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P4A Tier List Discussion *5/2 Latest*

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I know you guys have only had the game for a few days, but at least try and be more professional when discussing tiers.

S Tier? B Tier? What does this mean? They're just abstract rankings made by netplay scrubs and stream monsters with no fact/science/math behind it.

I live in Japan, and I know many Japanese players and have many Japanese friends. Japan is an advanced country (in my opinion, more advanced than America); and here in Japan, we believe that if there is no concrete data backing the tiers, then they are worthless.

I might get in trouble with the guys at the arcade, but here is something that we have been working on the past few weeks.

As you'll notice, this chart is much more polished and professional than the ones being discussed on this site.

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If you crunch the numbers, you'll notice that each individual character's proportion on the chart translates DIRECTLY to their CTWP (Chance to Win Percentage)

For example, if Aigis(28%) fights against Yosuke(11%), then there is a 28% chance Aigis will win the match, and an 11% chance Yosuke will win.

Akihiko vs Liz: 15% chance Akihiko will win, 13% chance Liz will win.

Narukami vs Mitsuru: 21% chance Narukami will win, 26% chance Mitsuru will win.

Etc. Etc...

Compiling the data and making the chart wasn't easy, but we tried to make it simple enough and used many bright colors to ensure the Americans would also be able to understand.

Hopefully people on this site will finally realize how pointless theory fighting is and begin looking at the math that goes on behind fighting games.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask.

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If you have any questions, feel free to ask.

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Okay, don't teck Yu's oki set up and watch what happens...

I didn't mean "never tech", but you can delay until 5DD hits and eat ~400-700 extra damage to escape.

Also, nice pie chart list :yaaay:

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I didn't mean "never tech", but you can delay until 5DD hits and eat ~400-700 extra damage to escape.

Also, nice pie chart list :yaaay:

From what I've seen, the Yellow beat otg to knockdown combos. So you would just eat 400-700 extra damage for nothing.

Be a man and tech.

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From what I've seen, the Yellow beat otg to knockdown combos. So you would just eat 400-700 extra damage for nothing.

Be a man and tech.

Thank you Skye for clearing this before I could.

@Jiyuna: Stay GDLK sir!

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From what I've seen, the Yellow beat otg to knockdown combos. So you would just eat 400-700 extra damage for nothing.

Be a man and tech.

Video time stamp to show what skye and shin says being true:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LXvuecKs9s&feature=player_detailpage#t=419s

Be a man and tech.

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From what I've seen, the Yellow beat otg to knockdown combos. So you would just eat 400-700 extra damage for nothing.

Be a man and tech.

I stand corrected then; somehow managed to never see this come up in a match video till now; Japanese players seemed to just delay tech and get out every time based on what I'd seen. Thanks to everyone for clearing up that misconception.

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It combos but i think the reason its done is because they have to do the divekick to get the knockdown in that yellow beat combo and maybe you can't set another 5D after it? Seems you can only do the 5D followup and people would rather just block that than get mixed up from the 3 hit 5D.

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For example, if Aigis(28%) fights against Yosuke(11%), then there is a 28% chance Aigis will win the match, and an 11% chance Yosuke will win.

then theres a 61% chance of a draw?

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then theres a 61% chance of a draw?

61% chance of rage quits or scrub wins that you pretend don't really count.

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08/02/12 PSR Totals (order by 800s)

[table=width: 300, class: grid, align: left]

Character800700600Total

Mitsuru32681062457

Yu16811585483

Chie1545944450

Aigis1233561205

Elizabeth1147822842

Akihiko1140872410

Yukiko1040562250

Yosuke940782406

Kanji949962553

Teddie722431791

Naoto622401662

S.Labrys62230904

Labrys4431134156

[/table]

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Huh, didn't expect Labrys to be this popular. The rest are kinda predictable.

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Hey Kurushii, how many Master ranked people are there on PS3? 360 just has one and 3 900+ PSR players who are using Chie, Yukiko and Elizabeth.

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Hey Kurushii, how many Master ranked people are there on PS3? 360 just has one and 3 900+ PSR players who are using Chie, Yukiko and Elizabeth.

Such thing as a Master rank? It's F- to SSS that i've seen. Not many SSS. Look at my thread in the hidden online section for the list of top PSR's on ps3.

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I just checked. Tomo-2577 (Slaby) is the only MASTER on PS3. Then for SSS we only have m0831_6189 (Yu), arex-s (Slaby), maxfell (Akihiko), kirichame (Chie), gomibakodarake (Yosuke), SPINKING_ONLINE (Chie), and hayasi0314 (Yosuke). The rest of the top 37 of Grades are SS. S+ goes all the way down to 168. S goes all the way down to 687.

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Since I was actually interested in the percentages of the total, and calculated them all out, I may as well share them with you all. Just a useful perspective on the data - I'm sure it's usefulness could be argued either way.

Converted to Percentages of the Total (with 3 significant figures)

Also re-ordered by the new percentages of 800s.

08/02/12 PSR Totals (order by 800s) - Data from Kurushii's table above.

[table=width: 300, class: grid, align: left]

Character800700600Total

Mitsuru1.30%2.77%4.31%2457

Aigis1.00%2.74%4.65%1205

S.Labrys0.664%2.43%3.32%904

Akihiko0.456%1.66%3.61%2410

Yukiko0.444%1.78%2.49%2250

Teddie0.391%1.23%2.40%1791

Elizabeth0.387%1.65%2.89%2842

Yosuke0.374%1.67%3.24%2406

Naoto0.361%1.32%2.41%1662

Kanji0.353%1.92%3.76%2553

Chie0.337%1.01%2.11%4450

Yu0.292%1.48%2.88%5483

Labrys0.0962%1.03%2.72%4156

[/table]

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Interesting look at the totals Kurushii/Ai.

Are these values fro XBOX, PS3 or Nesica? Possibly all (3). be interesting if the ranks are cohabitant.

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Interesting look at the totals Kurushii/Ai.

Are these values fro XBOX, PS3 or Nesica? Possibly all (3). be interesting if the ranks are cohabitant.

These are Nesica values. I have PSR values for PS3 in the hidden online section and Omni will be getting me the 360 ones later today before NA hits.

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