[CSE] Rachel International Videos + Critiques

[TD]

heres two vids of me losing pretty badly, lol

me vs litchi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-E-k0FcrAI

mu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ihn4ROZ734

l kept falling into the most obvious traps, and overall extremely risky (with a low success rate lol). l definitely should have avoided random damage too: right now things like neutral tech close to the ground - 5b are destroying me . definitely gonna need to improve from this -_-

so yeah critique is appreciated and ty to akira for uploading.

[Alex073088]

heres two vids of me losing pretty badly, lol

me vs litchi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-E-k0FcrAI

mu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ihn4ROZ734

l kept falling into the most obvious traps, and overall extremely risky (with a low success rate lol). l definitely should have avoided random damage too: right now things like neutral tech close to the ground - 5b are destroying me . definitely gonna need to improve from this -_-

so yeah critique is appreciated and ty to akira for uploading.

For the litchi match it would be better to kinda consider what the opponent may do first before making your move. You got hit several times when summons frog when u didnt have clearance.You also got hit alot by 6b on counter. And at 2:29 it was obvious the litchi player was going to attempt the air dash cross-up because the frog was approaching him from behind.

In the those situations predicting your opponents next move and setting up to punish them well before they are about to predictably make them will help gain the advantage. Not just in blazblue but in every fighting game, espicially if you dont have the advantage and the opponent is good at preventing you from gaining it.

Other note, its better to do j.b>j.c>j.2c spike on litchi rather then start with j.c because of her very skinny verticle hitbox.

[Alex073088]

http://www.justin.tv/peacefuljay/b/294362547 part 1

http://www.justin.tv/peacefuljay/b/294366985 part 2

I had won 18 straight games Against noels, carls, tager, hazama, ragna, platinum.I I did finally lost to a lamada.

[[SpA]Relentless]

So many pink throws... then again it's online

Some of the matches looked like they were pretty laggy.

[cash money]

the second the rachel finally loses theyre like "KICK HIM!!" soo salty lol

[Alex073088]

the second the rachel finally loses theyre like "KICK HIM!!" soo salty lol

lol i know right

Relentless;1132979']So many pink throws... then again it's online

Some of the matches looked like they were pretty laggy.

The matches versus ike hazama were laggy as fuck so was the lamada one. I swear i was breaking these purple throws i swear it but online says otherwise =/

[Alex073088]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGFE11bum8E&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaBZ_cFtTeA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NVE82GvEnI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWhrZWTz-co&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur2d921teg0&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avGC-jUjev0&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

Since the previous stream is no longer on jay's account.

[Beening]

I am not sure how much of this is stuff everyone knows but I think these videos show of some nice, effective Rachel combos. I have learned some more since making these but this was my best at the time and I don't have a lot of time to make another video but please tell me what you think.

This one is a multi-character vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8ilxOlYO-4

So is this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtC0HPu3hbQ

This one is just Rachel and the first one I made after I changeed some stuff with Polka's help.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=iv&src_vid=aAZLSdt04Zc&v=ArXXZf2M_wc&annotation_id=annotation_984655

and this is the original first Rachel only video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAZLSdt04Zc

[KoopaDoopa]

If anyone wants to, I'd like some critique on my Rachel. Hopefully my play isn't too terrible >_>; I feel like I play way to unsafely for my own good. lol

VS jason900 (RG)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wLFIYsIHbk&feature=related Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mts-DmyXbec&feature=related Part 2 (Did a lot better this time around)

VS Koopa_Klawz (TG) All me losing. :3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAFQkGEFAqQ&feature=related Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAFQkGEFAqQ&feature=related Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcNn8z91GZU&feature=related Part 3

[kotokot]

too much lobelia spam, bad neutral game, bad hitconfirm, 5CC 214A 236A script vs tager, etc etc =(

though opponents are same

[gli]

vs. jason900 (Ragna)

Ah yeah. I've had trouble against these types of Ragna players before. You are letting him get in for free. He is simply running in and you are letting him get away with that. Why are you using 6A when he hasn't shown you that he wants to jump in? 236A / 5B / 6B are all good ways to discourage his pursuit. Check his position as you fire Lobelia shots. 236B and 236C can be run under after a certain point.

Make sure to always keep an eye on how much wind you have so you can hitconfirm with an appropriate combo. Most of the time you had 2 wind in stock but you opted for 3C instead.

vs. Koopa_Klawz (Tager)

You are better off starting off the match by backing off asap. If you let him in close you risk getting magnetized. Once you get him in corner you will more than likely get a sizeable lifelead. Get him knocked down and then run away. There is no reason you should have to guess on his wake-up on whether or not he will MTW/720/sledge/360 (you already have the lifelead). Just run away and make him come to you. In this case he will make more mistakes trying to chase you than trying to guess once on wake-up. This is exactly how you lost in the third replay. You took unnecessary risks which resulted in eating a 720.

