HeWhoRocksAlot Report post Posted September 28, 2014 Let's talk tiers and compare some of the past notable GGXrd tier list from this year:Guilty Gear Xrd -SIGN--Ver. 1.01- Arcadia's GGXrd tier list S Zato-1, Faust A Ky, Sol, Chipp, Millia, May B All other characters C Potemkin Nemo's GGXrd tier listEveryone can see that they're strong: Zato, FaustStill pretty strong: Sol, Ky, Millia, MayAverage: Axl, Chipp, I-No, BedmanWhat a shame: Slayer, VenomGoodbye: Potemkin-Ver. 1.02- Ogawa's GGXrd tier list S Zato, Chipp, Faust A Ky, Sol, Millia, May, Ramlethal(projected) B Everyone else Machaboo’s GGXrd tier list S Zato, Sol, Faust, Millia A Chipp, Ky, May, Axl B I-No, Slayer, Bedman, Ramlethal C Venom D Potemkin-Ver. 1.03- JT’s GGXrd tier list S Sol, Faust, Zato A Ramlethal, Chipp, Ky B I-No, Axl, Slayer, Millia, May, Venom C Bedman, Potemkin FAB’s GGXrd tier list S Zato, Faust, Sol A Millia, Ramlethal, Chipp B Ky, May, Axl, I-No C Venom, Slayer, Bedman D Potemkin-Ver. 1.04- Kiisha’s GGXrd tier list S Sol, Zato, Faust, Ramlethal S- Chipp, Millia A Ky, May, Axl, Slayer B Bedman, I-No, Venom C Potemkin Woshige's GGXrd tier list (*Note: He mention that he has not had much experience against Zato-1 and Axl Low ) S Faust, Millia, Chipp Zanuff, Ramlethal, Zato-One A Sol, Ky B I-No, Slayer, Venom, Potemkin, Bedman, May C Axl-Low Ogawa's GGXrd tier list S Millia, Zato, Faust, Ramlethal A I-No, Sol=Ky, Chipp=Venom B Everyone else Efute's GGXrd tier list S Faust, Millia, Ram, A Chipp, Sol, Zato, Ky B Bedman, Ino, May, Venom, Slayer, Axl, Pot-Console Ver. 1.04- Ogawa's GGXrd tier list S Zato > Millia A+ Ramlethal > Elphelt > Faust A I-no=Venom=Sol=Ky B+ Rest Sharon's GGXrd tier list S Milia, Zato, Ramlethal, Faust, Elphelt A Sol, I-No, Venom, Sin, Ky, Chipp B Other (May and Bedman) C Slayer, Axl, Potemkin ? Leo Woshige's GGXrd tier list S Zato, Millia, Faust, Ramlethal, Elphelt A Sol, Ky, Chipp, I-No B May, Venom, Bedman, Sin, Axl, Leo, Potemkin, Slayer-Ver. 1.10 / Console Ver. 1.05- Ogawa's GGXrd tier list S Sol, Milia, Zato, Axl, Faust, Sin, Elphelt A Ky, May, Chipp, I-No, Bedman, Leo B Venom, Slayer, Ramlethal C Potemkin Sharon's GGXrd tier list S Sol, Millia, Zato, Axl, Faust, Sin, Elphelt, I-No A Ky, May, Chipp, Slayer, Bedman, Leo, Venom B Ramlethal C Potemkin FAB's GGXrd tier list S+ Zato, Millia S Elphelt, Faust, Axl A Sol, Ky, Chipp, Sin B I-No, May, Venom, Leo, Bedman, Slayer, Ramlethal C Potemkin Koichi's GGXrd tier list S Zato-1, Faust, Sol A+ Milia A Ky, Elphelt, Bedman, Sin B Chipp, Leo, Axl, Venom C+ I-No, Slayer, Potemkin C May, Ramlethal Dogura's GGXrd tier list S Elphelt, Zato-1, Bedman A+ Chipp, Sin, Milia A Ky, Sol, Slayer, I-No, Faust B May, Axl, Venom C Ramlethal, Leo D Potemkin Nage's GGXrd tier listHard to use but the strongest character: Millia, Zato-1Considerably strong: Elphelt, Faust, SolSufficiently strong: Ky, May, Axl, Chipp, Sin, Bedman, I-No, VenomCharacters that have destructive power off of one attack: Leo, Ramlethal, Slayer, Potemkin Guilty Gear Xrd -REVELATOR--Ver. 1.02- FAB's GGXrdR tier list S+ Zato-1, Millia S Elphelt, Faust, Axl, Sol A Ky, Chipp, Sin, Johnny B Jack-O, Leo, I-No, May, Bedman C Venom, Slayer, Ramlethal D Potemkin -Ver. 1.03- eSportsRunner's GGXrdR Tier List S Johnny A Sol, Ky, Millia, Zato, Chipp, Bedman, Sin, Elphelt, Jack-O B May, Potemkin, Faust, Axl, Venom, Slayer, I-No, Ramlethal, Leo C Jam As a general disclaimer: Tiers are not the end all of skill. The person playing the character and their ability with that character generally plays a greater role than tiers alone. Tiers list are worth examining so we can better learn what makes strong characters strong and safe characters safe. All pro players already know that player skill is far more important than character strength. Since differences do exist, tier list are made to understand them. The game is still young, so the Xrd tier is constantly changing and will most likely change over all. None of that "tiers list are B.S." stuff in here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D.R.F. Report post Posted September 28, 2014 Well shit beat me to it lol. Also just as a basis to my standing on the relative strengths of the characters woshige's list is probably where I stand on the subject. (And even then Its kinda meh because of his lack of exp. On Zato and Axl) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king of heart Report post Posted September 28, 2014 This thread should wait until December. Even thou I don't want to be rude but I will keep hearing many immature opinions due the very low level compared to japan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BladeOfJustice7 Report post Posted September 28, 2014 ^With that said, I still think Sol is slightly better than Ky. Everything else in the tier lists makes sense to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anne Report post Posted September 28, 2014 This thread should wait until December.Even thou I don't want to be rude but I will keep hearing many immature opinions due the very low level compared to japan.The opinions already exist in the general thread anyways, you can never, ever escape opinions no matter where you go. If opinions get wild and people say silly shit, you can correct them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Henaki Report post Posted September 28, 2014 One other thing to consider: Tier lists measure character power differences at the highest level of skill. This means that at lower levels of play, skill barriers and caps are extremely important toward power. For example, Potemkin and Ky are relatively straightforward, easy to grasp characters with few situations in which they require lots of nuance. Someone like Zato not only has to know how to do what he wants to do (difficult inputs), he also has to make more complex decisions because he has more variables to consider at any one given time. This means that characters like Potemkin and Ky will be much better at lower levels of play as a lesser skilled player can do a higher % of things FAB or Ain could do, as opposed to the same level of player picking up Zato, they would be able to do a smaller % of things Ogawa can do. This is commonly why bad players complain about stuff like fireballs and grapplers. qualities of characters that possess lower skill caps. So if you play a bunch of Pots online and get wrecked or whatever, the Potemkin players could be as good as you, perhaps even worse players, and still win because of this. Anyway my general impressions of the game are: any character can win, really. You might not want to pick the bottom tier, but we live in AMERICA land of the FREE so I'll probably end up getting top 4 a lot by playing like a fucking moron like I did with Tager back in the day. So don't worry too much about your character's power unless you plan on winning evo or something I guess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shrapnel Report post Posted November 15, 2014 Poor Potemkin constantly crawling in the bottom rank. On the other hand sort of happy to see not only Venom will be playable but also assumed to be quite strong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D.R.F. Report post Posted November 15, 2014 I wouldn't say constantly. As much as it irks me to watch him struggle he is still a very competent character and more players are starting to get the hang of him, not just FAB and Consome. It is a big uphill battle for him though... I personally think Axl is worse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yukikaze Report post Posted November 15, 2014 No matchup chart? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeadlyCreampuff Report post Posted November 15, 2014 No matchup chart? I really hope the console version has a matchup chart like the arcade does, just compiling every match ever(though probably ignoring offline matches :3. I'd also be interested if it would compile a matchup chart of all the matches of top 10 players of every character but that might be a bit too much too ask. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mumm-Ra Report post Posted November 16, 2014 It'd be awesome if they gave us an option like that, with filters to search the matchup charts of high risk players or something online. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MasterXDrake Report post Posted November 16, 2014 Poor Potemkin.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TITANIUM BEAST!!! Report post Posted November 17, 2014 Why do people feel sorry for Potemkin? Grapplers are mad annoying when they're good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sanger Zonvolt Report post Posted November 17, 2014 Why do people feel sorry for Potemkin? Grapplers are mad annoying when they're good. You're saying grappler players don't deserve a good character? When like 90% of them are bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D.R.F. Report post Posted November 17, 2014 Pots always been a decent grappler. Just not now, where he works super hard now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
XXXDC Report post Posted November 17, 2014 I wouldn't say constantly. As much as it irks me to watch him struggle he is still a very competent character and more players are starting to get the hang of him, not just FAB and Consome. It is a big uphill battle for him though... I personally think Axl is worse. Potemkin is looking way better now than before, but honestly, most of the time when you see a non FAB/Konsome Pot fighting against a good player, you know they will lose... i also think Axl, Slayer and May are weak. But off course in the end my judgement is based solely on the few videos i've seen, there might be a lot more going on behind the scenes in jap arcades. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D.R.F. Report post Posted November 17, 2014 Slayers do real well when they make the most out of his movement options. That is why I wouldn't call him weak. There are also a multitude of Mays that do fine competitively. That brings me back to why I believe Pot and Axl are not as strong (not necesarilly weak, just weaker) there are not as many successful Pots and definitely not as many successful Axls (but hey we arent over there, so we will never truely know untill Dec.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TITANIUM BEAST!!! Report post Posted November 17, 2014 Dunno where you would get the impression that May is weak. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
XXXDC Report post Posted November 17, 2014 Dunno where you would get the impression that May is weak. And i also dunno where you would get the impression that May is strong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orrax Report post Posted November 17, 2014 Claiming that May isn't weak does not automatically imply that she's strong. She can be somewhere in between as well (which is where I think she is). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TITANIUM BEAST!!! Report post Posted November 17, 2014 It's as if a character has to be S tier to not be considered weak. May is B at worst, IMO, and she gets put into A tier pretty frequently. She's definitely better than Axl, at least. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
XXXDC Report post Posted November 17, 2014 And that's not were i think she is. Her only saving grace in Xrd is ensenga for guaranteed knockdown + slightly decent oki and set-ups thanks to beach ball and new applause mechanics. But in exchange she apparently lost her HIGH damage output + dizzy potential, and those were her bigger threats post #R. Basically feels like we're back to X days or #reload days but with less damage. Oh and i also fail to see multitude of Mays doing fine competitively. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TITANIUM BEAST!!! Report post Posted November 17, 2014 Shrug we don't see most of the tournament footage in Japan. Just because we don't have video proof from the two or three arcades that stream to twitch and Youtube doesn't mean that the character isn't doing well competitively. If anything, the lack of May footage is a general issue. There's just not enough available info to say the character is weak or strong from our perspective because you just don't get much May footage to work with. The footage that I have seen makes her look pretty decent, IMO. Her damage is still pretty good and her offensive options seem better/more varied. She may not be top tier, but she seems fine to me. Shouldn't be so quick to say a character is "weak", there's a difference between a character being weak and a strong character being among other strong characters. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D.R.F. Report post Posted November 17, 2014 Kedako, Ruu, Efute, Asezuke(hope I didn't butcher his name), Kazuki, just to name a few. She definitely is not Ramlethal or Zato, but she is competent in her right and I see good Mays get rewarded. Damage in general has changed and you are right, she doesn't smack people across the screen stun-wise like before. In exchange for that, she has gotten more utility, and (IMHO) that helps her in the long run more. Besides it seems everyone in this game (and GG in general) has pretty decent damage, notable exceptions in Xrd being Venom (never did a lot), Bedman (damage is on the lower side), and Millia (thank god btw). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stellarcircle5 Report post Posted November 17, 2014 May just seems solid overall. Nothing about her seems absurd, but when you consider that most lists place her next to stronger characters like Chipp (I swear he would be S if more people used him, character is nuts) and Ky, I don't see where anyone could get the impression that she's weak. You could be doing a whole lot worse than her. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites