Vyers

So I was mistaken, thank you for taking the time to explain startup in more detail; I understand it much better now. I agree that the convention of overlapping the first startup frame and first active frame is counter-intuitive (I was certainly confused by it), but I understand your point that converting all frame data to separate the last startup frame from the first active frame would be a pain for everyone used to the current convention. The other reason I was confused about startup, is because the frame data for the previous two iterations of Guilty Gear lists throw startup as "-" not "1". Since "-" means "0" or "NA" in its other uses within the frame data, I assumed that a throw startup of "-" meant "0". As a result, I believed that startup and active frames did not overlap, because it doesn't make sense for a move to have 0-frames of startup if a move's last frame of startup is also its first active frame. Perhaps they changed the way throw startup is listed from "-" to "1" from Guilty Gear AC+R's frame data to Guilty Gear Xrd's frame data, in order to more clearly reflect the game and avoid this sort of confusion.

- Maybe I'm mistaken, but I've always thought a move's startup frames were the number of frames that take place between the game recieving an input (direction, button, combination) and the move becoming active. From this frame of mind, a move that has no start up (thus activating immediately) has 0-frames of startup, and a move that takes 1 frame to activate has 1-frame of startup, animation or not. If you take a look at the frame data for Sol's normal throw in AC/+R it's start up is listed as "-" (which I always interpreted as 0), whereas in Xrd's frame data his throw startup is listed as "1". Perhaps I was wrong to interpret "-" startup as 0-frames, and it actually meant 1-frame; but, that would be misleading of the data, because moves that have "-" listed under parameters such as Static Difference, have a value of either 0 or NA. - Touche. I have trouble feeling the difference between 9 and 6 without returning to neutral. When I go for 96H, I often either don't go far enough ending up with 9H, or go too far ending up with 963H; It seems I wrote off 96H as a viable possibilty, because of the trouble I've had executing it. If doing 96H consistently isn't a problem, than it is the better option since you can get an airthrow lower with 96H than 94H (or at least have more time to complete your input to get an air-throw of the same height).

Overal a good primer for throws in Xrd, but there are a few things that I'd like to point out: - Not every character's 6P has upper body invul (Elphelt's is an overhead with no invul). - Not every character's 5H is a close range move (again Elphelt's is her longest range normal, and a dangerous option up close) - The frame data lists throws as having 1-frame of startup in Xrd although they still work against meaties on wakeup. I figure either the frame-data's off or the startup is strike invul. - I think it's worth pointing out that, in the case of forward and backward jumps, low air throws are much easier to execute by inputing your throw in the direction opposite from which you jump, because it prevents you from accidentally instant air dashing (9>4H or 7>6H versus 9>6H or 7>4H).

So it turns out that air to air j.S > j.D or j.D can combo into c.S without a roman cancel early in combos (if you're at the right height). In corner: No meter) AirDash or Jump forward > j.S > j.D > Land > c.S > JumpCancel > j.S > JumpCancel > j.S > j.D > 236K 161 Damage (vs Sol) 50% meter) AirDash or Jump forward > j.S > j.D > Land > c.S > JumpCancel > j.D > RedRC > AirDash > j.S > j.D > Land > c.S > JumpCancel > j.S > JumpCancel > j.S > j.D > 236K 184 Damage (vs Sol)

