[P4A] Naoto Shirogane - Combo Thread "My skills have been honed!" (Updated 1/20/2013)

[Mysrt]

Do we have a worthwhile counter hit combo? I've been looking for something to do with my counter hit 5Cs and all I can figure is to just air dash and get the couple of hits.

[ludwig van]

blargh and any interested parties, are you guys going to update teh wiki? seems pretty important...

naoto wiki page views: 13.1k

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not to mention moderator duties include updating the wiki

Looks like others have already started on it, but I'll comb it over tomorrow and add stuff. That reminds me of a thread I wanted to make though. . .

And thanks again KV for sharing that!

[Kyle]

Midscren throw combo. updated, more damage & much harder for consistency. I may not use it, it's full of tight inputs.

2294 dmg

C+D, OMC, 4, 214C, IAD, A+B, J.C, Land, 5C(C-Trap hits), 214D, 66, run under, 236B~D, (D-trap hits), 236A~D,

[kid viper]

Iirc off of throw in the corner you can do

B+c~c > mudoon > 214c 214d > c trap goes off > 236a~b~d > d trap goes off > 2a > 5b > 5c > (236b~d )xN

[MikeySupreme]

Do we have a worthwhile counter hit combo? I've been looking for something to do with my counter hit 5Cs and all I can figure is to just air dash and get the couple of hits.

236B~D [FC], C gunshot (whiff first 2-3 hits), Mudoon, Megiddo C, Megiddo D, [Megiddo C hits], 2B, 5B, 5C, iad j.C, j.D, [236A~D, (Megiddo D hits), Megiddo D x10 ].

-Death (+10.7k)

Not sure without meter.

[-Otsdarva-]

Day 2 of my Naoto journey. I've been playing around with hit confirms and some other stuff in the lab and I'm trying to come up with a good punish off of a 236A/B OMC into Naoto's 2A. As we all know, the second hit of 236A/B is an overhead, and players will begin to block high as they learn the Naoto max up, so to create a little 50/50 I OMC the first hit allowing me to ether go high with 5C or low with 2A, you can even cross up or fakie. The problem is I can't find a good 2A punish combo without using more meter, and now I'm wondering If anyone has a good 2A combo without using OMC.

thanks in advance!

[Kyle]

I am having a tough time getting smp from a corner throw. I am trying to only use a OMB or 50% meter. I've come close but can't get it yet. Throws truly kill hit stun.

Because of the limited hitsun, we lose 2[C] link anything and 5C only goes into 236B w/ 5C having no decay.

W/ that being said, here are the only ways into 236B~D.

OMB, 236B~D

c (No decay), 236B~D

214D, 236B~D

blah blah blah

[Ichipoo]

^^^

Iirc off of throw in the corner you can do

B+c~c > mudoon > 214c 214d > c trap goes off > 236a~b~d > d trap goes off > 2a > 5b > 5c > (236b~d )xN

[Gemakai]

Day 2 of my Naoto journey. I've been playing around with hit confirms and some other stuff in the lab and I'm trying to come up with a good punish off of a 236A/B OMC into Naoto's 2A. As we all know, the second hit of 236A/B is an overhead, and players will begin to block high as they learn the Naoto max up, so to create a little 50/50 I OMC the first hit allowing me to ether go high with 5C or low with 2A, you can even cross up or fakie. The problem is I can't find a good 2A punish combo without using more meter, and now I'm wondering If anyone has a good 2A combo without using OMC.

thanks in advance!

I like the idea. I don't know how far Naoto would be without practicing it myself, but a theory combo that comes to mind is

2a > 5b > 5c > 236B~CCCCC

Or if you have the meter for it

2a > 5b > 5c > 2C > 236236D > Dash > 214 D > 2AB > 236A~D > D Trap hits > 2[C] > 5C > 236Bxn

Definitely experiment with it.

Edit: As far as position goes there's always dashing to get as close as you can. With that in mind, you should be good to perform said combos.

