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2 hours ago, geoomega said:

Here's another person sick of people always bitching about JUBEI in every rumor of a character...! I guess you just can't make people happy. Screw people than. ;)

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You know what would make people happy? Actually adding fucking Jubei instead of fanservice waifus like Mai. It's pretty simple to make people happy with this actually. If you have such a popular, highly requested character like Jubei...what are you waiting for? Especially since this is supposed to be the last BB, he better be playable in this game as DLC or something.

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Wasn´t Jubei unpopular in Japan or something?

but oh well, i rather have cute waifus instead of furrys so i wouldn´t mind if Mai gets in the game honestly....at this point i won´t be surprised if she gets announced as playable much sooner than later

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1 hour ago, TekkamanArk said:

You know what would make people happy?

A steady paycheque. The love of a good family. Having a drink with your friends on that long Friday evening...oh, we're talking about BB only? Alrighty then.

1 hour ago, TekkamanArk said:

Actually adding fucking Jubei instead of fanservice waifus like Mai.

This seems rather ill-spirited. Especially so since nothing has been made official about her hypothetical inclusion. I'm not faulting you for disliking fanservice since some people are just not that into it (personally after Mu-12's "armor", Mai's new look comes across as rather tame to me) but geez guy at least wait for confirmation. If you're like this over a theory, I dread to think what kind of meltdown you might have if she was actually announced.

1 hour ago, TekkamanArk said:

It's pretty simple to make people happy with this actually. If you have such a popular, highly requested character like Jubei...what are you waiting for?

By that logic I guess you must think Celica being added totally made the game amazing since she is a "highly popular, requested by the (Japanese) players character". Oh wait no, she was extremely divisive between the East and West because not all of us share the same opinion. Furthermore, ASW might release BB to the world at large but their primary target is their home turf. What we over here in the West think amounts to about nothing to them (unless of course we get really shafted and then speak by withholding our wallets). Unless the Japanese players feel he's important and demand him, I don't think ASW has an incentive to add Jubei.

1 hour ago, TekkamanArk said:

Especially since this is supposed to be the last BB, he better be playable in this game as DLC or something.

We've gone over this before. CF will only conclude Ragna's plot. That's it. Nothing has been said that his story = the end of BlazBlue as a whole. I don't know why this misinformation keeps spreading. Especially on Dustloop where people try to (mostly) adhere to facts as opposed to theories pulled out of one's brain nether-regions.

As for the rest: or what, are you planning a boycott rally somewhere over at EVO to get ASW's attention? Because with this sort of thinking you're just setting yourself up for massive disappointment if the game doesn't deliver.

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On the whole concept of "roster slots," they really don't exist, at least not in the way people tend to complain about them. While yes, it is true that there is a limited amount of development time and budget that determines how many characters can be added to the game, that doesn't necessarily mean that one character "stole another character's spot." That is flawed logic that assumes the character being complained about has a place on a hierarchy that is getting pushed back, with the developers saying "we could put in character X (in this case Jubei) but instead we are choosing character Y (in the current situation the unconfirmed Mai)." In reality what is really happening is the developers say "we are going to put in character Y" with character X not factoring in. And even if character X was actually being considered, it is a false assumption to single out (the hypothetical) Mai as being the one to prevent Jubei from being playable. What makes one specific character the issue when every single character added is taking up a supposed "roster slot" that Jubei could have? You could just as easily argue that Nine or Izanami are stealing Jubei's position. The limit on the number of characters added due to development constraints is real but by pointing to specific characters you are ignoring the reality of the situation and creating an imaginary selection process that is incredibly shallow.

 

6 hours ago, TekkamanArk said:

You know what would make people happy? Actually adding fucking Jubei instead of fanservice waifus like Mai.

The fact that you reduce characters to nothing more than "fanservice waifus" proves you know nothing about those characters. Looking only skin-deep is insulting to the characters and the series itself. Also I love how you think you can speak for everyone. There are plenty of people who don't care whether or not Jubei is in the game, want him in the game but will live without and more and more people who don't want him purely out of spite as a result of the never-ending bitching he causes.

 

5 hours ago, Luminos564 said:

We've gone over this before. CF will only conclude Ragna's plot. That's it. Nothing has been said that his story = the end of BlazBlue as a whole. I don't know why this misinformation keeps spreading. Especially on Dustloop where people try to (mostly) adhere to facts as opposed to theories pulled out of one's brain nether-regions.

You'd be surprised by how easily people can perpetuate misinformation regardless of the location. Don't forget that this is the place where it was widely believed that Es was in the Master Unit despite that never happening in CE and being explicitly disproven in LM, Unomaru was theorized to be Terumi despite them having completely different motivations and the whole "True Noel" fiasco happened in Act 2. You've just gotta keep stamping out the falsities as you come across them.

 

Volt: In regard to CF having too many plot points, I think they are intentionally drawing in all of the spin-offs. While CF is not the end of BlazBlue it is the end of Ragna's story, the conclusion to everything that has happened so far. I see it the same way I see Kingdom Hearts 3 and Avengers: Infinity War. Even if the story continues on, this is still a "grand finale" of sorts that they are pulling out all the stops for, and this includes bringing the entire universe together to have the most large-scale and explosive climax ever. They've already brought in XBlaze and Bloodedge Experience, so Remix/Variable Heart's inclusion is not a stretch (and Mori has proven that he can tie together ridiculous elements from all over the series in insane but genius ways).

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48 minutes ago, Ogiga99 said:

Volt: In regard to CF having too many plot points, I think they are intentionally drawing in all of the spin-offs. While CF is not the end of BlazBlue it is the end of Ragna's story, the conclusion to everything that has happened so far. I see it the same way I see Kingdom Hearts 3 and Avengers: Infinity War. Even if the story continues on, this is still a "grand finale" of sorts that they are pulling out all the stops for, and this includes bringing the entire universe together to have the most large-scale and explosive climax ever. They've already brought in XBlaze and Bloodedge Experience, so Remix/Variable Heart's inclusion is not a stretch (and Mori has proven that he can tie together ridiculous elements from all over the series in insane but genius ways).

I know they're intentionally pulling all of the sidestories to the main canon, and I think this is the right choice not only to finish the plot, but to compensate the lack of an official translation to everything. What I don't understand is how they actually plan to finish Ragna's story for good at the same time they pull out a bunch of plot points.

This is a fighting game, so a protagonist change to follow what CP started without effectively ending Ragna's reason to jump into the fray would be enough. (Kagura's involvement springs to mind, he and Kokonoe were basically deuteragonists for the whole thing, not to mention the whole Six Heroes route.) Instead, we got a single story route focused on Ragna. That's trippy.

 

And regarding the whole "When's Jubei?" thing that started the whole derailment of this thread... 

(I just wrote two paragraphs that could've been directly ported to the Arcade Plot Discussion Thread, so yes, this got way too far.)

It doesn't matter who is complaining that Jubei should've been announced already, who's complaining that Jubei doesn't really should get in or even who's complaining about the people who are complaining. At this point Jubei may or may not be playable in CF and until there is any relevant information that proves either theory it will remain this way.

This discussion derailed the thread and we should stop. Do not mention Jubei until some information about him is released. That's how we kill this subject and stop derailing the thread already.

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So CF story mode would be more longer that CP's but Ragna's route would be pretty long with all of the side stories mix in it.

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So basically we are going to be looking at another hella long localization period, because the CF story is a huge mess? :P

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Just now, Airk said:

So basically we are going to be looking at another hella long localization period, because the CF story is a huge mess? :P

Worse, Strangely Compelling may do the initial localization again... :gonk:

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4 hours ago, GunBlazer said:

Worse, Strangely Compelling may do the initial localization again... :gonk:

Sweet mercy, no. Anyone but them. I'd rather import and stare at kanji I have no working knowledge of than go through them again.

By the way, does anyone know if there's a planned BB event or such at some point in the near future? It seems that since the Famitsu article that showed Es, we've been mostly quiet (Variable Heart and Mai's super...sensual attire, notwithstanding).

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It's quiet... Too quiet. :roboky:

 

Looks like Arc Sys is trying to release bits of information at a steady pace, meaning they could be getting ready to announce the console release date.

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On 09/05/2016 at 5:06 PM, Luminos564 said:

Eh, why not? It's not like there's many protagonists / central characters out there in Japanese medium that utilize a spear or polearm. I like it personally. Hopefully Variable Heart...well, doesn't end up pure fanservice-2-steps-shy-from-porn that Remix Heart was. Even though the chances are on par with an ant punching the sun.

Remix Heart was pretty tame as far as ecchi manga go. No nipples are ever shown and nothing sexual beyond the occasional groping really occurs. It doesn't go beyond what happens in the games themselves, where e.g. Taokaka goes around groping every pair of tits that catches her interest. There's a ton of ecchi manga with more nudity and way heavier sexual stuff out there.

On 09/05/2016 at 6:19 PM, Rotlung said:

I hope that's not Mai's outfit should she get added to CF. Es' was rather classy, but this looks too fan-servicey.

I would have preferred a more modest outfit for Mai, but I don't think that Mai's clothes are out of place for BB. Her outfit looks about as revealing as Makoto's and in fact I think it looks less revealing than Mu's outfit.

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On 09/05/2016 at 5:52 PM, Zedar90 said:

No, she has not been announced as a playable character.
But it's suspected that she could become one in CF's lifetime due to various things (story added into CPEx, the voice actor chosen for her, suddenly having quite an unique weapon so it's no longer similar to Hibiki, sequel manga close to the release of CF's console release)

Adding Mai also fits with the pattern they've shown so far of including a playable character from each spinoff. They added Celica from Phase Shift, Naoto from Bloodedge Experience and Es from XBlaze, so it would make sense to include Mai as a representative of Remix/Variable Heart.

On 11/05/2016 at 6:38 PM, TekkamanArk said:

Some characters that were added are at least important to the story, then there's some (like Bullet) who serve no purpose whatsoever to the main story, and solely exists to flesh Tager out. Mori also insisted Celica would never be in because she's a non-combatant, yet here we are. We also very much do not need both Lambda and Nu at the same time, one or the other suffices. Mode-switch Nu was the perfect solution to the problem.

Gameplay trumps story when it comes to the addition of new characters. Bullet is a prime example of a character that doesn't add anything to the story, but a large chunk of the roster could have been left out with minimal modifications to the overall plot. I'd say the fact that they changed Mai's weapon to a spear from a sword and dagger is another example of that; they modified the character so that she would fit a playstyle that the game creators wanted to include in the game, once again prioritizing gameplay over keeping the character the same as in her last appearance.

As far as Celica goes, Mori never said that he would never include her. What he had said was that Celica has no way of fighting. Throwing Minerva into the mix solves that problem and means that Celica works just fine as a playable character.

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27 minutes ago, Leiopelma said:

Adding Mai also fits with the pattern they've shown so far of including a playable character from each spinoff. They added Celica from Phase Shift, Naoto from Bloodedge Experience and Es from XBlaze, so it would make sense to include Mai as a representative of Remix/Variable Heart.

Gameplay trumps story when it comes to the addition of new characters. Bullet is a prime example of a character that doesn't add anything to the story, but a large chunk of the roster could have been left out with minimal modifications to the overall plot. I'd say the fact that they changed Mai's weapon to a spear from a sword and dagger is another example of that; they modified the character so that she would fit a playstyle that the game creators wanted to include in the game, once again prioritizing gameplay over keeping the character the same as in her last appearance.

As far as Celica goes, Mori never said that he would never include her. What he had said was that Celica has no way of fighting. Throwing Minerva into the mix solves that problem and means that Celica works just fine as a playable character.

And throwing Jubei's armor into the mix fixes the "he's too short" that Mori also said was keeping him from being in.

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Just now, TekkamanArk said:

And throwing Jubei's armor into the mix fixes the "he's too short" that Mori also said was keeping him from being in.

Didn't he say he opposed to the idea? Or that he didn't like it?

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1 minute ago, TekkamanArk said:

And throwing Jubei's armor into the mix fixes the "he's too short" that Mori also said was keeping him from being in.

Adding the armor could solve that but Mori has said that he doesn't want to change Jubei's current look.

On 09/05/2016 at 5:06 PM, Luminos564 said:

Eh, why not? It's not like there's many protagonists / central characters out there in Japanese medium that utilize a spear or polearm. I like it personally. Hopefully Variable Heart...well, doesn't end up pure fanservice-2-steps-shy-from-porn that Remix Heart was. Even though the chances are on par with an ant punching the sun.

Forgot to add that calling Remix Heart pure fanservice is unfair. It did give us additional information on what the NOL characters were like while at the Academy, as well as showing what the NOL is like in peacetime and showing us examples of regular grimoires and Ars Magus. Plus, while the early part is more slice-of-life, it does develop a storyline and has a fair bit of action in its later part. And I thought that Mai had a pretty decent character arc which covered her acclimation to life as a schoolgirl as well as how she managed to overcome the trauma caused by her paranoid and domineering father and learned to open herself to and to trust those around her.

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10 minutes ago, GunBlazer said:

Didn't he say he opposed to the idea? Or that he didn't like it?

Yes, he doesn't like Jubei to suddenly start wearing the armor when he had gone with the hood up until now(interview from 2014, BBCP vita release). And it should also be known that he stated in the same interview that he would like to make Nine playable, but not Jubei until the height problem were to be solved. So it's not like he is denying due to keeping it a secret.

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31 minutes ago, Zedar90 said:

Yes, he doesn't like Jubei to suddenly start wearing the armor when he had gone with the hood up until now(interview from 2014, BBCP vita release). And it should also be known that he stated in the same interview that he would like to make Nine playable, but not Jubei until the height problem were to be solved. So it's not like he is denying due to keeping it a secret.

Maybe they could give him Hihiirokane? In its claw form it's pretty damn massive and towered over Tomonori (at least doubling his height) who is of similar height to Jubei. Jubei does mention going to pick up "that" in Rachel's Act 3 ending and considering Hihiirokane was most likely in the Alucard family's possession after the Dark War, it would explain why he needs her.

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On 5/10/2016 at 4:22 AM, Ogiga99 said:

Regardless, just shut up with the complaints all the damn time and pretending that no one else matters or are just there for fanservice (calling them "anime waifu #whatever" is really shallow, shows you know nothing about the characters, and is quite frankly insulting) when they have so much potential.

*Insert Morpheus picture here* What if I told you that I actually do know about the characters, will still call them whatever I want, and that you severely need to lighten up if you feel the need to be insulted on their behalf...?

(It's extra funny because even some people who are in favor of their inclusion are also calling them waifus.)

As I said before, I'd be fine with putting a moratorium on complaints until we're sure that no more characters will be added to CF.

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The size doesn't matter. Kokonoe is small, so is Carl. They just have to put an hitbox to the katana on his back and that's it.

 

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1 hour ago, Ogiga99 said:

Maybe they could give him Hihiirokane? In its claw form it's pretty damn massive and towered over Tomonori (at least doubling his height) who is of similar height to Jubei. Jubei does mention going to pick up "that" in Rachel's Act 3 ending and considering Hihiirokane was most likely in the Alucard family's possession after the Dark War, it would explain why he needs her.

That could actually work pretty well. Jubei has used it during the Dark War, it would significantly increase his hitbox and ArcSys did show a willingness to change a character's weapon in the case of Mai. On the other hand Jubei also had his armor in the Dark War and that's a no-no. We have no idea whether giving him a giant claw would change his image too much to be acceptable to Mori.

18 minutes ago, Zouf said:

The size doesn't matter. Kokonoe is small, so is Carl. They just have to put an hitbox to the katana on his back and that's it.

Jubei is shorter than either Carl or Platinum. He's 123 cm, while they are 144 and 142 cm respectively. Kokonoe is relatively short at 155 cm, but she is almost the same height as Noel, who's 157 cm. A quick calculation shows that the sword hilt only adds around 14 cm to his height, and it would be removed if he was fighting.

Perhaps the solution would be to give Jubei giant platform shoes.

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51 minutes ago, Zouf said:

The size doesn't matter. Kokonoe is small, so is Carl. They just have to put an hitbox to the katana on his back and that's it.

 

You don't seem to realize just how much smaller Jubei is than everyone else. The story sprites make him look a lot bigger than he really is since they are so zoomed in but in reality he is tiny. For comparison, Rachel and Carl are two of the shortest characters at 4'9" and 4'8.7"respectively and they still need hitbox cheats to make them taller (Rachel carries Nago in umbrella form above her head and Carl has a giant top-hat). In comparison, Jubei is 4'03", at least a foot shorter than the rest of the cast (minus those with hitbox cheats). Unless Jubei had Ookami sticking to his back, the sheath would make absolutely no difference.

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5 hours ago, VermilionBird said:

Can the whole Jubei thing just end please? I remember following this thread for real news, not for wishlists.

I know some are tired of it, but this is definitely a discussion, and it broke out because of Mai's new outfit, which was posted on the Central Fiction website, so it's Central Fiction related. So unless someone opens a "Jubei's playable character status" thread, I'm posting this here.

Edit: as I just learned, it wasn't posted on the Central Fiction site, so it is not Central Fiction News related and I am an idiot. AGAIN.

About Jubei being too small. The sprite of him that already is in the game gives us a good idea. He is way shorter than any of the small characters (Platinum, Carl, Rachel), not counting tricks to enhance their hitboxes (staff, hat, cat). Jubei's current sprite already uses a trick, which is Jubei's tails, that he holds high above his head. But to reach the height of Platinum's staff, which seems to be the lowest upper-hitbox-ceiling there is, there are two heads missing. You can see all that in this picture.

Now, if he suddenly starts wearing his armor, I don't think his helmet would even start to reach above his tails. Maybe I'm not looking at the right pictures, but in Phase Shift 3 as well as in the Calamity Trigger Story Mode, it doesn't look like it makes much of a difference. In the story CG it even looks like his tails are above his helmet.

The best idea I've heard so far is him using an additional weapon, which happened... well, today.

8 hours ago, Ogiga99 said:

Maybe they could give him Hihiirokane? In its claw form it's pretty damn massive and towered over Tomonori (at least doubling his height) who is of similar height to Jubei. Jubei does mention going to pick up "that" in Rachel's Act 3 ending and considering Hihiirokane was most likely in the Alucard family's possession after the Dark War, it would explain why he needs her.

I like it. They even hinted at something like that.

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Agreed with the jubei thing. As we all have no control over who is put into the game, it would be wiser to simply accept that he is low priority and will be added in at a later date, if at all. Understandable tears. So if you want to vent please take it to PM or Twitter or something. Hells, start another topic dedicated to weeping about him not being included.

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