Kiba Report post Posted October 24, 2013 Please take a look at the FAQ here before asking any questions which may be repeated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magaki Report post Posted October 25, 2013 A few questions for people who managed to get their hands on the game earlier than others if they don't mind: First question: I heard that the inputs are quite sensitive now in CP especially for 623 patterns. Thankfully, Valk doesn't have any move following that pattern. However, did you have any troubles considering the inputs in general with him ? Second question: Considering that Valkenhayn's wolf mode drastically changed, did switching from CS to CP wolf mode proved to be hard or you had no troubles ? If you're already used to it, do you consider that overall it's easier to use wolf mode now or it was better in CS ? There are also 2 points I would like to confirm: A friend told me that brJA was much harder to do now. I didn't manage to talk to him again so I don't know if he meant that it was because he wasn't used to it OR because the wolf brakes are harder to do. Another thing he said was that, because of the reduced hitstop, CH hitconfirms were really difficult. Your opinion about it ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kiba Report post Posted October 25, 2013 Apologies in advance my answers will be quite brief. First question: I heard that the inputs are quite sensitive now in CP especially for 623 patterns. Thankfully, Valk doesn't have any move following that pattern. However, did you have any troubles considering the inputs in general with him? I did not have any trouble. Second question: Considering that Valkenhayn's wolf mode drastically changed, did switching from CS to CP wolf mode proved to be hard or you had no troubles ? If you're already used to it, do you consider that overall it's easier to use wolf mode now or it was better in CS ? I'm not even used to it and I am still sloppy with the movement. Getting used to wolf brake and inputting j.A is difficult, and I don't know how to do the wolf loop. w5C > 1D/2D/3D > 5C isn't working for me. I got it down once but I don't exactly remember how I did it, lol. There are also 2 points I would like to confirm: A friend told me that brJA was much harder to do now. I didn't manage to talk to him again so I don't know if he meant that it was because he wasn't used to it OR because the wolf brakes are harder to do. Another thing he said was that, because of the reduced hitstop, CH hitconfirms were really difficult. Your opinion about it ? I can't answer this question because I've only been in training mode with Valk and haven't really done CH confirms. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AshtonDragon Report post Posted October 25, 2013 Second question: Considering that Valkenhayn's wolf mode drastically changed, did switching from CS to CP wolf mode proved to be hard or you had no troubles ? If you're already used to it, do you consider that overall it's easier to use wolf mode now or it was better in CS ? It's definitely really strange. I didn't have any problems getting through his challenges or when practicing combos in the training room, but I'm still instinctively hitting the wrong things in matches and going flying when all I want to do is transform. I wouldn't say I'm quite used to it yet, but I'd say that wolf mode is harder to use now, but it is overall better. He just has more options now and they had to account for that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KaiserCX Report post Posted October 25, 2013 Second question: Considering that Valkenhayn's wolf mode drastically changed, did switching from CS to CP wolf mode proved to be hard or you had no troubles ? If you're already used to it, do you consider that overall it's easier to use wolf mode now or it was better in CS ? I'm definitely having trouble adjusting, but truthfully I don't know if it would be harder for someone to pick up this version of Valk than the previous. All I can say is it definitely is troublesome for someone who has been using Valk for awhile. There are also 2 points I would like to confirm: A friend told me that brJA was much harder to do now. I didn't manage to talk to him again so I don't know if he meant that it was because he wasn't used to it OR because the wolf brakes are harder to do. Another thing he said was that, because of the reduced hitstop, CH hitconfirms were really difficult. Your opinion about it ? Assuming brJA is w[5/3C>5c>j.A] in which case I'm finding it more difficult to do the new input for it is w[6/3D>4C>j.A] I was able to do it within the first few attempts, but it is harder for me to do consistently currently. From the few matches I've played I haven't really had trouble reacting to standard CHs such as 5c>236c and 3c>dash>2b, although the latter (3c) is a bit harder to do now and it's a shame that 5b(ch)>6c doesn't work anymore. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shyn Report post Posted October 26, 2013 ...and I don't know how to do the wolf loop. w5C > 1D/2D/3D > 5C isn't working for me. Pretty sure you have to get rid of landing recovery on 1D/2D/3D by using the brake. For example: w[5C>1DC>5C] Not 100% positive though caus I haven't tried to learn it yet. EDIT: Yeah, I was able to get it to work that way. Just read the other thread. Get both with one input? Sounds awesome. Gotta try. :D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aki- Report post Posted October 27, 2013 Alrighty! I have but two questions! :3 1. How do we do instant overhead [W]J.a? 2. How do we safely cancel out of wolf specials Example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WChShMYxvLM It starts at 0.35 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dreize Report post Posted October 27, 2013 1. Pretty sure it's w[6D > 1C/4C/7C > j.A] now. It needs to be done quickly. For reference: In Extend it was w[5C > 5C > j.A]. 2. He did 236A > 7C then used the wolf break after which he transformed out of wolf mode with j.D, so in CP it would be 236A > 7D > w[1C/4C/7C] > j.D]. The notation for the break is w[1C/4C/7C]. For reference: In Extend it would be 236A > 7D > w[5C > j.D]. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aki- Report post Posted October 27, 2013 1. Pretty sure it's w[6D > 1C/4C/7C > j.A] now. It needs to be done quickly. For reference: In Extend it was w[5C > 5C > j.A]. 2. He did 236A > 7C then used the wolf break after which he transformed out of wolf mode with j.D, so in CP it would be 236A > 7D > w[1C/4C/7C] > j.D]. The notation for the break is is w[1C/4C/7C]. For reference: In Extend it would be 236A > 7D > w[5C > j.D]. Draize you're a life saver!!!!!!!! If I was a woman I'd kiss ya! Thanks for the help!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dreize Report post Posted October 27, 2013 Err, no problem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
samthegreat Report post Posted October 27, 2013 1. Pretty sure it's w[6D > 1C/4C/7C > j.A] now. It needs to be done quickly. I do w[1D > 1C > j.A], I find it easier. Input should be 1DCA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dreize Report post Posted October 27, 2013 Was wondering if that would work. Then I guess that w[4D > 4C > j.A] and w[7D > 7C > j.A] should also work? I have a feeling that this is going to come down to personal preference at the end of the day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kakimori Report post Posted October 29, 2013 I already looked in the Combo thread, but since all of Valk's old BnB's are basically GONE, can anyone give me a simple-as-possible combo to practice how his new wolf form combos work? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kiba Report post Posted October 29, 2013 Midscreen: w[j.A/5A > 5B > 5C > 6D > j.A > 5D] > 5B > 5C > hj.B > j.A > j.B > dj.B > j.C] i Corner: [j.A/5A > 5B > 5C > 6D > j.A > 5D] > 5B > 236A > 2C > j.214B (or tk.214B) > 6C > 3C These are the staple bnbs which give you an idea of how is new wolf combos work. If you're using a stronger confirm, you can do something like this in the corner: w[j.C > 5B > 5C > 6D > j.A > 5D] > 5B > 2C > 6C > 2C > 6B > 2C > 236A > 5B > 2C > j.B > dj.B > j.C Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pegs001 Report post Posted October 30, 2013 Any tips on how to land the w[5C > 6D > j.A > 5D] > 5B.... I just can't do this, is it just practice? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
samthegreat Report post Posted October 30, 2013 Yup. Try inputting the w[... > j.A > 5D] > 5B ... part faster. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pegs001 Report post Posted October 30, 2013 Okay, I can get it sometimes but other times I get a w.5B instead of h.5D > 5B. My button input says that I am doing 5D > 5B. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magaki Report post Posted October 30, 2013 If you get w5B instead, you press 5D way too fast. Try to delay it a bit. You have to press 5D exactly when the wolf lands. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kiba Report post Posted October 30, 2013 I've had more success pressing 5DB (sliding your finger from D to B) after j.A, maybe that'll help you Pegs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pegs001 Report post Posted October 30, 2013 j.A > 5B > 5C > 6D > j.A > 5D > h[5B > 236A > 2C > tk.214B > 6C > 3C > 236B] Can anyone confirm if that Wolf Combo still works? I can't get the 2C to land after 236A Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shyn Report post Posted October 30, 2013 j.A > 5B > 5C > 6D > j.A > 5D > h[5B > 236A > 2C > tk.214B > 6C > 3C > 236B] Can anyone confirm if that Wolf Combo still works? I can't get the 2C to land after 236A That works in the corner, yes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dreize Report post Posted October 30, 2013 Slightly outside of the corner as well, technically. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kakimori Report post Posted October 30, 2013 Since we lost 6B > 3C gatling, what is supposed to be a good followup to blocked 6B now? Do we just have to 5B > whatever? Or is transform the best option? And, uh...is w.B basically just combo filler now? Or does it still function as his second best anti-air after 2C? Kiba, thanks for the combo practice tips. (Midscreen: w[j.A/5A > 5B > 5C > 6D > j.A > 5D] > 5B > 5C > hj.B > j.A > j.B > dj.B > j.C]) I see people looping his w[6D > j.A > j.B > C] or so sometimes, is that just for corner carry and not a BnB? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dreize Report post Posted October 31, 2013 3C was never a particularly good follow-up to a blocked 6B. You can still do 6B > 2B > 5B > 3C. w[5B] is still his best anti-air in my opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magaki Report post Posted October 31, 2013 I agree with w5B but 6B>3C was my first answer towards people who were mashing DPs during blockstring. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites