Skye Report post Posted September 1, 2014 Elizabeth Tools Minazuki Tools Neutral summary Offense summary Defense summary Oki summary Ratio -/- Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RifleAvenger Report post Posted October 27, 2014 I'm having problems keeping up pressure on Liz. Her 2B stuffs throws, 2A, jump canceling things, jumping, and extends pretty far into 5A range (so it's hard to make it whiff entirely). Just constantly doing 5A pressure only goes so far, and there's other answers to that. If I block it like baiting DP, she starts her own pressure. Going into a longer string and doing other frametraps steadily loses advantage if they just block, I'm really stumped; it's super frustrating. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kikuichimonji Report post Posted October 27, 2014 I'm having problems keeping up pressure on Liz. Her 2B stuffs throws, 2A, jump canceling things, jumping, and extends pretty far into 5A range (so it's hard to make it whiff entirely). Just constantly doing 5A pressure only goes so far, and there's other answers to that. If I block it like baiting DP, she starts her own pressure. Going into a longer string and doing other frametraps steadily loses advantage if they just block, I'm really stumped; it's super frustrating. AoA, abuse SB rekka to get back in whenever you feel like it, just do raw D teleport if she's trying to do wakeup buttons. Seriously this sounds dumb but it's a good way to make people actually care about what you're doing as compared to them just mashing. Jump cancelling 2B/5B into immediate j.b is a scrubby way to try to continue the blockstrings, but they can 2B it once they're used to it. Really though 5A should really shut down any desire on their part to hit anything as ridiculous as wakeup 2B. I will literally do dashing 5A five times in a row sometimes if they are content to block. You can even mix up with 5AA, it's only -1 as well. If they're willing to block after that, just throw a Survival Knife and get in. There are no frame traps for Minazuki better than 5A -> 5A in most situations. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RifleAvenger Report post Posted October 27, 2014 Thanks for the advice, I'll think about it. Maybe the people I'm playing just have me read, since it seems like they always know when to do the 2B vs getting hit by a 5A. AoA, abuse SB rekka to get back in whenever you feel like it, just do raw D teleport if she's trying to do wakeup buttons. Seriously this sounds dumb but it's a good way to make people actually care about what you're doing as compared to them just mashing. Jump cancelling 2B/5B into immediate j.b is a scrubby way to try to continue the blockstrings, but they can 2B it once they're used to it. Really though 5A should really shut down any desire on their part to hit anything as ridiculous as wakeup 2B. I will literally do dashing 5A five times in a row sometimes if they are content to block. You can even mix up with 5AA, it's only -1 as well. If they're willing to block after that, just throw a Survival Knife and get in. There are no frame traps for Minazuki better than 5A -> 5A in most situations. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xlolxlolx Report post Posted October 27, 2014 its pretty risky for her to do anything at all against minazuki when he's in 5a range, one confirm and she loses over half life Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guymam Report post Posted October 29, 2014 You can counter 5C 5D, and Scream. At Safe 5B range for Liz, you can Wave super if you can react. The true secret scumbag fuck Liz strat is reversal 5B her strings. First hit will break the persona, second hit will hit Liz. If she isn't careful on spacing, show her why she's a shit character and you're not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RifleAvenger Report post Posted November 4, 2014 The true secret scumbag fuck Liz strat is reversal 5B her strings. First hit will break the persona, second hit will hit Liz. If she isn't careful on spacing, show her why she's a shit character and you're not.How does this work? Wouldn't you get frametrapped? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OmnixTSC Report post Posted November 4, 2014 How does this work? Wouldn't you get frametrapped? It depends entirely on what string the Liz uses. It's not something I'd recommend doing, though, as most of her staggers kill any reversal mashing outside of 5A/2As and DP. Minazuki's 5B isn't fast enough to try to get out of staggers with it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites