[CP] Kokonoe - Video Thread [Updated 03/24/2014]

I had enough of hearing that you could get out of black hole setups by using Kokonoe's own black hole.
I don't know if players thought this was true or just commentators.
pretty much just a video for me to vent my rage.

Chalk it up to people being driven away from playing/practicing against the character as of late. It's common sense but very few people play her competitively in these parts (Pain and Severin?). To be fair though, BB commentators at SCR said a lot of wrong things =( Happens with every game, really.

Kurushii · March 8, 2014

【BBCP】ココノエコンボムービー「ＮＯＷＯＲＮＥＶＥＲ」

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm23045729

tetora_desu · March 10, 2014

Do you always go for a 5C>236C ender after 236B? Do you feel the damage is better then going for a 22.b oki? Or was it just combo video stuff?

On a side note: Your picture is huge.

Kurushii · March 10, 2014

Just for combo video damage output. For matches you want to knockdown and go for oki instead unless the ice gun will kill.

BananaKun · March 22, 2014

Possible 1.1 corner vortex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9zgYweJ_7U

BananaKun · March 31, 2014

Since j.2C got nerfed, here's a possible fuzzy guard IOH using j.B instead: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZg1kVtFWYg

BananaKun · April 1, 2014

It's been a popular sentiment that Azrael just OS'es/mashes out of Kokonoe's projectile mixups, but that sounded too good to be true for Azrael so I tested this and made a video. How to cross up Azrael using 22B+teleport: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBa5GtPuRGE&feature=youtu.be

Maho · April 1, 2014

Actually, there's an OS with Azrael I found out a while ago that work against this kind of setup (I found it against midscreen FB oki but it works for this too), forgot to post about it in the Azrel forum. So it's pretty simple, if Azrael holds A to tech, then does 2146B while still holding A a bit before touching the ground from the tech, it will barrier block if you crossup and growler if you don't.

I tested this against other possible 22B + TP setups as 1hit freezes and freeze RC and it works everytime, actually i didn't think of this at the time but it can be exploited with other characters.

For exemple Tager can + 236A to Sledge A against non crossup (he can block before Koko can punish after the TP), [A] + 236236B does whell against non crossup (which hits Koko out of TP), Amane can [A] +632146BC to super escape out of non crossup, all those block the crossup.

Of course those aren't as good as Azrael as they can be baited and punished.

BananaKun · April 1, 2014

Actually, there's an OS with Azrael I found out a while ago that work against this kind of setup (I found it against midscreen FB oki but it works for this too), forgot to post about it in the Azrel forum. So it's pretty simple, if Azrael holds A to tech, then does 2146B while still holding A a bit before touching the ground from the tech, it will barrier block if you crossup and growler if you don't.

I tested this against other possible 22B + TP setups as 1hit freezes and freeze RC and it works everytime, actually i didn't think of this at the time but it can be exploited with other characters.

For exemple Tager can + 236A to Sledge A against non crossup (he can block before Koko can punish after the TP), [A] + 236236B does whell against non crossup (which hits Koko out of TP), Amane can [A] +632146BC to super escape out of non crossup, all those block the crossup.

Of course those aren't as good as Azrael as they can be baited and punished.

This is why I like sharing what I find. There's always something to learn from others. <3

This is much bigger than Azrael getting out though, this is something most of the cast can use to some extent to counter left/right mixups. It's crazy that the game allows motions like 2146B to still count as 214B (and in extension any motion special/super), but I suppose it's not surprising that the OS involves barrier considering its priority. This means Kokonoe can use superball in a similar kind of OS. If only the game was as lenient with inputs such as 22C.. :P

BananaKun · April 4, 2014

BBCP: Some 1.1 corner combos + blackhole setups

BBCP: Corner OD punishes (11000+)

BBCP: Possible replacement for j.2C(whiff)?

tetora_desu · April 7, 2014

BBCP: Possible replacement for j.2C(whiff)?

Genius.

So j.5d when close too the ground can either erase your current gravitron?

BananaKun · April 7, 2014

Genius.

So j.5d when close too the ground can either erase your current gravitron?

It's interesting how it works, if you do j.C at the last possible frame or so, cancelling into j.D it won't delete your graviton but it will still cancel the hang time of j.C. The window for doing j.C>j.5D such that it erases the graviton is bigger, big enough that it can be used consistently.

Here's some more videos:

BBCP: 3C starter Golden Tager combos

BBCP: Corner throw overdrive combo (9719)

tetora_desu · April 14, 2014

My matches from my first tournament Saturday! I'll post more when they get uploaded!

(Grublet) (AZ) vs me (KO)

(Omex) (HK) vs me (KO)

(Birdcake) (RE) vs me (KO)

BananaKun · April 19, 2014

I've uploaded a bunch of new videos in My Channel, probably the more interesting ones are:

BBCP: Blocked 5B→j.A instant overhead

BBCP: Another idea for 1.1 blackhole

BananaKun · May 10, 2014

BBCP: Working 1.1 Blackhole setups

(damage values mentioned below are estimated for 1.1)

For these setups, it's looking like once you're caught in it and can't get out, you want to get hit by the fireball, in which case the damage is reduced to a little over 2k meterless by doing:

6B>5C>2C>236B>5C>236C

Or ~4300 with 50 meter:

22C>3C>214214A>4D>Activate>22B>5C>236C (teleport should set up the fall damage, but it's possible to trigger that blackhole "glitch" that causes Kokonoe to recover 1f faster than normal)

Of course, if they don't get hit by the fireball, you just do the usual blackhole followups which will easily do 4k without fall damage bonus.

Emuchu · May 24, 2014

Of course, if they don't get hit by the fireball, you just do the usual blackhole followups which will easily do 4k without fall damage bonus.

I looked around for some Blazblue Wikis, but... I can't figure out what "fall damage bonus" is. Can you explain it to me? I assume it's some sort of bonus applied for combos that involve a floor bounce or something?

Pen_Ninja · May 24, 2014

I looked around for some Blazblue Wikis, but... I can't figure out what "fall damage bonus" is. Can you explain it to me? I assume it's some sort of bonus applied for combos that involve a floor bounce or something?

You've pretty much got it.

I forget what the actual damage is but black hole wont do any damage until your opponent hits the floor, at which point I think it does 1800 but allows them to tech immediately.

The idea is to hit them with something else on the same frame to get that ~1800 damage but continue to combo afterwards.

Emuchu · May 24, 2014

You've pretty much got it.

I forget what the actual damage is but black hole wont do any damage until your opponent hits the floor, at which point I think it does 1800 but allows them to tech immediately.

The idea is to hit them with something else on the same frame to get that ~1800 damage but continue to combo afterwards.

Thanks, Pen_Ninja. That sounds pretty difficult... I have enough trouble consistently landing a 2C or 6B after a Black Hole.

Pen_Ninja · May 24, 2014

Previously we had ways of setting up so that you always hit on the same frame but it seems like they've randomised it in 1.1 so it's impossible to get every time.

BananaKen probably knows the most about that.

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