[P4AU] Margaret vs. Elizabeth

[Fortune]

Please use this thread to discuss and contribute to the Margaret matchup against Elizabeth. This post will be updated as members contribute. (Sisterly Love!)

 

The Neutral Game

Long Range

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Mid Range

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Close Range

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Offense

Margaret's Offensive Options

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Elizabeth's Offensive Options

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Defense

Margaret's Defensive Options

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Elizabeth's Defensive Options

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Match Summary

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[JYaham95]

Not sure if anyone else has found this or tried it but can the AoA be used to punish Elizabeth? I know the move is incredibly slow (42 frames startup?) and should be used sparingly if at all in matches but I was playing against a few Elizabeths and noticed that during thier block string 5C>5C>5D the AoA can catch Elizabeth and evade Thanatos grab. This is the case for a blocked Mabufudyne and a Maragidyne at full screen due the move being active for a long time. But I haven't properly tested it yet or am I sure if it's consistent but it's something I noticed and thought I'd put it out there for other people's opinions.

[Fortune]

You can use AoA to whiff punish obvious/slow fullscreen attacks in certain situations when it leaves them as a sitting duck in startup or recovery. Common things are Yukari ground Feather Arrow startup, Aigis Goddess Shield after rolling it, Yukiko being overreliant on ground fan zoning.

It's not a bad choice to use in that situation, but just as a friendly reminder that they can't throw fullscreen attacks for free. We can't just throw it out either since it's dangerous on recovery.

Luckily, Margaret has multiple ways of doing this by special canceling attacks that strike Thanatos into 236C.

The thing with simpler 5C Liz strings is being ready to guess/react to 5D/j.D / 2C / Bufu / OMC 5C x n again.

Just like Margaret, Liz should only be doing 5D at a distance. If she just mindlessly does 5D reset attempts in your face, you can possibly react with 5C or just B Power Slash and she'll likely die right on the spot probably without even OMC.

5C and 2C can give a lot of blockstun, and 2C armors through Power Slash versions and either should probably hit AOA in startup. There's also considering her Awakened variants, which vary on startup and blockstun so keep that in mind for the moment (as I make the new threads in the new subforum)