kenmastersX Report post Posted August 27, 2015 Also it seems that f.S>6H works on standing characters as well? Or maybe I'm misremembering.Literally every chance I've seen the combo the opponent is crouching. It's most likely similar to the old f.S>6H combo from the older games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elemenope Report post Posted August 27, 2015 Literally every chance I've seen the combo the opponent is crouching. It's most likely similar to the old f.S>6H combo from the older games.The struggles of late night 360p twitch videos ;.; Though, it's kinda curious that the majority of his normals are -1F compared to +R; it makes me presume that the startup listed on the japanese site is solely startup frames instead of the normal startup+first active frame which would possibly solve the discrepancy with the c.S>2H, unless I have been mistaken my whole life and the frame data for moves on the wiki is just solely startup frames without the first active frame as well.edit: Actually, since f.S>6H only works on crouching and not standing (apparently), the preliminary frame data on the japanese site shows it's only startup frames without first active frame, unless other discrepancies can be found. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pulisaurus Report post Posted August 27, 2015 Now that coin and MF don't share the same motion anymore, I wonder if it's possible to do a MF cancel by pressing MF button and HS at the same time instead of plinking (like Pot can execute his hammerfall -> break)?I guess it could make the cancel a bit faster and easier to do Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
koufdell Report post Posted August 28, 2015 Now that coin and MF don't share the same motion anymore, I wonder if it's possible to do a MF cancel by pressing MF button and HS at the same time instead of plinking (like Pot can execute his hammerfall -> break)?I guess it could make the cancel a bit faster and easier to doyou may be right as i saw satou practiciing dustloop combos and getting burst unstead of AMC jD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xtra_Zero Report post Posted August 28, 2015 Can confirm live from nippon Johnny seems pretty gdlk right now. His normals are beast, good damage, he's hard to approach and hard to escape. You can't really bully him around. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nattak Report post Posted August 28, 2015 This is great. Very much looking forward to get to play jo in revelator.If you compare the enkasu to a zweikasu, how much easier is it to get it on the knockdown hit? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rhannmah Report post Posted August 28, 2015 infinitely easier Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brett_ Report post Posted August 28, 2015 The struggles of late night 360p twitch videos ;.; Though, it's kinda curious that the majority of his normals are -1F compared to +R; it makes me presume that the startup listed on the japanese site is solely startup frames instead of the normal startup+first active frame which would possibly solve the discrepancy with the c.S>2H, unless I have been mistaken my whole life and the frame data for moves on the wiki is just solely startup frames without the first active frame as well.edit: Actually, since f.S>6H only works on crouching and not standing (apparently), the preliminary frame data on the japanese site shows it's only startup frames without first active frame, unless other discrepancies can be found.It being off by 1 frame due to not counting the 1st active frame does make sense, everything basically seems to be off by 1 for the most part. Also the mist stance frame data being not off by 1 also makes sense, since there's no actual active frame to mess it up.The only issue would be 8F f.S: when the loketest occured, it was reported that it was 7F. It could really be either or. I'll ask if ppl can test, it's actually not hard: if its 7F, then f.S > f.S should combo on crouching at MC lvl 1. A few extra misc tidbits:I forgot to mention 2K > 2H which is definitely also a gatling. Satu has been using it very often recently as a nice frame trap. 2K is naturally +2 (well at least I hope it still is), so he's been using a lot of 2K > 2H or 2K, delay 2K/ dash throw / etcAirthrow is sad now, cant really combo off of it as easily, and chucks them a lot closer to you. There were several large jp text resources posted recently regarding Johnny combos, unsure if anyone has posted them here or not. I might translate them later if I have time. One very interesting thing worth noting was the following route:[corner] bnb ending in air lvl 2 high ender for hard KD > land mist YRC > meaty 2H (blocked) > delay air mf lvl 1 mid > coin > c.S > etc. I can't really imagine how that last part works in my head but if so that's preeeeeeetty crazy. Being able to loop from a raw lvl 1 unblockable meterless is :oAlso most people might have noticed those xmenkaicho combos floating around for a while with lvl 3 mid into mist etc. I would just like to point out that one thing thats very great about the use of Treasure Hunt as the ender of the first portion of the loop, is that they cannot down burst - very nice for guaranteeing the setup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