[mynus]

I am having a tough time getting smp from a corner throw. I am trying to only use a OMB or 50% meter. I've come close but can't get it yet. Throws truly kill hit stun.

All this info including throw smp combos are in the first 2 opening posts.

Additionally I have some new starters which are sexy as hell.

@Biargh, can you please add these to the SMP section you set up in the OP please?

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5C [CH], iad j.C, j.D, 236A, OMB, Megiddo D, [5A x2], 235A~D, [Megiddo D hits], charged 2C, 2B, 5C, [236B~D x9], 236A~D.

-7.7k

5D [hits], 5C, Mudoon, Megiddo C, Megiddo D, [Megiddo C hits], 236A~B gunshot x1~D, charged 2C, [5A x2], 5C, [236 x12].

-Death (+10.5k)

[Megiddo C hit], 5C, iad j.A, j.C, Mudoon, Megiddo D, [5A x2], 236A~D, [Megiddo D hit], charged 2C, 2B, 5C, [236B~D x14].

-Death (+10.5k)

[Megiddo D hit], 2A, 5C, iad j.B, j.C, 5C, 214A~C gunshot x5, Mudoon, charged 2C, 2B, 5C, [236B~D x13], 236A~D.

-9.8k

Place Megiddo D, 2A, [Megiddo hit], 5B, 5C, iad j.B, j.C, Muudon, charged 2C, [5A x2], 5C, [236B x9], 236A~D.

-6.2k

[Kyle]

Thanks,

still working towards a corner throw OMB into SMP combo.

- CD~C>236236C>214C>214D (214C hits)>236A~Bx1~D>2[C]>2B>5C>SMPx7>236A~D (50 meter, 5.7k damage) (Does not work on Teddie. Use: 236236D>214D>5AA>236A~D (214D hits)>2[C]>2B>5C>SMPx4>236A~D instead)

[XDest]

[Megiddo C hit], 5C, iad j.A, j.C, Mudoon, Megiddo D, [5A x2], 236A~D, [Megiddo D hit], charged 2C, 2B, 5C, [236B~D x14].

-Death (+10.5k)

You don't need the 2B there I'm pretty sure.

[Rikir]

All this info including throw smp combos are in the first 2 opening posts.

Additionally I have some new starters which are sexy as hell.

@Biargh, can you please add these to the SMP section you set up in the OP please?

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5C [CH], iad j.C, j.D, 236A, OMB, Megiddo D, [5A x2], 235A~D, [Megiddo D hits], charged 2C, 2B, 5C, [236B~D x9], 236A~D.

-7.7k

5D [hits], 5C, Mudoon, Megiddo C, Megiddo D, [Megiddo C hits], 236A~B gunshot x1~D, charged 2C, [5A x2], 5C, [236 x12].

-Death (+10.5k)

[Megiddo C hit], 5C, iad j.A, j.C, Mudoon, Megiddo D, [5A x2], 236A~D, [Megiddo D hit], charged 2C, 2B, 5C, [236B~D x14].

-Death (+10.5k)

[Megiddo D hit], 2A, 5C, iad j.B, j.C, 5C, 214A~C gunshot x5, Mudoon, charged 2C, 2B, 5C, [236B~D x13], 236A~D.

-9.8k

Place Megiddo D, 2A, [Megiddo hit], 5B, 5C, iad j.B, j.C, Muudon, charged 2C, [5A x2], 5C, [236B x9], 236A~D.

-6.2k

Aw man... I was going to post a 5D combo but someone beat me to it D:

Oh well heres the version ive been using:

5D > 5C > 236236D > 214D > 2B > 5B > 236A~D > (Megido hits) > 2[C] > 5C > IAD j.BC > 5C > 236B~D x n (50 Meter, Death)

[Kyle]

I cannot activate SMP off of throw & OMB. wtf. here's the combo's that should work. everything connects, just SMP doesn't activate.