Elphelt has a dustloop. Might not be an efficient use of meter though. Near Corner only. 50% meter single Rep Anti Air: c.S > JumpCancel> j.D > RedRC > AirDash > j.S >j.D > Land > c.S > JumpCancel > j.S > JumpCancel > j.S > J.D > 236K 159 Damage (vs Sol) If you start this combo against an opponent really low to the ground, you can fit an extra j.S before the first j.D for an extra 10 damage (169) 100% meter two rep anti air: c.S > JumpCancel> j.D > RedRC > AirDash > j.S > j.D > Land > c.S > JumpCancel > j.D > RedRC > AirDash > j.S > j.D > Land > c.S > JumpCancel > j.S > J.D > 236K 181 Damage (vs Sol) (Probably not worth the meter unless the extra damage will finish your opponent) 50% meter two rep Air to AIr (j.D Start): j.D > RedRC > AirDash > j.S > j.D > Land > c.S > JumpCancel > j.S > Jump Cancel > j.S > j.D > 236K 149 Damage (vs Sol) 100% meter two rep Air to AIr (j.D Start): j.D > RedRC > AirDash > j.S > j.D > Land > c.S > JumpCancel > j.D > RedRC > AirDash > j.S > j.D > Land > c.S > JumpCancel > j.S > J.D > 236K 176 Damage (vs Sol) You can also start it up with j.S, but your opponent has to be lower in air compared to j.D (by this I mean lower relative to you not neccessarily lower to the ground) 50% meter two rep Air to AIr (j.S Start): j.S > j.D > RedRC > AirDash > j.S > j.D > Land > c.S > JumpCancel > j.S > Jump Cancel > j.S > j.D > 236K 159 Damage (vs Sol) 100% meter two rep Air to AIr (j.S Start): J.S > j.D > RedRC > AirDash > j.S > j.D > Land > c.S > JumpCancel > j.D > RedRC > AirDash > j.S > j.D > Land > c.S > JumpCancel > j.S > J.D > 236K 181 Damage (vs Sol) Edit: I tested this dustloop out on other characters; all versions work on everyone (except maybe Sin and Leo White who I don’t have yet). The two-rep j.S starter version is significantly harder to finish on most characters. Easy (normal weight and a large hit box): Slayer Normal: Sol, Ky, I-no, Axl, Ramlethal Light Weight Slightly hard (You have to wait a bit before popping them back up with c.S or else the following j.D or j.S > j.H will whiff): May, Elphelt, Chipp Lightweight extremely hard (Like other lightweights but harder due to being floatier and/or having a smaller hitbox): Millia Weird hitbox slightly hard (Like with the lightweights, you need to wait a bit before popping him back up with c.S, otherwise j.D will whiff): Faust Weird Hitbox extremely hard (Extremely hard to finish all two-rep combos due to a very vertically narrow hitbox): Venom Heavyweight (Single rep versions are much harder to finish; there’s probably a longer variant that will work better on them): Bedman, Potemkin

Does this have to be a family member, or can I babysit my underage friends?

Sounds like this'll be the place to go for casuals Friday Night.

Preregistered so I'm officially coming. See you all next week.

Is there any chance of Guilty Gear teams?

DaiAndOh, thank you sir for running this tournament and starting the pot bonus hype train. You put a ton of time and money in this and I as well as the rest of NE appreciate it. Drew: GGs taking me out in tourney and MM Steve H.: You're Ky is too good. Iora: GGs. Basic Baiken advice: Heavyslash moves are dangerous in pressure strings. Baikens are made for throwing. Greek: Nice to meet you. I thought I had you in the 3rd game but you did a wonderful job adapting and almost ran it back. Baikens are made for throwing. RIl: Good to see you again. I enjoyed watching your casuals vs Steve H. Millia mixups are mighty fine. I have this bad habit of losing the count when I get too focused, apologies if I came across as trying to sneak an ill-gotten victory. Our match was a lot of fun. I value your commitment to Ino, for she is a character so rarely seen. A3Religion: GGs. I need to get my TK youzansen, and anti-tick skills back. Asian Dave/ Dave Chen: I didn't think you were coming, glad you made it! Ensenga: I havn't seen you in forever. You might find it amusing that my Trenchcoat is actually a remnant of an old Johnny Cosplay. Maybe some tourney I'll bring it back. Star Demon: I hope you found our conversation insightful. If you have any questions about Baiken stuff drop me a pm and I'll answer to the best of my ability. St!ickBuG: Holy fuck did you level up. Mahouko: You're Bridget was the hypest part of this tournament. I regret that we didn't play. Bring back the cosplay. Thanks to DaiAndOh Brokentier Nazgul and Sogos for building the giant pot snowball. I think we had a record number of Johnny's at GM, saw at least 4. I bet you're all pumped for the fixes in AC R. I'm very glad to see so many people getting into/ back into GG now that the new ports are out, but I'm sad at the problems they present. It feels like there is a speed/lag difference between PS2/PS3/360 versions. I wish there was only one system used like in the previous generation. Also, fuck Sony of America. Apologies to everyone (mostly NE) exposed to Vyers' brand salt.