (Noel has a vision in I think Chimelical Complex, and Mai makes an appearance there, and then there's the name drop in CP's main story, not to mention the whole Remix Heart Gaiden). Variable Heart is connecting her to the current main cast, and she's already interacted with Kagura, Jubei, Hibiki, Jin, Tsubaki, Noel, Makoto, Ragna, Relius, Hazama, and Carl.

tldr; Mai's has been a part of the main universe for a long while now, so she's not just a shoehorned character.

Isn't all of the stuff that wasn't CP/E Japan exclusive though? (Not that anyone cares about outside of Japan. lol) For anyone who has only played the games, they'll still have to put in some work to have it not seem off. But, Mai may not end up with that large of a story role anyway.

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At this point, the lack of a playable Jubei is too hilarious to be upsetting. No worries, though; he'll make it in.

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Based on where they put the character select portrait for Es, we presumably still have five empty slots left to be filled. Odds are Mai and a random select will take two of those, with another DLC character rounding out the final console roster and slots #4 and #5 going to the inevitable CF Extend newcomers--one of whom I strongly suspect will be Jubei.

They know what players want and what they're willing to pay for. Don't forget that it took us 2.5 games before Koko was playable.

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Yeah, this doesn't really change the Jubei situation one bit. ASW are just the masters of blue balls, is all. 

When Izanami and Nine were confirmed playable, nearly everyone was reporting on it. Think of the amounts of hype that would generate just by revealing him. 

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Yeah, this doesn't really change the Jubei situation one bit. ASW are just the masters of blue balls, is all. 

When Izanami and Nine were confirmed playable, nearly everyone was reporting on it. Think of the amounts of hype that would generate just by revealing him. 

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Man, I am laughing so hard right now because of the news! My god!

Ok, now I am serious. We kinda expected she would make her way into the game and I am happy, I liked her character in the novel and in that little piece in CPE, I am expecting now her trailer, to see what she can do, because... I don't have a clue how her drive will work out.

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18 minutes ago, White Man said:

At this point, the lack of a playable Jubei is too hilarious to be upsetting. No worries, though; he'll make it in.

 

Based on where they put the character select portrait for Es, we presumably still have five empty slots left to be filled. Odds are Mai and a random select will take two of those, with another DLC character rounding out the final console roster and slots #4 and #5 going to the inevitable CF Extend newcomers--one of whom I strongly suspect will be Jubei.

They know what players want and what they're willing to pay for. Don't forget that it took us 2.5 games before Koko was playable.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I remember reading somewhere here that Mori wanted to take a break after this game which -hopefully- removes the feelsbadman of waiting for BBCFE. Seeing as the sheer volume of this game is actually pretty large I'm more compelled to believe it but this is still ASW so there is that chance.

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I rented BBCPE to play through Remix Heart Gaiden and I barely remember what happened. Hope that Mai's gameplay makes up for her role in the story, which I think was kind of pointless. Also, not a big fan of the outfit either. Inb4 the next DLC character is Cajun and people get salty again.

On 2016-08-10 at 0:23 PM, VermilionBird said:

The story is pretty central to the series, and is the most prevailing factor if Mori's statement is taken into account.

I am disgusted that no one quoted you and said "you could even argue that the fiction is central to the series". SMH Dustloop :P

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