10stars Report post Posted November 13, 2009 A - hits all characters' crouch motion 2A - able to link to 2A two times also recovers very VERY fast now. 5A - Jump cancel available ON BLOCK. Can no longer link into itself on frame 13 / no spam Hits most crouchers now (Whiffs on crouching Tao) 5B - now combos into 623B (higher attack level on 5B probably) This higher attack level means that instant block > dp will no longer work if bang does 2b after 5b! 2B - 2b > daifunka still works on crouching. 6A - Seems faster JA - Stayed the same JB - Stayed the same 6B - recovery decreased, counter hit links to 2A 2B - Longer untech time, 2b otg > daifunka now works. J4B - old J4C motion J4C - Air to air, very good 5C - Slightly slower. 6C - 6C combo works on ALL Characters, Still only hits standing characters 2C - easier to combo after 2C (decrease in the combo time point), less recovery, neutral on block, less scaling 3C - Slide appears to be faster j.C - back to old CT j.C J2C - old JC motion D - faster, Guard point lasts longer, not able to jump cancel on block 6D - faster, breaks one guard primer, not able to jump cancel on block 2D - faster, not able to jump cancel on block JD - hits lower, faster 623B - longer untechable time, breaks 1 guard primer - Less recovery J623B - longer untechable time 623C - J623C - J236A - poison does 1200 DoT, not able to shoot nails during dash in FuRinKazan J236B - second explosion is faster. J236C - J236D - 214A/B/C/D - 632146B - old 214214B move (umbrella), does not disappear once activated even if Bang takes hit 2363214C - Was given invul again with the actual release of the game. Damage nerfed by about 200. Combo now available after daifunka without the use of RC. Daifunka is also faster than it was previously, which allows things like 2b otg > daifunka to work. 236236D - new DD, Bang AshuraMusouKen, 2300 damage, anti-air move, Blockable. FuRinKaZan - command changed to 632146 AH - Change uknown at the moment, but it has gotten a buff Throw - Wall bounces, follow up unknown at the moment. Air Throw - Throws them to the ground now, can combo after. CA - Other - number of nails did not change - 4 seals combo is slightly harder in 3rd loketest - teleport move after D guard point can activate another teleport - all D moves can not be jump canceled on block, punish guaranteed - Backdash has more invul? - Looks like 6C, j.D, or both prorate hard, 5B 2B 6C j.D 2B 623B 2B 623B 6C j.4C j.623B only does 2.8k Bangs overall changes have made him a much stronger character. Along with everyone elses damage nerfs, Bangs damage appears to have stayed the same. Drive moves being faster may seem great - but Drives not being able to jump cancel on block means that you'll be punished more if you use it outside of a combo. Risk factor has stayed the same since CT - High risk - High reward. These changes are from LIVE gameplay now, and will continue to be updated! WUT's Notes: Couple of interesting things: - 5B, 2B, 2C, 6D, 6239B, d.2B, 6C, (dj.4C), dj.C. Add the dj.4C and you get 2600 damage and no knockdown. If you can do this combo with a 5A starter it'll probably break 2800. Looks to be the basic BnB. - B nail second hit looks like it comes out a little faster. Nice. - New super is fast. And invincible. You can use it in place of guard points in an IB-autoguard scenario. It's safer than using autoguards as well. Of course, much more expensive. - I'm guessing 6C doesn't cancel on block or doesn't actually hit crouchers, because no one is pressuring into it. Seeing alot of 2C, 623B pressure enders for the Primer damage. - 5B's attack level was definitely boosted. It's now semi-safe to end pressure with it and work in a frame trap. - 5B, 2B, 6C, j.D, v 2B, 623B, dashing DD does 4059. That's about as universal as it'll get for punishing. If you add a j.C before 5B the damage is lowered to 3945. Extra proration on j.C isn't cool, man. - 2D, j.D, v 2B, 623B, d.6C, dj.4C, dj.C does 2723. - Dashing DD does 331# damage. Lost 300 damage, which isn't bad at all. - 5C, 2C, 6D, 6239B, d.2B, 6C, dj.4C, dj.C does 2309. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10stars Report post Posted November 13, 2009 Welcome to the Bang CS video Library. You may have seen some great video of CS that you think should be in here! To have your video added to this list, please post it in the CS GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD ONLY. LOKETEST VIDEOS: Note: These are pretty much terrible quality, but this is what we have as of right now. Bang v Lambda http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQYNufpyaHI Bang v Ragna http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77vpNG0HiSU LIVE GAMEPLAY VIDEOS SINCE RELEASE: Shadows bang v Keitas Taokaka http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnxzaIzGTKM Bang v Ragna http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACEFeMsqs0I bang v taokaka http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kX6jQuPY0b8#t=5m24s Shadows bang vs Kaqns hakumen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPY9k7kfpJk Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHD6GDMZKBY Part 2 Shadows bang vs Kaqns Jin http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjAf5ftmYCA Shadows bang vs Kaqns ragna http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u95SYKMeva0 part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo4zV5n5A7Q part 2 Random bang v Random Ragna http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RYkP02MX5I Shadows bang vs R-1s noel and shadows bang vs Himas arakune http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUXIGAJADdA Random bang vs random hazama (Mikado 3v3) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovHe5A5Ybcg Litchi vs bang and Jin vs bang (Mikado 3v3) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRH5yatTsmw Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10stars Report post Posted November 20, 2009 I will allow this thread to be opened for video posting and discussion for now! I expect a flow of videos coming in, anything off topic will be deleted! First post updated with some Bang changes! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zero-jt Report post Posted November 21, 2009 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm8868006 Heres the first video I was able to find of CS Bang off of Nico Nico. The video has Bang vs Ragna,Hakumen vs Tsubaki,Hazama vs Litchi,Jin vs Tager,Jin vs Tager Also heres the Nico Nico redirector from the the other thread: http://mmcafe.com/nico.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Justice7541 Report post Posted November 21, 2009 It might be better if you cleared out all the stuff from the loketests and just updated with actual release stuff once it becomes known. Also j.4C is his new aerial, might want to add that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10stars Report post Posted November 22, 2009 It might be better if you cleared out all the stuff from the loketests and just updated with actual release stuff once it becomes known. Also j.4C is his new aerial, might want to add that. I'm editing it as I see information happening. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reioumu Report post Posted November 23, 2009 5C 263214C is about 3800 damage 5B seems to have more range and possibly more priority. I've seen Kaqn not used to Bang's new 5B and gets CH'd by it a lot from pretty far away when trying to keep bang in the corner. I've been studying the videos a bit. 2A and 5B seem like great pokes now. I'm liking the new 5B Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dacidbro Report post Posted November 23, 2009 I feel like this has to be a typo, it's listed that 236B breaks a primer? Meaning B nail breaks a primer? Would make more sense if it was intended to be 623B. :d Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zeth07 Report post Posted November 23, 2009 Originally posted by 4r5 in the CS Video Thread Bang vs Ragna (Ko-Hatsu Tournament) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RYkP02MX5I Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10stars Report post Posted November 24, 2009 I feel like this has to be a typo, it's listed that 236B breaks a primer? Meaning B nail breaks a primer? Would make more sense if it was intended to be 623B. :d j236b used to break a primer, this was changed. I removed it from the notes. 623b does break a primer though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reioumu Report post Posted November 25, 2009 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm8912084 Minori (Λ11) vs Kaqn (RA) Naru (BA)vs Shadow (BA) Shadow (BA) vs Kaqn (RA) Shadow does at 10:08 punishing Ragna's DP 5B 2C ... 2B 623B Daifunka 4k damage Looks like 4068 or something like that, can't really see. There a several Naru videos out there, but the stuff he does is pretty standard and known in this thread. My comments while talking to 10stars on one of the vids. Rei: Naru is the bang Rei: I'll tell you if I see anything new 10 Stars: kayyyyyy Rei: off of 2C if they don't block low, 2C. d.2A 5B jAB623B v 5A 5B does 1962 Rei: and possible tech trap Rei: he just follows it up with jAB623B again and the combo turned blue Rei: err Rei: follows up with jB623B 10 Stars: you can probably get more out of it with 2c > 623b > d.5b > 2b > 6c > j.6c > j.6c > j.236a 10 Stars: since you can actually combo off of the low wall bounce now Rei: prolly 10 Stars: and daifunka can combo after any 623b wall bounce now 10 Stars: godlike Rei: yet again seeing Ashura on wakeup as AA Rei: lol Rei: wow Rei: Tsubaki's blockstrings Rei: pretty good Rei: jeez Rei: wtf 10 Stars: ? Rei: this bang does 5C ashura Rei: does crappy damage Rei: lol 10 Stars: lol 10 Stars: see hes prolly new Rei: 2419 Rei: well Rei: he knows basic combos n shit Rei: oh Rei: he goes for Yomi Rei: lmao Rei: tries to do it again 10 Stars: lol 10 Stars: ashura is blockable on the ground and in the air right Rei: well Rei: It;s not a true reversal Rei: tsubaki dps Rei: and goes through it and hits bang Rei: so yeah 10 Stars: yeah 10 Stars: cause its only active for like 5-6 frames i think Rei: Bang wins the set Rei: Bang vs Jin now Rei: wow Rei: I saw him do 2A 623C Rei: no dash needed Rei: godlike 10 Stars: you didnt need to dash in CT if your 2a was real deep Rei: true Rei: this one was right after j.4B? 10 Stars: j.4b is old j.4c 10 Stars: it has a vaccuum effect Rei: kk Rei: making sure Rei: yet 10 Stars: so it makes the 2a deep Rei: &yeah Rei: LMAO!!!! Rei: ASHURA ASHURA Rei: jin blocks the first one Rei: bang does another one Rei: and it hits 10 Stars: pwnt Rei: distortion finish Now thinking about it. 5C Ashura is safer since you can't hit confirm 5C Daifunka, but in CS you might be able to do 5C 2C 623B Daifunka. I don't know if that works or not, or what the damage looks like. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10stars Report post Posted November 25, 2009 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm8912084 Minori (Λ11) vs Kaqn (RA) Naru (BA)vs Shadow (BA) Shadow (BA) vs Kaqn (RA) Shadow does at 10:08 punishing Ragna's DP 5B 2C ... 2B 623B Daifunka 4k damage Looks like 4068 or something like that, can't really see. There a several Naru videos out there, but the stuff he does is pretty standard and known in this thread. My comments while talking to 10stars on one of the vids. Now thinking about it. 5C Ashura is safer since you can't hit confirm 5C Daifunka, but in CS you might be able to do 5C 2C 623B Daifunka. I don't know if that works or not, or what the damage looks like. 5c 2c 623b daifunka indeed works. I'm not sure, itll have to be tested - but you MIGHT be able to hit confirm 5c daifunka in CS since they made 5c longer startup, it might be more stun etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dacidbro Report post Posted November 25, 2009 Considering everyone has a harder time getting damage now, if you really could confirm 5C Daifunka that would be pretty savage in the scheme of things.. But less people will just eat 5C now that it takes longer. :/ How bad does 5C 2C 623B Daifunka prorate compared to just the 5C? I'd imagine you lose 500 to 1000? Also, thanks for the clarification about the guard break, shame B nails dont break anymore. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShoMeYaMoves Report post Posted November 25, 2009 5c 2c 623b daifunka indeed works. I'm not sure, itll have to be tested - but you MIGHT be able to hit confirm 5c daifunka in CS since they made 5c longer startup, it might be more stun etc. Why not go for the old 5C>623B>d.2B>623B>daifunka, especially with how much easier it probably is in CS? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10stars Report post Posted November 25, 2009 Why not go for the old 5C>623B>d.2B>623B>daifunka, especially with how much easier it probably is in CS? Very good point, I forgot about it after i made the video all that time ago. Added to the list of shit to check. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reioumu Report post Posted November 25, 2009 Well, my argument for doing 2C is the fact if they block the now-slower 5C, then you can try to go for that low mixup. Maybe even go for 6B for that second high if you think they'll expect the 2C. http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm8912625 <--- definitely a recommended watch of Shadow's Bang. (Youtube version) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqFuDlGGQjs wooooow shadow pulls off a nice RC combo. Doesn't do that much for 100 meter, but looks pretty and would be good to finish someone off with. (in/near the corner)3C 2A 5B jAB623B RC v Daifunka 3947 damage CH 2D 2B 623B Daifunka 4022 damage 6A 2C 623B 2B 623B Daifunka 3218 damage (while enemy is in air) 5B 623B Daifunka 5A 5B jAB - 4587 damage. Shadow adds a j623C at the end and the enemy missed the tech. did 7072 damage O_O. However, the combo does only go blue during the j.623C so the rest of it was a legit combo. (while enemy is in air) j.4B (they cross up over you) 5A jAB623B v 5A 5B jAB623B - 2676 damage Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaiAndOh Report post Posted November 25, 2009 Looking at videos, Ashura and 3c both take off a guard primer. Another vid here, this Bang does some other things I haven't seen before: http://gamenyarth.blog67.fc2.com/blog-entry-4926.html?id=sm8916695 3 seal no nails or heat combo, 6b into ashura, and some more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reioumu Report post Posted November 25, 2009 ... AIRGRAB TO DAIFUNKA! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yvtbTdn6X0 Watch this video. Bang can do a lot of neat stuff even combo into 5D in the middle of a combo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dacidbro Report post Posted November 25, 2009 Considering 2B's longer hitstun, there's a vague possibility that 2D jD 2B 5D j623B 2b 5D would work.. It all depends on how fast 5D is now and the untech times on 2B, but if you can get the first 2B 5D I think the second would be guaranteed. Also; that airgrab daifunka was almost 5K, if I saw correctly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LAMG Report post Posted November 25, 2009 Looking at videos, Ashura and 3c both take off a guard primer. Another vid here, this Bang does some other things I haven't seen before: http://gamenyarth.blog67.fc2.com/blog-entry-4926.html?id=sm8916695 3 seal no nails or heat combo, 6b into ashura, and some more. if 6d is not jc anymore then, how the hell did he linked 623b at 13:46? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dacidbro Report post Posted November 25, 2009 Only on block, LAMG. ^_^ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LAMG Report post Posted November 25, 2009 oh, ok then Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
faultydefense Report post Posted November 26, 2009 oh yeah i forgot to mention 6B blocked is almost safe, its fairly hard to punish without IB, and im pretty sure its comboable without counter hit edit, actually im not sure about that last part now that i think about it, i tend to play people that can't keep their fingers off the buttons Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaiAndOh Report post Posted November 26, 2009 ... AIRGRAB TO DAIFUNKA! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yvtbTdn6X0 Watch this video. Bang can do a lot of neat stuff even combo into 5D in the middle of a combo. Looks like the same Bang in more matches as I posted. Awesome stuff with the airgrab! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dacidbro Report post Posted November 26, 2009 If someone could test air grab to steel rain.. o: Then again, the chances of air grab to steel rain being worth using even if it DID work is low, since air grab daifunka is 5k and doesn't use your nails. On second look, I think it was 4.4k. I wish the numbers didn't get so blurry through the ending animations. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites