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So his average damage (particularly in the corner) has been increased and is doing about 3.5k-4k now, his OD damage was only slightly nerfed, but still does pretty fucking high. 

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That actually sounds better than CPEX, if his average damage is better.

Those Renka combos look so hype.

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Yea, his average damage throughout CP was pretty low, more than likely to compensate for the fact that his max damage was absurd, it seems like they reversed it where his average damage is higher, but his max damage is lower. To be honest, I prefer doing more average damage overall than doing piss damage and only getting some good by hoarding my resources.

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On 11/25/2015, 9:24:00, oOFrostByteOo said:

Looks like Terumis' Serpents Cursed sting now drains Hakumens Magatama @1:36 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO7paGHmVyY

It always did that during OD in CP.

 

Also I'm surprised how 6B has a noticeable impact in some combos.  Will be interesting to see how we can incorporate it so we get the bonus poration as early as possible.

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36 minutes ago, BlackYakuzu94 said:

It never stole Hakumen's meter actually in CP, at all.

Are you thinking about the non-OD version?  The OD version steals meter but the regular version doesn't.  I tested it out in training mode and a match and it both steals meter during OD.

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It must've been something from 1.1 then, because I remember there was a point when it didn't steal Hakumen's meter at all.

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Renka can catch people in the air now. I managed to hit jumping opponents with it and then get a full combo.

Anti-air 2C is kinda awkward to hit since it's honestly the first time I've used it for that purpose but it's pretty nice once you get a feel for it.

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2C has always been kind of a hard-read type of Anti-Air, so getting used to it being an official one might be daunting at first.

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Some Hakumen info and combos from Cameila

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s647/sh/9bc1107d-8316-4370-a57a-e535fad7ccbc/ebd300f1b4cdae82196e16222cbc226d

 

 

We really need somebody to translate these evernotes, did anyone ever do the first two posted in this topic?

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New combo video from Nikki, it focuses on OD combos. At 5:23, there are some troll Mugen combos.
 
Notations for the combos:
 
Spoiler

 

All of the following combos are done with 8 magatama and ~10% life OD.
 
1) (Corner) B+C > 623A > 6C(lv2) > 5C > ODc > TK J.214C > 6A > 6B > 5A > 236B > 6C > 632146C > 41236C(1) > EA (5487)
 
2) (Corner) B+C > 623A > 6C(lv2) > 5C > ODc > TK J.214C > 6A > 6B > 5A > 236B > 8jc(?) > AD J.2A > J.C > 5C > 5C > 632146C > 623A > 5C > 3C (5508)
 
3) (Corner) B+C > 623A > 6C(lv2) > 5C > ODc > TK J.214C > 5C > 236B > 7jc > AD J.2A > J.C > 5C > 5C > 632146C > 41236C(1) > EA (5685)
 
4) (Midscreen) 4B+C RC > 5C > ODc > 66 > 236B > 7jc > AD > J.B > J.2A > 5C > CT > 5C > EA (4665)
 
5) (Midscreen) 4B+C RC > 5C > ODc > 66 > 236B > 9jc > J.2C > 5A > 5B > J.B > J.214C > 5C > EA (4810)
 
6) (Midscreen) 4B+C RC > 5C > ODc > 66 > 236B > 7jc > AD > J.B > J.2A > 5C > CT > 5C > 632146C (5141)
 
7) (Midscreen) 4B+C RC > 5C > ODc > 66 > 6A > 6B > 5A > 5B > J.B > J.214C > 5C > 632146C (5687)
 
8) (Back to Corner) 4B+C RC > 5C > ODc > TK J.214C > 6A > 6B > 5A > 5B > J.B > J.214B > AD J.C > 5C > 5C > 632146C (6570)
 
9) (Back to Corner) 4B+C RC > 5C > ODc > TK J.214C > 6A > 6B > 5A > 236B > AD J.2A > J.C > 5C > 5C > 632146C (6603)
 
10) (Midscreen) 41236C(1) > 623A > 5C > ODc > TK J.214C > 5C > EA (5323)
 
11) (Midscreen) 41236C(1) > 623A > 5C > ODc > TK J.214C > 5C > 623AA > CT > 5C > EA (5988)
 
12) (Midscreen) 41236C(1) > 623A > 5C > ODc > TK J.214C > 2B > 214A > IAD J.B > J.2A > 5C > 5C > 632146C (6701)
 
13) (Corner) 41236C(1) > 623A > 6C(lv2) > 5C > ODc > TK J.214C > 6A > 6B > 5A > 236B > 6C > 632146C > 623A > 5C > EA (7889)
 
14) (Corner) 41236C(1) > 623A > 6C(lv2) > 5C > ODc > TK J.214C > 5C > 214A > 6A > 6B > 5A > 236B > 6C > 632146C > 623A > 5C > 3C (8226)

 

 

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On 12/2/2015, 11:50:43, BlackYakuzu94 said:

Some Hakumen info and combos from Cameila

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s647/sh/9bc1107d-8316-4370-a57a-e535fad7ccbc/ebd300f1b4cdae82196e16222cbc226d

 

 

We really need somebody to translate these evernotes, did anyone ever do the first two posted in this topic?

The Q&A

 

"I want to find the optimal routes with the stuff we have now, so I thought I would talk about Renka's this and that. So please note that I'm not saying 'this is the best way'.

 

Q: So... what is the optimal routes for Renka combos?

A: If you want meter gain and damage 6A>6B is the way, if you want damage and corner carry go for low air dash J2C combo, and if you want anti-burst you go for forward jump into holding 4 into falling JB or similar.

 

Q: 6B>2B is hard...

A: Indeed. But that route is not a must at the moment, so feel free to skip. If you are going to learn, practice height adjustment and delays. It feels a little bit harder than the Bunt Loop [?] (J2C>2C pickup) from the original CP. 

The height you should use the 2B to pick up is quite easy to grasp. If 6B hits to low you can still hit with 5A, so if you miss go with that. 

But, for the time being I think the safe J2C 2B is better than risking missing 6A>6B>2B.

 

Q: What do you do at ranges where Renkas second hit whiffs?

A: Confirm and something like Guren or Emma. If you only hit with the first hit, even 5A won't catch. However, if you get a counterhit you should have more time and options. When I know more I will write it down.

 

Q: Are any of these character specific combos?

A: I haven't been able to check all of them yet. If I'm going to make an excuse, I can't find the time to both play other players and researching... Help would be appreciated.

 

Q: I know a better combo, you know?

A: Please teach me (shaking voice)."

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The only thing I can see them fixing is the hilarious Shippu bug, because there is no reason that move needed the amount of the invulnerability it had.

Isuna, also thank you for translating appreciate it. 

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