Kikuichimonji Report post Posted November 5, 2014 How do you get away from Akihiko's instant kill if you're in the corner? Do you just super jump air dash over it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Justice7541 Report post Posted November 5, 2014 Just run through him and keep going, the startup on it is super slow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Effenhoog Report post Posted November 5, 2014 You can also roll through the orb safely. If you are paralyzed and he tries to IK you rolling back and forth through the orb until it ends is the best way to avoid it also Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpLSlick Report post Posted November 5, 2014 I know this isnt akihiko specific but whose considered tall? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njmamm Report post Posted November 25, 2014 hey does anyone know the frames for blocked 5c > dash cancel? is that a thing people even measure? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akihebrew Report post Posted November 25, 2014 Wiki says dash cancel has 21 frames of recovery, it doesn't list frame adv. I'm going to assume that because 5C has 19 frames of blockstun (5 active + 19 recovery - 19 blockstun = 5) , dash cancel would be -2. It would be even more on a charged 5C. If someone else knows more please correct me. -2 seems pretty safe for such an option... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kikuichimonji Report post Posted November 26, 2014 Wiki says dash cancel has 21 frames of recovery, it doesn't list frame adv. I'm going to assume that because 5C has 19 frames of blockstun (5 active + 19 recovery - 19 blockstun = 5) , dash cancel would be -2. It would be even more on a charged 5C. If someone else knows more please correct me. -2 seems pretty safe for such an option...5C has 5 active frames and 19 recovery frames, and is -5. Assuming the move hits on the first active frame, it has a net of (4+19=23) recovery. Dash cancel reduces it to 21, which means it's 2 frames safer. So it's -3, not -2. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njmamm Report post Posted November 27, 2014 Gotcha. Thanks, both of you Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barzorx Report post Posted November 29, 2014 It's relatively safe - if you see them block you rush in and block, if they get hit then you laugh and praise the protein gods. People with absurdly slow 5A's / too much respect however you can slap around easier. Doesnt matter if its 5C or [5C], they are both the same -3, since you are canceling out of the move and dashing forward after the hit itself, making [5C] more unsafe (longer startup = people can react to it before its out) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kikuichimonji Report post Posted November 29, 2014 It's relatively safe - if you see them block you rush in and block, if they get hit then you laugh and praise the protein gods. People with absurdly slow 5A's / too much respect however you can slap around easier. Doesnt matter if its 5C or [5C], they are both the same -3, since you are canceling out of the move and dashing forward after the hit itself, making [5C] more unsafe (longer startup = people can react to it before its out) As Minazuki, I'm practically terrified of Akihiko even if I'm +3. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barzorx Report post Posted November 29, 2014 As Minazuki, I'm practically terrified of Akihiko even if I'm +3. Haha well, even if you dont IB that situation you have a 5 frame 5A(i think?) so -3 means i have 3 frames + 5 frames until my 5A hits - therefore with a well timed 5A you'll counter hit akihiko. A smart aki will not dash in gunsablazing for he'll get hit - however he CAN use 5C dash in as a sort of pressure tool since its relatively safe (aka: worst case scenario you start pressuring me, but im NOT getting hit) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kikuichimonji Report post Posted November 29, 2014 Haha well, even if you dont IB that situation you have a 5 frame 5A(i think?) so -3 means i have 3 frames + 5 frames until my 5A hits - therefore with a well timed 5A you'll counter hit akihiko. A smart aki will not dash in gunsablazing for he'll get hit - however he CAN use 5C dash in as a sort of pressure tool since its relatively safe (aka: worst case scenario you start pressuring me, but im NOT getting hit) Minazuki's/Sho's 5A is 9 frames. His 2A is 7. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barzorx Report post Posted November 29, 2014 Minazuki's/Sho's 5A is 9 frames. His 2A is 7. Huh! Well. Then your 5A wont work, but your 2A will work wonders. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RentalBlackout Report post Posted December 3, 2014 What is our go-to oki, in general? What do we do for safe jumps and such? Just dash j.B? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barzorx Report post Posted December 4, 2014 That's a hard one to respond. There's many ways to efficiently pressure and create oki situations with akihiko! For example, off of corkscrew level 3 or 4 you can do a safe jump jB by dashing to the enemy, waiting when the enemy techs (he flashes white) then jump, jB (delayed to the ground as much as possible). Off of lv 1-2 corks its a bit harder to do with jB (but totally doable), however I prefer to do dash jA (because it gives me more time to do it, mkay guys?). And finally off of lv 5 you have so many options! My favorite is, however, calling 5D - simply because a lot of people feel VERY threatened by his presence. Even when you will do nothing - people think you have a setup off of it, and thus they become prone to screwing up. Other than that keep in mind stuff like hook B is a slight frame trap, and though not really a frame trap, doing Assault Dive B>hook A (when people are really respecting you) can lead to amusing results (free hook A fatal yay!) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barzorx Report post Posted January 30, 2015 Moved to archive section since this is from Persona 4 Arena... all Persona 4 Arena Ultimax discussion should be higher up. However you are still free to discuss P4A topics here so... yeah. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites