TD Report post Posted October 7, 2011 yeah most of her combos in cs2 ended with 3-4 wind gain even without meter :v good times. alot of people got nerfed hard, not just rachel. l wonder what arksys is trying to do? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rhannmah Report post Posted October 7, 2011 putting everyone into B tier so this game can be balanced Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SpA]Relentless Report post Posted October 7, 2011 Either that, or they are just trolling everyone Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rhannmah Report post Posted October 7, 2011 we'll have to see how Rachel turns out. Let's hope this isn't CS1 redux Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
currentlemon Report post Posted October 7, 2011 we'll have to see how Rachel turns out. Let's hope this isn't CS1 redux I doubt that. She still has her 6a. j.a is still an overhead and j.2c is air-cancelable. Rachel was given stronger mix-ups in return for damage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SpA]Relentless Report post Posted October 7, 2011 We don't know yet if 6A is still as good. The changes state that the hitboxes of some moves got nerfed but it doesn't say which ones. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
currentlemon Report post Posted October 7, 2011 Relentless;1158884']We don't know yet if 6A is still as good. The changes state that the hitboxes of some moves got nerfed but it doesn't say which ones. I looked at the list. It says that proration of normal moves have changed. Not hit-boxes. Not sure which ones. But we still don't know a lot about her yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SpA]Relentless Report post Posted October 7, 2011 Oh, it got corrected. That's good to hear. I take worse proration over worse anti-air/poke any day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rhannmah Report post Posted October 7, 2011 I doubt that. She still has her 6a. j.a is still an overhead and j.2c is air-cancelable. Rachel was given stronger mix-ups in return for damage. sure, i'd trade damage for better mix-up, but we really don't know how better her mix-up is. Can't wait to finally see videos of her in action. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeoZero Report post Posted October 7, 2011 A rachel player on nicovideo is streaming and answering question and talking about CSE Rachel changes. He seem to be talking a lot about j.b. If only I can understand him T-T. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tofurr Report post Posted October 7, 2011 How do you watch nicovideo streaming? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pikdum Report post Posted October 7, 2011 Do you have a link? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeoZero Report post Posted October 7, 2011 Here: http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv66557174?ref=ser But it's over now. ): Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tofurr Report post Posted October 7, 2011 Ah. Did you get to see anything interesting? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rhannmah Report post Posted October 7, 2011 was he streaming gameplay or just talking? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeoZero Report post Posted October 7, 2011 Just talking. No gameplay vids sadly. Closest I've seen of rachel gameplay is her getting combo by haz ): Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rhannmah Report post Posted October 9, 2011 Well, looking at that match between serori(a very good cs2 rachel player) and akira, it just looks like Rachel is back to CS1 status. Let's hope it's just that Serori hasn't found what to do yet. But from my standpoint, it just looks bad whichever way I look at it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sindelian Report post Posted October 9, 2011 Well keep in mind that Serori was versing Tager, Rachel has to completely alter her gameplay against him. Let's wait for a match that doesn't involve Tager before we jump to conclusions. Though I feel like she's still far from CS1 status. CS1 Rachel had horrendus damage and very few tools. But she still has most of her CS2 tools and some new ones. I doubt that damage is as bad as it was in CS1, but I understand, it still sounds bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gli Report post Posted October 9, 2011 I still have confidence. Tager has always been a wildcard match for anyone. A couple of minor changes makes the match-up new again. Charged Sledgehammers, new pushback on barrier guard+IB, 6B with no jump-cancel properties, and most of all the reduced damage. I can see why a Rachel player would want to play more lame under these conditions. In short: serori was simply outplayed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kirbster Report post Posted October 9, 2011 There's nothing we can assume about the new Rachel from this video because the guy simply tried nothing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jason D. Report post Posted October 9, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTcO_0l5CBQ Yeah, this thing. So finally a video of her is up. Let's all see some numbers for all of these combos... Pumpkin, 5A(1), 5B, 3C(1), Iris, 5CC CS2: 1454 CSEX: 1484 j.A, j.B, 5A(1), 5B, 6B, 5CC, 236B CS2: 1472 CSEX: 1484 George, Pumpkin (5th hit?), 5CC CS2: 1601 CSEX: 1520 2B, 5B, 5CC CS2: 1416 CSEX: 1465 j.A, j.B CS2: 479 CSEX: 502 j.A, j.B, 5A(1), 5B, 6B, Pumpkin, 5B, 5CC CS2: 1455 CSEX: 1457 Pumpkin, 5A(1), 5B, j.B, j.C, j.C, Iris CS2: 1450 CSEX: 1434 So there you go! Come to your own conclusions. (No, seriously, because I have no idea. Short combos are very slightly stronger? George has worse P1? Combos may or may not do less total damage as they get longer?) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rhannmah Report post Posted October 9, 2011 I just re-watched the video over and over again and in the first round, there are MANY times where I would've done a way bigger CS2 combo. There were many openings, she just didn't capitalize on them. Why? One reason might be the reduced combo rate, which makes all these j2c lvl 2 combos not possible anymore. I just wish this isn't the case, but there's no way serori wouldn't know about them. I hope i'm just overreacting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kronikhall Report post Posted October 9, 2011 try not to think too much into it. Rachel is a complex character, so it'll take more than a few days for her best players to figure her out again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kirbster Report post Posted October 9, 2011 I just re-watched the video over and over again and in the first round, there are MANY times where I would've done a way bigger CS2 combo. There were many openings, she just didn't capitalize on them. Why? One reason might be the reduced combo rate, which makes all these j2c lvl 2 combos not possible anymore. I just wish this isn't the case, but there's no way serori wouldn't know about them. I hope i'm just overreacting. I'm thinking the same exact thing. Either he cut those combos short because he's bad at hitconfirming, or he's forced to because the combos we might think of simply don't work... Crossing my fingers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SpA]Relentless Report post Posted October 9, 2011 It's so hilarious how everyone's desperately holding onto one video of Rachel getting blown up cause we just don't get any footage Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