koufdell Report post Posted August 29, 2015 so there's a 10 dan rank johnny that showed up in this vid with a interesting bachus sigh setup anyone knows the player?http://www.twitch.tv/joniosan/v/13202856 at 4:56:00 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_Sey Report post Posted August 29, 2015 so there's a 10 dan rank johnny that showed up in this vid with a interesting bachus sigh setup anyone knows the player?http://www.twitch.tv/joniosan/v/13202856 at 4:56:00Karinchu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
koufdell Report post Posted August 29, 2015 Karinchuthis guy is a beast sol , milia , ramlethal and johnny ? calm down son https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkRMAVPczKk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rhannmah Report post Posted August 30, 2015 Nice 11 win streak by Joniohttp://www.twitch.tv/joniosan/v/13352775?t=4h21m07s Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Killerwatt Report post Posted August 30, 2015 Nice 11 win streak by Joniohttp://www.twitch.tv/joniosan/v/13352775?t=4h21m07sI love how as the match progresses Johnny's white costume color gets slightly dirtier. Nice aesthetic touch! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mooglebane Report post Posted August 30, 2015 That Zwei RC setup Karinchu's using is sick! So much advantage on the time slow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rhannmah Report post Posted August 30, 2015 i don't like it. waste of meter if you ask me, might as well yrc bacchus sigh instead Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mooglebane Report post Posted August 30, 2015 Yeah, you could. I'd say it's more guaranteed with the RC, since I believe it forces the Zweikasu and the slow allows you to space it out to make it burst safe more easily, etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheRandomGamerD Report post Posted September 7, 2015 Anyone have the list of the official move names? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rhannmah Report post Posted September 11, 2015 Secret Mikado Johnny club meetinghttp://www.twitch.tv/joniosan/v/15479394 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4r5 Report post Posted September 11, 2015 Air dash after air Mist Finers? Dammmnnn Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Killerwatt Report post Posted September 13, 2015 Air dash after air Mist Finers? DammmnnnSeriously sexy. How is that possible though? JI? It looked like both jumps were used in the air combos before the air MF. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ghost_Emperor Report post Posted September 28, 2015 rumor he might get the nerf bat due to damage output and being able to cancel his mist. hope this is not true at all Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rhannmah Report post Posted September 30, 2015 the only thing that I could potentially see getting nerfed are meterless unblockable setups Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
qwerty Report post Posted October 5, 2015 You can watch me play my third day of Revelator for the first 24 minutes: http://www.twitch.tv/joniosan/v/19227717Overall I like this version of Johnny a lot. The new inputs really threw me off for the first day but once you get used to it it's not so bad. Mist Finer being 214 actually makes baiting bursts even easier than in the old games. The biggest adjustments for me are identifying the new ranges Johnny can fish for counter hits at and the various different timing adjustments for combos. Basically all of your old throw and Lv2 Mid combos will work, you just have to alter the timing for dash jump/IAD. IAD after coin is now a cancel instead of a link, so just mash it out as fast as you can and you'll probably get it.Zweikasu is easier to get than Enkasu for sure, although I have yet to come up with a reliable way to visually verify when it'll connect midscreen. Sometimes it seems like it'll hit, but will whiff, and other times it looks like they're way too high but you get Zweikasu. I'm sure it'll come with time but right now I just do Zweihander whether or not I think it'll connect. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
qwerty Report post Posted October 5, 2015 i don't like it. waste of meter if you ask me, might as well yrc bacchus sigh insteadSomething to keep in mind is that in order to YRC Bacchus Sigh, the opponent has to be knocked down. If you do it as soon as you land after Zweikasu, the opponent is considered OTG still and you can't YRC it, only PRC. So in a lot of instances it actually makes sense to RC Zweihander instead, since you may otherwise be unable to YRC it with the correct spacing and/or frame advantage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Killerwatt Report post Posted October 5, 2015 Something to keep in mind is that in order to YRC Bacchus Sigh, the opponent has to be knocked down. If you do it as soon as you land after Zweikasu, the opponent is considered OTG still and you can't YRC it, only PRC. So in a lot of instances it actually makes sense to RC Zweihander instead, since you may otherwise be unable to YRC it with the correct spacing and/or frame advantage.Could you explain why you can't YRC if the opponent is in an OTG state? I don't recall that being an issue in SIGN. Also, if you RC Zweihander for the KD, can you still mist safely without having to YRC? Also glad to hear your thoughts on JO in the new game! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites