[FB] EXVSFB Wiki Project

[brett_]

Well first of all, the actual wiki page URLs should use their official (ish) names. I was originally thinking of having the cosmetic link names be different depending on the suit so its easier to see, i.e. Exia, Dynames, Throne Drei, as right now its kinda hard to scroll through the list when theres Gundam A Gundam B Gundam C. Again, not talking about actual link URLs, just the displayed text for the link aka Gundam Double X should always be http://www.dustloop.com/wiki/index.php?title=Gundam_Double_X_(EXVSFB)

 

It's not a big deal, but what are people's thoughts? 

[Lockedge]

I think it would probably be best to do that Brett.

 

Also this is the navbar page that you guys can edit after figuring out on how the names should be dealt with.

 

http://www.dustloop.com/wiki/index.php?title=Template:Navbar-EXVSFB

[burgerkong]

I second Brett's suggestion, it looks a lot cleaner if every suit doesn't have "Gundam" included in its name :P

 

I'd recommend just using the names they use in the JP wikis.  They're usually pretty simple & reliable, though there are some exceptions (I believe they use "Dog" and "Tank" for LaGOWE and Hildolfr).

 

Would people be OK if I clear the navbar of suits that don't have pages yet?  It's really inconsistent and cluttered right now, and is missing suits like Gottrlatan & Wing Zero Custom which do have pages.

 

Also, does anyone know why the 2500 list only has 3 columns as opposed to 4?  Just wondering, since it seems odd to me.  The wikitext looks identical, so I dunno what it could be.  

 

Also, maybe it's just me being nitpicky, but would a row-orientation be more logical?  To me it just makes more sense to read the suits from left to right in chronological order.

 

Edit: Currently working on Wing Zero (Quatre).  Take a look!

[Lockedge]

Would people be OK if I clear the navbar of suits that don't have pages yet?  It's really inconsistent and cluttered right now, and is missing suits like Gottrlatan & Wing Zero Custom which do have pages.

 

There is no point to remove suits that don't have pages since it will update once someone creates a page assuming no one changes the url name. Gottrlatan wasn't on the intial list and the reason why Wing Zero (EW) isn't updated on the navbar is because the URL is for Wing Zero Custom.

[burgerkong]

There is no point to remove suits that don't have pages since it will update once someone creates a page assuming no one changes the url name. Gottrlatan wasn't on the intial list and the reason why Wing Zero (EW) isn't updated on the navbar is because the URL is for Wing Zero Custom.

 

kk, I guess I'll leave the navbar be then.

 

Wing Zero (Quatre) is pretty much done.

[Tari]

I'm going to suggest color-coding DLC suits in the navbar/etc. Not sure what color to use, but I think it might be a nice touch. Any opinions on this?

I'd recommend just using the names they use in the JP wikis.  They're usually pretty simple & reliable, though there are some exceptions (I believe they use "Dog" and "Tank" for LaGOWE and Hildolfr).

Not sure what gave you the impression that they don't use suit names, but the JP wiki quite accurately lists every suit by their name. Shorthand names aren't used in the suit lists.

[burgerkong]

I'm going to suggest color-coding DLC suits in the navbar/etc. Not sure what color to use, but I think it might be a nice touch. Any opinions on this?

Not sure what gave you the impression that they don't use suit names, but the JP wiki quite accurately lists every suit by their name. Shorthand names aren't used in the suit lists.

 

Whoops my bad, you're right.  That's how they refer to them in the page itself LOL, I misremembered.

 

And yeah, that sounds like a good suggestion.

 

As an aside, I've started on Crossbone X3, and I need help translating one of the notes in his cancel routes:

 

※開放時は特格→空撃ちメインでも落下可 前格→下格

 

If anyone can help me with this, feel free to edit the page directly, or respond in this thread.  Thanks!

[shtkn]

is the DLC mark necessary? BBCP doesn't have it. not sure why it's important for gundam

[Tari]

is the DLC mark necessary? BBCP doesn't have it. not sure why it's important for gundam

It's not necessary, I just thought it'd be nice to differentiate, since the assumption is that we'll have quite a bit of DLC for this game, not just one or two. I guess I just don't see a reason not to color code it?

[burgerkong]

So, I started on Sazabi's wiki page, and I need help with the Charge Shot section that Sazabi has.

 

If anyone could please help me out with this translation I'd greatly appreciate it!

 

• 小ジャンアチャキャン

入力：ジャンプボタン→BD受付猶予中にジャンプボタン&格闘ボタン→CS 

[adn]

So, I started on Sazabi's wiki page, and I need help with the Charge Shot section that Sazabi has.

 

If anyone could please help me out with this translation I'd greatly appreciate it!

 

• 小ジャンアチャキャン

入力：ジャンプボタン→BD受付猶予中にジャンプボタン&格闘ボタン→CS 

 

Did a little research, this technique seems to be demonstrated in this video at :52 http://youtu.be/yml0Un6o_N0?t=52s

 

アチャキャンとは...アシストをチャージショット(CS)でキャンセルすることを言­います。

アチャキャン (Achakyan) = Cancelling your assist into charge shot without your assist ever actually activating?

 

小ジャンプアチャキャンはBDした瞬間にﾀﾀﾝ!!とアチャキャンをやる感じです。

小ジャンプアチャキャン = While boost dashing, doing a small jump and instantly cancelling your assist into charge shot as soon as you hear the "tatan!" of the charge completion.

 

I just tried it, It seems to be very finicky and I'm not sure what the benefit of it is, he seems to just say his dialogue he says when he normally summons his assist, except he doesn't summon it. In the video it does look like it launches him diagonally toward the ground though.

 

edit: misread the sentence, fixed

[burgerkong]

Did a little research, this technique seems to be demonstrated in this video at :52 http://youtu.be/yml0Un6o_N0?t=52s

 

アチャキャンとは...アシストをチャージショット(CS)でキャンセルすることを言­います。

アチャキャン (Achakyan) = Cancelling your assist into charge shot without your assist ever actually activating?

 

小ジャンプアチャキャンはBDした瞬間にﾀﾀﾝ!!とアチャキャンをやる感じです。

小ジャンプアチャキャン = While boost dashing, doing a small jump and instantly cancelling your assist into charge shot as soon as you hear the "tatan!" of the charge completion.

 

Thanks adn, I'll add it in.  Sazabi's page should be pretty much done.

 

If anyone who plays X3 can help me better understand BC, I'd greatly appreciate it.  The discussion thread states that it can only block beams, but the wiki says it can block stuff like Tobia assist (I think...) so I'm not sure.

 

Here's a line from the wiki that is underneath the list of stuff it can/partially/can't block.  It is somewhat long however:

 

防げる射撃であっても格闘アシストやブーメラン、ファング等は攻撃を防いだ後にも本体が残っているため、 突き抜けたあと自機のそばで停滞したり、IF終了時に攻撃判定が残っていると被弾する場合がある。

 

Sorry for the trouble, and thanks in advance.

[akai_GO]

I've started the FAZZ page.

[brett_]

@burger: the jp says it does defend against certain non-projectile attacks like boomerangs, certain melee assists, and fangs, but if the hitbox on those attacks still lingers beyond the i-field active frames you can get hit.

 

I'm also thinking about making a list of suits that have been worked on and ones that haven't been touched so if people want to work on things they know where to go.

[burgerkong]

OK, thanks brett!

 

Feel free to add the completed/incomplete pages to the front page?  I dunno where else to put it that's easily accessible, aside from maybe making a whole new thread.

[burgerkong]

Almost done The O, feel free to check it out.

 

Started on Ez8 in the meantime, and I need help with a translation regarding his 5AC Hover Truck assist:

 

ただし弾の誘導自体はそこまで良くなく低空の自由落下をギリギリ取れるか取れないかくらい。

 

And

 

なおガンガン時代とは違い射角が存在するようで、セルフカットで出しても明後日の方向を射撃する事がある。

 

Thanks in advance

[akai_GO]

Do we want to put a section for videos in these pages?? Or do we want to relegate that to the discussion threads?

