Koozebanian Fazoob Report post Posted September 1, 2008 Rei is generally assumed to be the best in the game at this point. Toki, Raoh, and Juda all pretty much sit on the Rape tier as well though, they are all pretty equally good at raping the shit out of you. I dunno what the exact way the lower tiers look, but Jagi is the worst in the game, followed by Thouther and then Mamiya. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jabhadouken Report post Posted September 1, 2008 Rei is generally assumed to be the best in the game at this point. Toki, Raoh, and Juda all pretty much sit on the Rape tier as well though, they are all pretty equally good at raping the shit out of you. I dunno what the exact way the lower tiers look, but Jagi is the worst in the game, followed by Thouther and then Mamiya. And yet I still have an absolute blast playing as Zow-za. Scoops are not only 3/4 life, but funny as all fuck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hecatom Report post Posted September 2, 2008 hello, i want to know if there is a way to connect CD in combo with thouther using the fist cancel, i always use boost, but i want to know if is there another way , im trying to learn the good stuff of him, because im tired to play with raoh and ken all the time, and he looks cool Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AtTheGates Report post Posted September 2, 2008 CD isn't *that* important with thouther, just check out recent hige or thouther matches in general. they usually work with 2B into AC or j.214A into \/, AC, stuff like that. thouther is kind of a special case, it seems like you don't need most of his normals at all, the ones that are the most important are 2B, 2C, j.B, j.C. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jabhadouken Report post Posted September 3, 2008 CD isn't *that* important with thouther, just check out recent hige or thouther matches in general. they usually work with 2B into AC or j.214A into \/, AC, stuff like that. thouther is kind of a special case, it seems like you don't need most of his normals at all, the ones that are the most important are 2B, 2C, j.B, j.C. But CD>Scoops/Spear Loop/etc. is soooo good, man! Thouther has one of the better CDs in the game, so why not use it? Everyone's gonna be looking for that 2B anyway - use that CD in his rushdown too. hello, i want to know if there is a way to connect CD in combo with thouther using the fist cancel, i always use boost, but i want to know if is there another way , im trying to learn the good stuff of him, because im tired to play with raoh and ken all the time, and he looks cool I don't know of any way to fist cancel into CD with Thouther - I too boost into it whenever I don't set it up raw. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hecatom Report post Posted September 3, 2008 thanx for the response guys Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Len Momono Report post Posted September 3, 2008 The Tier List i imagine like this: God Tier: Raoh Toki Uppers: Rei Heart Kenshiro Mid/low: Thouther Judah Shin Bottom: Jagi Mamiya Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AtTheGates Report post Posted September 3, 2008 raoh top? lol. have you seen any matchvids in the last 12 months? the tier list got destroyed pretty much, only jagi is noteworthy as being a bit worse than the other chars, apart from that you can win with anyone. see latest matchvids for a jagi winning a tournament and OCVing the teams in the last 3 rounds. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hecatom Report post Posted September 3, 2008 raoh top? lol. have you seen any matchvids in the last 12 months? the tier list got destroyed pretty much, only jagi is noteworthy as being a bit worse than the other chars, apart from that you can win with anyone. see latest matchvids for a jagi winning a tournament and OCVing the teams in the last 3 rounds. so the actual tier list is more like : god of gods rei gods toki, raoh, judah heroes of legends kenshiro astrals thouther, heart, shin, mamiya surprise im in your pants jagui and in terms of surprise, this game turned to be more balanced than sf3s, or im wrong?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Koozebanian Fazoob Report post Posted September 3, 2008 Raoh has been in the top tier at least a few times over the course of the game. Frankly given that pretty much any random hit leads to an infinite, that shouldn't really be a surprize. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tiamat Report post Posted September 3, 2008 rei, toki, raoh, juda, shin, kenshiro, mr heart, thouther, mamiya, jagi That's what I think the tiers are, in order. I think if dribbles were banned, rei would switch with toki and mamiya would switch with jagi, but they are legal so yeah. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jabhadouken Report post Posted September 3, 2008 rei, toki, raoh, juda, shin, kenshiro, mr heart, thouther, mamiya, jagi That's what I think the tiers are, in order. I think if dribbles were banned, rei would switch with toki and mamiya would switch with jagi, but they are legal so yeah. That pretty much sums up my take on the tiers too, Tiamat. Thouther's main problem is being anemic. Otherwise, he'd hang squarely with Shin and Kenshiro, imho. Every time I play this game anymore, it just makes me want to cry - thinking of all the goodness that might have been, given a sequel <sob>. Imagine: "HNK2 - MvC2 character selection goodness". With just that alone, it'd have true staying power... