[CS2/EX] Hakumen Info and Discussion

[mjting]

@mac quite aware of that, although it is still marginally lower than most. (2.5k to border 3k)

lol might as well give haku an ice car or a hadouken or something. lol.

[ryokoalways]

@ryoko I was referring to a ch 5c starter to typical enma stuff. I saw a post in the genral discussion iirc that 5c enma, jc j.2c 2c j2a j.2a j.c is a pathetic 2k compared to a 3300-3700 now. WTF.

if it were lows or A's for that matter, I don't really mind how low the damage can get.

that combo is not 2k. That combo is 3k.

[mjting]

Im not sure if anyone has put this up here but...... >.> here goes

Haku-Men

+4C combos into specials moves

+2D knocks opponent close enought for 5C..... combo potential is low, any combo will do around 2k-2.5K

*JD has new falling animation, ?.? possible combo if fast enought

-Overall dmg nerf 5C>uppercut> J.2C>2C> J.2A>JC does 2K

-6C causes slide effect on air opponents ( Wall bounce maybe, if close to the wall )

-Cannot combo from throws, unless in corner.

-J.214B knocks opponent high & to far to combo, if they are close to the wall it causes bounce. Enough time to land with 5c.

-J.214C sends opponent away, similar to Tsubaki's air dive attack

+C attacks are faster

+623a is faster, they seemed to attack faster after the dash. Less recovery ?.? maybe

by akira shiro in changes thread. some info might be redundant by now. my apologies.

[ryokoalways]

For your purpose,

5B>enma>j2C>2C>j2A>j2A>jC 2351dmg

4C>～　　2267dmg

5C>～　　3156dmg

2C>～　　2772dmg

2A>renka～　　2540dmg

Edit: Apologies, I read incorrectly. Above information still applies.

[mAc Chaos]

It'll be fine. Hakumen's had worse in the past. He's still an all basics character so solid fundamentals will carry him far.

[mjting]

have values for herp derp wallie combo? grab/5c renka to stuff?

[mAc Chaos]

You should be more clear.

[ryokoalways]

No idea. I would think throw combos in the corner, no meter would be about 2.2-2.4k?

5C renka enma would be about 3.8-3.9k if I had to guess.

[mjting]

okay, 5c>renka>5b> j.2a> j.2c>>2c>j.2a>j.2a>j.c

prob with renka now is it has more proration iirc. so id prefer another kishuu enma from enma>j.2c>5c rather than start with 5c> renka>enma.

[ryokoalways]

For the combo I posted earlier

jC>2C>j2A~

I believe that jC and j2A P2 were improved, so it's very likely the combo is legit.

[WallJumpMan]

yay ^

but how come 5c 3c works after the second rep of j 2a >jump c?

[ryokoalways]

Why wouldn't it? jC untech time was reduced, but that doesn't mean 5C knockdown isn't still viable. It will just be more combo and character dependent instead of being universal.

[mjting]

yeah I believe there were a bunch of bbs sourced posts that had 5c and 3c as ender on wall.

[WallJumpMan]

i see

so 5c 3c ender is just character specific

[mAc Chaos]

I just prefer 5C as an ender now anyway.

[Re4L14124c]

anyone have a video of what j.D does now? I'm kind of curious.

[Warhound]

I think j.D is back to CT status isn't it? You just get a star and some damage and that's it.

[BladeOfJustice7]

anyone have a video of what j.D does now? I'm kind of curious.

Basically the same effect as ct, except the enemy twirls in the air when he kicks them up. Not joking, one of the vids has it can't remember which one though. It looks stupid to be honest with you.

[mAc Chaos]

Someone brought up the idea of a crossup though... like Tager's Gadget Finger RC shenanigans.

[ultimatefaust]

Someone brought up the idea of a crossup though... like Tager's Gadget Finger RC shenanigans.

<---- this guy! ^.^ cross under kishuu, to 2B cancelled into ZANTETSU WHOOO people would be like ....wtf....

[Sophisticat]

^ How does that work? I thought they teched too high for a cross-under?

Then again, I only saw that j.D once and I can't find the footage again for the life of me. >_>

[Re4L14124c]

I can't really imagine what you guys are talking about, lol. I don't remember there being an air spin motion besides the sideways air spin animation (jin's dp, ashura)

[ultimatefaust]

^ How does that work? I thought they teched too high for a cross-under?

Then again, I only saw that j.D once and I can't find the footage again for the life of me. >_>

i seen it like twice, but it seems that opponents cant tech till they touch the ground :X

[Shiny Umbreon]

I'm at Japan right now with my friend and got to play like 3 rounds of CS2 Hakumen. Feels really slow compared to CS1 and I was pretty sad when I lost to a Platinum player who knew his shit because Mugen > Yukikaze kills too much bar at once, and I couldn't continue to deal the killing blow.

Anyways some stuff from the BBS.

名称・攻撃力・初段補正・乗算補正

5A　　　350　　85　　84

5B　　　590　　80　　89

5C　　1110　 100　　92

2A　　　300　　85　　84

2B　　　450　　80　　86

2C　　　950　　90　　92

6A　　　620　　85　　89　？

6B

6C　　1300　 100　　92

溜め6C 1600

最大6C 2000

4C　　　700　　80　　89

3C　　1200

JA　　　320　　90　　84

JB　　　590　　90　　89

JC　　　900　　90　　89　？

J2A　　 980　　80　　75

J2C 　1000　　90　　92

5D・2D・6D・JD　初段乗算45

紅蓮 　 560　 100　　89

閻魔 　 860　　90　　75

蓮華 　 830　　90　 120

二段目 860　　 　　　65

残鉄　2430　　90　　80

二段目 550　　 　　　94

火蛍　1500　　90　 　92

椿祈　2200　　70？　90？　ボーナス120？？

疾風　4000　 100　　60

雪風　3800　　33以下

Name.Damage.P1.P2

5A　　　350　　85　　84

5B　　　590　　80　　89

5C　　1110　 100　　92

2A　　　300　　85　　84

2B　　　450　　80　　86

2C　　　950　　90　　92

6A　　　620　　85　　89　？

6B

6C　　1300　 100　　92

charge 6C 1600

max 6C 2000

4C　　　700　　80　　89

3C　　1200

JA　　　320　　90　　84

JB　　　590　　90　　89

JC　　　900　　90　　89　？

J2A　　 980　　80　　75

J2C 　1000　　90　　92

5D・2D・6D・JD　 P1 P2 45

Guren 　 560　 100　　89

Enma 　 860　　90　　75

Renka(1) 　 830　　90　 120

Renka(2) 860　　 　　　65

Zantetsu(1)　2430　　90　　80

Zantetsu(2) 550　　 　　　94

Hotaru　1500　　90　 　92

Tsubaki　2200　　70？　90？　Bonus 120？？

Shippu　4000　 100　　60

Yukikaze　3800　　Under 33

That's it for now, may edit and add more later.

Didn't see this posted here so I thought I'd carry it over from the other board.

[ryokoalways]

I think the new standard may be to use jC>6C for knockdown, and jc>5C only for situations where the former cannot be applied.