[akai_GO]

ただし弾の誘導自体はそこまで良くなく低空の自由落下をギリギリ取れるか取れないかくらい。

 

"However, the bullet's personal tracking up to "there" (not sure what the sentence before this was) has a poorly low ceiling and may or may not freefall right at the end"...

 

 

なおガンガン時代とは違い射角が存在するようで、

セルフカットで出しても明後日の方向を射撃する事がある。

 

It should be noted there seems to be a differing firing angle with the "Gungun" period? and

even if self-cut it has a "day after tomorrow" direction of firing lol.

 

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and assume this means "shooting into the distance"??

[brett_]

Do we want to put a section for videos in these pages?? Or do we want to relegate that to the discussion threads?

 

If you want to include video footage of that suit in the wiki page, you can go for it for now, don't see why not.

 

 

ただし弾の誘導自体はそこまで良くなく低空の自由落下をギリギリ取れるか取れないかくらい。

"However, the bullet's personal tracking up to "there" (not sure what the sentence before this was) has a poorly low ceiling and may or may not freefall right at the end"...

 

"However, the tracking on the bullets themselves isn't that good - enough that if they're free falling from a low altitude, it may or may not punish the landing."

取る here refers to 着地を取る aka landing punishes.

 

なおガンガン時代とは違い射角が存在するようで、

セルフカットで出しても明後日の方向を射撃する事がある。

 

It should be noted there seems to be a differing firing angle with the "Gungun" period? and

even if self-cut it has a "day after tomorrow" direction of firing lol.

 

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and assume this means "shooting into the distance"??

 

ガンガン most likely refers to Gundam VS Gundam.

セルフカットで出しても - even if you summon it as a self-cut / even if you use it with self-cut timing / etc

明後日の方向を射撃する - fire in a completely unrelated direction

[burgerkong]

Thanks akai and brett.

 

Sorry for being quiet for so long, but I've been working on this in my free time between studying for the MCAT.

 

I have wiki pages lined up for Xi, Banshee, and Kshatriya (units I've become partial to now that I have the game :P) so I'll be doing those.

 

If anyone has any requests, feel free to ask here or message me, otherwise I'll just do them in order of my own personal interest.

[brett_]

It's okay - i've been a bit too busy to be focusing on this too, but i should get around to having the WIP / Completed / Untouched suits list soon

[LukewarmHoliday]

Can I be "that guy" and argue against BDb notation, I know its obvious to most of us to hold 8 during the input but when you're completely new it will save a tiny bit of pain.

 

cc8b or BD8b is fine.  But I know I used to be completely retarded reading combo notation and I know that would have confused me when I was practicing combos.

[brett_]

I've actually never seen BD B. I generally say BD Melee due to BD格 or ブー格. cc8b simply bothers me personally because its always written in lower case and I prefer upper case for proper notation, just looks more professional. I also think using cc to represent a boost dash just bothers me because you never see it used that way anywhere else in exvs notation aside from for the BD Melee. Lastly I just want to get as far away from pre-EXVS notation, because its generally awful (4/6b, origination, etc). 

 

Though I'm more okay with BD8B than cc8b, it still looks like something that technically could be an actual 8B - there's nothing in that name that really implies its actually its own separate move, unlike BD Melee.

 

Did I mention origination?

[burgerkong]

I used BDB since some of the other threads used it, and I'm lazy.  I'm fine with switching it to BD8B if you guys really want, Ctrl+F solves that problem pretty easily.

 

And I'm fine for using "origination", instead of "derivation", I just used it since it was the Japanese translation :P

 

EDIT: Whoops, misread lol.  @brett, if you decide on a specific terminology to use, let me know!

[akai_GO]

I too use a lot of BDb admittedly because it's just faster and feels a little cleaner to me XD but I'll do whatever we make a consensus on.

 

Isn't there supposed to be (or going to be) a page that explicitly lists all the shorthand notation of the game and pages?