- C+D~C, 2B, B, C, SJ.A, J.B, J.C, J.D, OMB, 214D, AA, 236A~D, (D-trap hits), 236B~D, First one connects, cannot continue 236B. (14 attacks)

- C+D~C, 2B, B, C, SJ.A, J.B, J.C, J.D, OMB, 214D, 236A~D, (D-trap hits), 236B~D, First one connects, cannot continue 236B. (12 attacks)

- C+D~C, 2B, C, SJ.A, J.B, J.C, J.D, OMB, 214D, 236A~D, (D-trap hits), 236B~D, First one connects, cannot continue 236B. (11 attacks)

- C+D~C, 2B, B, J.B, J.D, OMB, 214D, AA, 236A~D, (D-trap hits), C, 236B~D, First one connects, cannot continue 236B (12 attacks)

- C+D~C, 2B, B, J.B, J.D, OMB, 214D, 2A+B, 236A~D, (D-trap hits), C, 236B~D, First one connects, cannot continue 236B (11 attacks)

I am concluding you cannot pickup SMP loop w/ corner throw and only OMB.

That Teddie version works great, 4184dmg, Seems Muhdoon increases hitstun enough to give us back 2[C] link making SMP setups pretty typical. =D

I found one worth a little more damage I like better. b/c the 236A~B~D feel so akward & I cannot get it to recover fast enough for 2[C] follow up. Anyways, 4761 dmg, corner throw, works on Teddie too.

- C+D~C, 2B, 236236D, 214D, 2AB, 236A~D, (D-trap hits), 44, 2[C], 66B, C, SMPx5, 236A~D.

[Kyle]

0 resources corner throw:

Kanji- C+D~C, C, IAD, J.B. J.C, C, 236B~D, 236A~D. 2247k DMG. First C hits early & step back on 236A.

Labrys- C+D~C, C, IAD, J.B. J.C, C, 236B~D, 236A~D. 2247k DMG. First C hits early & step back on 236A.

Aigis- C+D~C, C, IAD, J.B. J.C, C, 236B~D, 236A~D. 2247k DMG. First C hits early & step back on 236A.

Naoto- C+D~C, C, IAD, J.B. J.C, C, 236B~D, 236A~D. 2247k DMG. First C hits early & step back on 236A.

Yu- C+D~C, C, IAD, J.B. J.C, C, 236B~D, 236A~D. 2247k DMG. First C hits early & step back on 236A.

Elizabeth- C+D~C, C, IAD, J.B. J.C, C, 236B~D, 236A~D. 2247k DMG. First C hits early & step back on 236A.

Yosuke- C+D~C, C, IAD, J.B. J.C, C, 236B~D, 236A~D. 2247k DMG. First C hits early & step back on 236A.

Akihikio- C+D~C, C, IAD, J.B. J.C, C, 236B~D, 236A~D. 2247k DMG. First C hits early & step back on 236A.

Very Tight

Mitsuru- C+D~C, C, IAD, J.B. J.C, C, 236B~D, 236A~D. 2247k DMG. First C hits early & step back on 236A. (VERY TIGHT)

Yukiko- C+D~C, C, IAD, J.B. J.C, C, 236B~D, 236A~D. 2247k DMG. First C hits early & step back on 236A. (VERY TIGHT)

Teddie- C+D~C, C, 236B~D, C, 236A~D. 2121 DMG step back on 236A

Chie- C+D~C, C, 236B~D, C, 236A~D. 2121 DMG step back on 236A

Mitsuru- C+D~C, C, 236B~D, C, 236A~D. 2121 DMG. First C hit late & step back on 236A

Yukiko- C+D~C, C, 236B~D, C, 236A~D. 2121 DMG step back on 236A

For consistency, I included the tight ones w/ the small opponents. There we have it. =)

[OmniSScythe]

Kyle, that's all because hitstun delay is horrible by that point, but I took a sec and made a SMP off throw and OMB combo.

C+D~C > 5C > j.B > j.C > j.D > OMB > 214D> 236A~B(1 hit)~D > (D-trap hits) > 236B~D x3

[Kyle]

I was about there. After getting the SMP from corner throw, C, 236236D... It proves the throw and follow-up "C" each count as a unique attack. So my earlier combos were way exceeding the 10 count. was about to scale it back & you just beat me to it.

- C+D~C, C, J.B, J.C, J.D, OMB, 214D, 236A~B~D, (D-trap hits), 236B~D, 236B~D, 236A~D: 3128 dmg, 2 skulls

Many thanks Omni

I am disappointed the dmg is so low for a OMB. Seems like a waste of resources. Suppose if it gets you the kill...

[derra]

You can get a couple of reps (3~4 I think) with Mudoon from:

CD~C > 236236D > 66 > 214D > 5AA > 236A~D > Trap Hits > 2[C] > 5B > 5C > [236B~D]xn. Pretty sure I've done 4 off of that.

[Kyle]

Can anyone confirm the optimal midscreen air throw combo w/ 50% meter. Is it best w/ double air dashes or 236B~D into an airdash...

Anyone is welcome to test & confirm dmg plz. I will not be in training mode tonight. I am thinking one of these is the answer.

[HexaNoid]

J.C+D, OMC, J.C, Land, 66, B, C, 236B~D, 66, C, 236A~D - 3,405

This combo does the most damage. I had to take out the last IAD j.B > j.C since the Double Fangs A wouldn't connect after the 5C. Doing the same combo with j.A will make the subsequent j.C whiff.

With the double airdash combos, I couldn't get the second airdash chain to connect fully. If someone else wants to give it a shot then go ahead, but this is the easiest combo I found that did good damahe

[ludwig van]

@Biargh, can you please add these to the SMP section you set up in the OP please?

Done and thanks again. I put they all looked like midscreen combos so I put them under there. If that's not the case please correct me lol.

Something I've noticed w/ SMP combos is that similar moves count as separate moves, such as the first 4 shots being separate from the 5th, 2[C] from 2C. Are there any other examples of moves like this?

Also, what combos (both meterless and w/ meter) are people doing off of CH j.C (both on airborne and grounded opponents)? Meterless air-to-air I've been using CH j.C>5C>236B~D>dash 5C>IAD j.A>j.C>236A~D

EDIT: and on the subject of 5D~D combos I got 5D~D>2C>236236D>214C>214D (214C hits)>236A~D (214D hits)>2[C]>5AA>5C>SMPx13>236A~D for 9.9k damage

[HexaNoid]

Also, what combos (both meterless and w/ meter) are people doing off of CH j.C (both on airborne and grounded opponents)? Meterless air-to-air I've been using CH j.C>5C>236B~D>dash 5C>IAD j.A>j.C>236A~D

Your meterless combo right there is the best I could come up with too except I added one more 5C at the end for a tiny bit more damage .

Grounded

[CH] j.C > (66)5C > 236B~D > 665C > IAD j.A/j.B > j.C > 5C > 236A~D - 2,753/21

(Corner) [CH] j.C > 5B > 2B > 2C > 236236D > 214C > 214D > (214C hits) > 5C > 236A~D > 2[C] > 5C > [236B~D] x11 > 236A~D - 7,882/15(-50)

Aerial

[CH] j.C > (land) > 5C > IAD j.A > j.C > 5C > 236B~D > 665C > 236A~D - 2,653/21

[Gemakai]

Saw this over from another forum - Seems brutal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cN5M0jHbp7Y&feature=player_embedded

[Kyle]

midscreen air throw 50% 3800 DMG

Soo happy about this one.

JC+D, OMC, J.C, Land, 66C, 236B~D, 66, C, IAD, J.B, J.C, Land, 66C, Delay, 236A~D

[MikeySupreme]

Since we're on air throws.

JC+D, OMC, J.C, 5B, 5C, 2C, mudoon, 214D, sweep, 236A, [2]C, 5C, smp loop.

Pretty much babbies first SMP off of air throw. You have to be somewhat near a corner, this one actually carries a good amount, not 236AB good, but it's alright.

Anyone have a better one off air throw?