Quit autopiloting 5B>2B>5B>6B>236A. He is near corner, just end with 3C > frog when you have no wind.

[[SpA]Relentless]

Against Tager abuse instant overhead j.A more. Especially on wakeup, there's virtually nothing he can do against it. I'm not entirely sure but I think even if he does MTW you will be able to recover from j.A and block in time.

When you do 3C frog on him, you can't meaty him cause it's not actually meaty (you got 360A'ed once because of this). This is one of those situations where just doing 2D j.A will let you keep your momentum without having to risk anything.

[KoopaDoopa]

Thanks for your input guys! I really appreciate all of it.

too much lobelia spam, bad neutral game, bad hitconfirm, 5CC 214A 236A script vs tager, etc etc =(

though opponents are same

Yeah... My autopilot corner combo. XD Thanks though. Any tips to improve neutral game and hitconfirming?

vs. jason900 (Ragna)

Ah yeah. I've had trouble against these types of Ragna players before. You are letting him get in for free. He is simply running in and you are letting him get away with that. Why are you using 6A when he hasn't shown you that he wants to jump in? 236A / 5B / 6B are all good ways to discourage his pursuit. Check his position as you fire Lobelia shots. 236B and 236C can be run under after a certain point.

I was always too scared to use a lobelia close range due to eating 5B/5C/stupid stuff when I tried. I need to work on positioning and neutral game more because I don't know how to deal with that kind of Ragna (obviously with the 6A spam.) Thanks gli. :3

As for the Tager matchup, I've always played it unsafely close-range. In all honesty CS1 made me hate zoning. But better safe than sorry.

Relentless;1158820']Against Tager abuse instant overhead j.A more. Especially on wakeup, there's virtually nothing he can do against it. I'm not entirely sure but I think even if he does MTW you will be able to recover from j.A and block in time.

When you do 3C frog on him, you can't meaty him cause it's not actually meaty (you got 360A'ed once because of this). This is one of those situations where just doing 2D j.A will let you keep your momentum without having to risk anything.

Thanks SpA for the tip; definitely need to abuse Rachel's broken aspects more. XD So with at least one wind, you have a 100% safe mixup and pressure starter. Hmmm...

[kotokot]

Yeah... My autopilot corner combo. XD Thanks though. Any tips to improve neutral game and hitconfirming?

learn normals range, lobelias+wind usage, approaching with pumpkin, for hitconfirm play more and go into training with random blocking dummy. Best normal you must to learn use are 5B, 6A(AA) and 2A, learn using few frame dashes for increasing normals distance, learn 236A+6D/8D/9D, 236B+2D/6D/7D/8D, 236C+1D/2D/3D/8D, 214C preventing dash/airdash. Try winded movement(iad 3D, 66D etc)

vs most chars: when you at fullscreen distance use 236A+9D, 236B, 236C+3D, can summon pumpkin, halfscreen - 236A+6D/8D/9D, 236B+2D/3D/8D. 1/3-closer - (66)5B, (66)2A, 236A(6D/8D, max 236A range is best, closer is dangerous!). 5B have no vulnerable box extension, good placed 5B beats stuff where 5A/2A/6B can trade or be beated.

about 214A 236A at end combo - try to use different options afted frog, j.A/j.B 2D, 2B/5B, 4B

[kirbster]

After over a month, my matches against XDest have been uploaded lol. For anyone who doesn't mind watching CS2 matches in this new era :

Winner's finals :

Grand finals :

Even though I ended up winning, I still need to learn a lot about this matchup so critique away.

[[SpA]Relentless]

Don't know what you're talking about. From the looks of it you played the matchup correctly. Some combos were dropped and some decision weren't optimal, but it could've been worse, considering it were the finals of a tournament. Good stuff.

Generally I think it's a bit hard to critique on videos where you win, it just doesn't seem right. If you won, chances are you didn't do a lot wrong.

Also, pad without macros? Kudos to you, we got an arcadestick player over here that assigns a button to burst cause apparently he can't press ABCD at once

[gli]

Haha. Sneaky George. Yeah he's real shady

Looks like standard tournament play. Shaky starts from having to figure out each other in the early rounds. In the last few matches you were really patient not early bursting from combos which I think really helps in the match-up. Baiting Hexa-Edge was also good I always keep an eye out for when she has meter.

Few mistakes but hey, you won. Whatever the mistakes may be, they were not enough to keep you from winning. I only really saw things like dropped combos (who doesn't do this lol), and unsafe lobelia shots in air (Tao can snipe you for this).

[tofurr]

You are beyond gdlk, Kirbster. :3

[TD]

kirbster, you were letting him ca/burst aloooot without baiting them, at some point after the first match at most you should note where he likes to burst/ca. since tao has lowest health in the game sides carl, this is pretty important for ending the match quickly. not to mention he was bursting/ca during the same points almost every single round.

you also over extended often with pumpkin and were without wind or advantage. it was a rather hit-or-miss strat. if he's adapting to your pumpkin approach you can always just summon one, leave it nearby and start chucking 236b/c lobelias until he tries an approach or you get in a good position with enough wind.

one last crit. try to keep your blockstrings fresh. see where he likes to poke out(usually after 3c) and punish it (3[c], j.2c ch). if he starts jumping out, 5b works to stop jumping. once you condition him start using 4b and j.2d empty jump.

other than that you did really good. your neutral game was on point.

[Cloud_1one]

I just did the same in another thread but.. I created a youtube account to put some of my online matches, sorry for the low quality, I just have my cellphone.

I'm Kain_Dizengarth

vs Valkenhayn

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECMA8uFjKJc

vs Ragna

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hq20wc7IUKM

well, I've been trying to improve, but i dont have people to play with, so only play Online when i can. maybe I'll put some more vids to get advice.

[[SpA]Relentless]

Dat Ragna There was not a single time in the entire video where he held back. If you confirmed your combos better, you would not have lost a round.

Anyway serious advice, first combo vs Ragna was blabla > frog > 5B > 236A > j.C2D > dj.2C(Lv2), this is really not worth it in this situation. Do the standard corner bnb that ends with oki and regens all your wind instead.

It wasn't even legit, you probably dropped it because of the proration.

Use 6A more, it works wonders against Ragnas I-jump-back-wait-until-I-am-1m-above-the-ground-then-airdash-forward bullshit. Discourage him from jumping in on you, then if he tries to approach from the ground use 236A (with wind) or 6B to stop him in his tracks. 236AD will put him almost fullscreen, 236A9D will tag him fullscreen and 236A8D creates a wall that usually covers both ground and IAD approaches well and gives you enough time to summon a pumpkin.

Always try to have either a frog or pumpkin out (preferably both). Rachel's zoning strategies really shine against Ragna, especially if the Ragna player never blocks

I don't have a lot of Valkenhayn experience so I can't give you tips here.

[Cloud_1one]

I have some problems at times cause of the delay in online matches, that combo normally works its blabla > frog > 5B > 236 > j.C2D > dj.2C(Lv2), land, 2a(miss), 5cc,dash 3c, frog, oki, but , you know, is online, but if i see its not safe to do(mainly cause of lag or hitbox), ill better do the standard as you said.

Yeah you're right about 6a, i have some problems against aggressive players,I'll try to use it more, and hit confirm a 4k combo after that :3. thx for the tips

Edit: I tested the combo and works but is a bit harder against Ragna, and also check that i could have done a longer combo

blabla > frog > 5B > 236 > j.C2D > dj.2C(Lv2), land, 2a(miss), 5cc,dash 3c, Sword Iris, 3c frog but the wind recovery isnt that good, so I have to think about it

[Herbal Grey]

Hey, so first post on DL.

pretty casual player here, but i know basically only two good rachels (harakiri tiger and doopa) so i don't get too much help on how to improve other than watching vids online.

here's a couple matches people have uploaded of my play (people only upload when they beat you lol). the random moves you see are ... well, decisions made by the internet (you'll see a couple interesting choices), but thanks in advance for watching and critiquing if you would please:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wllGzOJ7sT4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmRuN9DjuqM

maybe i'll get some more matches up myself where i'm having less trouble with lag.

[kirbster]

Thanks for the feedback everyone. I played the matchup as best as I could, but the first time I had really fought a Tao was the day before, and it was actually me getting bodied by XDest himself lol. TD, I agree with most of what you said. I had trouble baiting the CA and bursts, because I always thought "no way he'll do it here" but I didn't adapt fast enough. I usually have quite varied blockstrings, but it was so hard to pin Tao down, so whenever I got a chance at pressure, my mental ressources were a bit drained and I pretty much autopiloted it >.<

@Herbal Grey :

For a self proclaimed casual player I think you're really good lol. I could feel the lag in those matches but we can really see that you have a good gamesense. Nice spacing and good hitconfirm... basically you know Rachel well, just gotta work on decision making I guess.

If I had to point out a few things, it would be that you don't use 6a nearly enough, especially against Ragna. That move is gdlk, use that instead of cat chair for anti-aircraft. Work on those hitconfirms a bit too. I was a little sad at the first match, you had him in the corner xD but he's a really good Jin from what I know.

[tofurr]

brkr: I remember you! You were able to astroll me the one time we played Rachel mirrors, lol GG. I wish I wasn't lagging in that room with you and your buds. ;_;

Your Rachel is definitely pretty solid, and I agree with everything Kirbster said. To add one more little piece of advice; you like to use Cat Chair a lot, and that isn't very safe. You whiffed it quite a bit in those two matches, so I would try to lay off using them that much. Make sure you try to rapid those or counter assault instead, if you have to meter.