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hecatom Report post Posted September 4, 2008 That pretty much sums up my take on the tiers too, Tiamat. Thouther's main problem is being anemic. Otherwise, he'd hang squarely with Shin and Kenshiro, imho. Every time I play this game anymore, it just makes me want to cry - thinking of all the goodness that might have been, given a sequel <sob>. Imagine: "HNK2 - MvC2 character selection goodness". With just that alone, it'd have true staying power... just imagine all the chars Hokuto Shinken Kenshiro Toki Raoh Nanto Roku Seiken Shin Rei Yuda Shuu Touther Gento Ko Ken Falco Soria Nanto Goshasei Jyuza Fudoh Hokuto Gemmy Shachi Han Hyoh Kaioh Other Ein Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tiamat Report post Posted September 4, 2008 *sigh* makes me want to play HnK again btw jabhadoken your avatar is still boss Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AtTheGates Report post Posted September 4, 2008 i would put kenshiro before juda and heart before shin, otherwise i agree to tiamat's list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Koozebanian Fazoob Report post Posted September 4, 2008 Juda is practically top tier. He has so much insane bullshit and unblockable setups, he can basically run the whole round for free if he gets one good hit in. Kenshiro is good too, but he doesn't have the same level of insane BS. Heart kind of just depends on what version of the game you play and what player side you are on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AtTheGates Report post Posted September 4, 2008 it's true that juda is better than ken on a baisc level, but i see way more bounce combos with ken than juda. the setups for juda seem very hard, even japanese players miss them very often. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hecatom Report post Posted September 5, 2008 Juda is practically top tier. He has so much insane bullshit and unblockable setups, he can basically run the whole round for free if he gets one good hit in. Kenshiro is good too, but he doesn't have the same level of insane BS. Heart kind of just depends on what version of the game you play and what player side you are on. how many versions of hnk are in the market? , im guessing that you are talking about the arcade version and the ps2 version right Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Koozebanian Fazoob Report post Posted September 5, 2008 Yup. There are some big differences between the two, especially for Heart. His throw infinite works on different characters between the two. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jabhadouken Report post Posted September 8, 2008 *sigh* makes me want to play HnK again btw jabhadoken your avatar is still boss Thanks, man! :grin: I've been playing a lil' bit this last week, and the inevitable visions of what could be in a sequel brimmed as unshed tears in my eyes... for a moment I actually thought I saw Shuu get hit by a fast high punch Cross, TK low punch Cross mixup with my Zow-za. Mmmm... 2 speeds of Crosses... ...Shuu... And a third tier of K.O.s. Make it Deadly (same as #1), Mortal (the FTKO in #1), and make Fatal KOs the bloody match ending goodness that they should have been. Maybe they could even make the game play like Vampire Savior, and have characters "come back" with a revitalized star and a second life bar. it's true that juda is better than ken on a baisc level, but i see way more bounce combos with ken than juda. the setups for juda seem very hard, even japanese players miss them very often. Ken can get 80% off of a hit-confirmed two-step toe tap, so yeah, that's ridiculous. ...but what really sets Yuda higher is the unblockable bullshit, as Gwrygyn says. Who cares if some of them miss, when the threat is enough to set another one up, to hit, lol! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maho Report post Posted September 17, 2008 CD isn't *that* important with thouther, just check out recent hige or thouther matches in general. they usually work with 2B into AC or j.214A into \/, AC, stuff like that. thouther is kind of a special case, it seems like you don't need most of his normals at all, the ones that are the most important are 2B, 2C, j.B, j.C. Actually that has just changed like 2 weeks ago, Hige or others Thouther players didn't used it yet in the trf tourneys but there is now known way to do A LOT of damage out of a non raw CD combo with one aura. I did some work on this, here's a vid of some exemples of what i got : http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=m4yPJ0dYd5I I posted explanations on this on the Hokuto forum > http://hokuto.freeforums.org/immortal-phoenix-ver-2-t29.html#303 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jabhadouken Report post Posted September 19, 2008 Actually that has just changed like 2 weeks ago, Hige or others Thouther players didn't used it yet in the trf tourneys but there is now known way to do A LOT of damage out of a non raw CD combo with one aura. I did some work on this, here's a vid of some exemples of what i got : http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=m4yPJ0dYd5I I posted explanations on this on the Hokuto forum > http://hokuto.freeforums.org/immortal-phoenix-ver-2-t29.html#303 Those... ...are sexy as all hell. Too bad that 100% is on Zow-za himself. It ought to be somewhere around [23 hit] scoops damage, yeah? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AtTheGates Report post Posted September 19, 2008 thx maho, always a pleasure seeing your discoveries. keep it up! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hecatom Report post Posted September 22, 2008 Actually that has just changed like 2 weeks ago, Hige or others Thouther players didn't used it yet in the trf tourneys but there is now known way to do A LOT of damage out of a non raw CD combo with one aura. I did some work on this, here's a vid of some exemples of what i got : http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=m4yPJ0dYd5I I posted explanations on this on the Hokuto forum > http://hokuto.freeforums.org/immortal-phoenix-ver-2-t29.html#303 thanx for the video man, this combos looks badass, i will give them a try:kitty: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CakeWasBannedd Report post Posted April 26, 2010 I know the last post in this thread was in 2008 BUT Is there any way I could get the Fatal KO music, Kenshiro's ATATATATA, WA-TA and the announcer saying "Fatal KO"? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites