Heavy_Mental Report post Posted August 8, 2010 You need to learn your combos. Don't bother going online unless you have. You can hit Ragna out of Carnage Scissors in between the hits. 720 if you have the meter, otherwise, take your pick between a free 2C FC combo or 360B. I say go with the latter until you actually learn the combos. Followup hit of Hell's Fang can be punished with 5D on IB, not sure about normal block. 5C should work though. Other general advice - go watch match vids. They should give you an idea of how to approach Tager play. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
natearistata Report post Posted August 8, 2010 Yeah, I'm subscribed to Arcade Infinity's channel, so I've gone back and I'm watching all the vids they have of Tager play. Once I finish that, I'll hit up BBVlog next. Thanks for the advice! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A.X.I.S. Report post Posted August 8, 2010 IB. stop mashing. L2tick360. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Henaki Report post Posted August 8, 2010 anyone here have a capture card and a bit of free time? if so pm me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mAc Chaos Report post Posted August 8, 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8IcG7F8I9U Just recorded this for Astaroth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heavy_Mental Report post Posted August 8, 2010 You'd expect good footsies in a Tager vs. Hakumen matchup but apparently not. Both players spent a lot of time walking backwards when they should've been walking forwards. Tager, to get in, and Hakumen, to keep Tager out and to keep him honest. Astaroth wasted a lot of Spark Volts there. Against a patient Hakumen, Tager might have to spend a Spark Volt on block for an oppurtunity to get in. Astaroth just seems like he was foolishly hoping for Hakumen's guard to slip. B-Sledge and 2D are retarded unsafe against Hakumen and can be countered on reaction for decent damage. Best part of this match would have to be Astaroth's Gadget Flinger mixups. Good stuff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A.X.I.S. Report post Posted August 8, 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8IcG7F8I9U Just recorded this for Astaroth. that haku-men was shit, he wasn't covering the air to make you respect him, he did a easily baited hotaru after gadget, and he didn't know his damage options. now onto you astaroth, you had haku magnetized and you didn't try to get in, you wasted good mag trying to play footsies at full screen where haku wants you. you didn't even use colider or 2C when he air dashed to you like a retard. I am fucking disappointed man. last note when haku is magnetized 4D will beat 4C if your close enough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mAc Chaos Report post Posted August 8, 2010 I would have tried to zone the Tager more if it was me. I thought his use of Hotaru was good though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A.X.I.S. Report post Posted August 8, 2010 if he just stepped back he would have not touched hotaru. hell RC walk forward 2B>5B could have been a great reset to beat it. why the hell used gadget on a 2 star+ hakumen is the question here. -_- it just feels like he could have did so many things better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mundus Report post Posted August 8, 2010 ^ Gadget on a 2 star Hakumen is not that stupid, just barrier jump to bait that shit out, if he uses it free 720 or 360. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maho Report post Posted August 8, 2010 You know that hotaru is jcable? You can't punish it if it's blocked, the only thing that can beat that after gadget is to 5A him out of jump startup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mAc Chaos Report post Posted August 8, 2010 ^He can counter after Hotaru. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Astaroth136 Report post Posted August 8, 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8IcG7F8I9U Just recorded this for Astaroth. Yeah, thanks for the upload. Some notes on my thought process in the video: @ 0:39 - Forgot about this move. Honestly, this is the one of the first Haku's I had fought. The first week was just Ragna, Jin, and Tager. @ 0:49 - I just wanted easy magnetism here. @ 0:51 - Here, I was kind of testing the Haku's skills. I was wanting to know if he would either counter it or IB. Plus, it got me close. @ 0:56 - I was actually baiting the counter, BUT I BOTCHED A 360 MOTION?!?! Very ugly... @ 1:01 - Again, testing the waters. He actually did counter it though, so I tried not to do it any more (even though it slipped in there one more time IIRC). @ 1:04 - Botched collider. C didn't act like it was pressed.... @ 1:12 - Re-magnetizing again. @ 1:15 - LOLWTF 720. @ 1:23 - Expected a backwards tech, then bursted because I didn't want to eat a FC combo, but he messed up anyway... @ 1:45 - Didn't succeed earlier, but figured it would work here. The rest is self-explanatory. that haku-men was shit, he wasn't covering the air to make you respect him, he did a easily baited hotaru after gadget, and he didn't know his damage options. now onto you astaroth, you had haku magnetized and you didn't try to get in, you wasted good mag trying to play footsies at full screen where haku wants you. you didn't even use colider or 2C when he air dashed to you like a retard. I am fucking disappointed man. last note when haku is magnetized 4D will beat 4C if your close enough. First, 4D beats 4C? News to me. Need to check out the matchup thread more. And yeah, I wasn't anti-airing him like I should've. I need to work on getting in against him too. Being poked by a 10-foot pole makes me leery. Thanks for the critiques guys. I'll definitely take them and use them in the future. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leo7 Report post Posted August 8, 2010 First, 4D beats 4C? News to me. Need to check out the matchup thread more. 4D, 360A (at a distance), and a well spaced pre-emptive j.D or 5C all beat Haku's 4C. Haku's 4C is overrated, it's getting past j.C that's the problem. Edit: Also IMO, the IADs that Haku did seemed to be spaced in a manner where anti-air 2C might not have worked (but Collider probably would have worked). Also, when Haku has the stars, they'll almost always go for j.2C > Tsubaki to try to catch you blocking low. I saw you IB'd the j.2C and did a 360A, which whiffed through the animation of Tsubaki lol, but you can stuff the Tsubaki on start-up with Tager's 5A actually, and proceed to do CH 5A > 5C > Collider. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Henaki Report post Posted August 9, 2010 you CAN beat 4c but if you are seriously beating it clean consistently with those tools that hakumen sucks ass. 4c beats tager because the options he has to beat it are higher risk than hakumen has to take. thankfully 4c doesnt lead to anything but another 4c on counter hit so its just a hinderance instead of an actual matchup issue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leo7 Report post Posted August 9, 2010 Not saying 4C isn't a good tool against Tager, but I'm just saying you can't be too predictable with it. All the things that I mentioned to beat 4C basically require you to be psychic, so yes, there's definitely a risk. I'm just saying in comparison to j.C, I can't really stuff j.C if I know it's coming (unless the Haku-Men player really fucks up the spacing). Edit: Though I guess the "predictable" thing tends to indicate a bad player. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Astaroth136 Report post Posted August 9, 2010 So, where are all of the SBO Tager vids? I saw one the other day, but now I can't find it..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iOryan Report post Posted August 9, 2010 So, where are all of the SBO Tager vids? I saw one the other day, but now I can't find it..... Well, Here's GMMA_Jan (TG) with Hsien Chang (RG) at the SBO Quals in Arcade UFO in Austin. Winner's Bracket Winner's Finals Grand Finals here are the american qualifiers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Astaroth136 Report post Posted August 9, 2010 Ah, thank you. Why didn't Jan 720 in that very last round? He had sooooooo many opportunities. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leo7 Report post Posted August 9, 2010 Vids of the C-4 Block Final for SBO (the one that SUB's Tager won): http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm11602039 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm11602168 Also contains vids of Akira's Tager (who's also very good). There's also a bunch of vids of the preliminary qualifier (needed to enter the Block Final), which Akira's team won: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrhXOGiFnhA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2Z8eGxSUU4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn0Xr30HfuQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rIzsRYY4lM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN8ErGSU08U Akira uses a black color. SUB uses a red color. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iOryan Report post Posted August 10, 2010 [iOryan edit] editing down my post... Basically I buffered astral after gadget finger and it gave me another gadget finger... I know you can do GF RC GF RC GF (gimmicklulz), but this was without a RC and it also resets the combo. Hmm. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asqvrpgPkz4&fmt=22 homo-genius tech trap? [Mike Z edit] HOLY SHNIKES you have no idea what you have just done for Tager! [link] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
natearistata Report post Posted August 10, 2010 On the subject of unexpectedness: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9vcb2-90lE Can this be done consistently, or did I just get lucky? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mAc Chaos Report post Posted August 10, 2010 You can do that if you time it right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iOryan Report post Posted August 10, 2010 On the subject of unexpectedness: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9vcb2-90lE Can this be done consistently, or did I just get lucky? I find 2C works a lot better in that situation. Reaction time isn't as short as it would be with AC and it gives you a fatal counter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NumeroGaijin Report post Posted August 10, 2010 [iOryan edit] editing down my post... Basically I buffered astral after gadget finger and it gave me another gadget finger... I know you can do GF RC GF RC GF (gimmicklulz), but this was without a RC and it also resets the combo. Hmm. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asqvrpgPkz4&fmt=22 homo-genius tech trap? [Mike Z edit] HOLY SHNIKES you have no idea what you have just done for Tager! [link] So my eyes didn't deceive me. I only did it once while playing my friend a ragna player. But I thought it was a glitch because I wasn't able to replicate it after a number of tries. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites