Zidane

@dream maker: on my phone so I can't post I'm depth as I want / can't have your post to look at while I post. You can't always confirm 2S into 2D or 2S into a combo afterwards but watching the video I got the feeling that it was pretty much impossible. It's not the easiest but the confirms off these pokes are possible and lead into huge damage + knockdown. Watching the vid I got the impression that Anji throws out meh buttons and prays that he gets a knockdown to run unstoppable Oki on the opponent until he wins and I just feel that's not the case. The oki situation: Anji's ok is good. I'm pretty sure I said that in one of my posts . It's better then good. But again, if we call his powerful, what do we call Millias? Unstoppable God Strength? I understand what he gets off it and what it leads to, I've been playing him since reload. But let's actually LOOK at what it provides. Butterfly provides a small gap in which you can apply 1 mixup / cross up opportunity that a lot of the time you're not even forced to take. I've made air tight mixup situations but they're not the ones you posted in that link (assuming you mean Te same thing I think you mean). If you hit a button as fast as possible after a dash and they fd it chances are you just gimped your setup. If you make it more tight your options get lower but now you have real oki that they're forced to take. And yes both cases if hit lead to knockdown into the same setup. Now look at Millias... You are FORCED to take 2-3 mixups that you can't react too that leads into the exact same situation. Seriously you actually have to guess. Now I know she's the best but wouldn't you call THAT powerful? @tataki: since you removed the video i cant rewatch it but I have no problem with you saying Anji is dependant on oki because he is. The thing is I'm pretty sure you didn't say that. All I remember is the first 10 seconds where you said is neutral game was lacking but he had a powerful Oki game and that's where my problem is. I feel like his neutral game is better then a lot of people's actually due to autoguard on pokes. And again, the word powerful.. If you want to say he's oki dependant or the oki could lead to strong damage and knockdown and oki all over again that's fine. Btw: Anji's strongest combos (atleast that I've done, that have done 80 to 90 percent) came off confirming hits outside of Butterfly oki. Butterfly oki allows you to do confirm combos without the confirm but with prorated damage. And if I didn't reply to anything it's cause I'm on a phone

Any questions related to Hazama's gameplay and any little facts not known about Hazama (GAMEPLAY WISE) should be posted here. If you don't feel comfortable you could of course PM me.

Hey Dacid, how'd you do at ECT? You raped BB cause you're The Bang God™ and EC is so terribad right? Oh. Shit. Well that's cool, you don't even play that game anymore. I heard you've been maining skullgirls, surely you won that game. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm. That's fine, the game is broken anyway. Don't you play Marvel with some of the best players on the WC? I bet you cleaned the fuck up in that game. Oh. You didn't place at all... I mean, worse things could happen. It's not like anyone established dominance over you or anything. FACE ME! (that picture came out terrible)

CS2 vids and shit. If you're posting vids, please use BIG BOLD LETTERS SO PEOPLE CAN KNOW YOU ARE HIP AND COOL If you are posting about said videos, please type normally like this. Stupidity is also shunned here.

What the fuck is your problem guy? I haven't been on DL in months, the last time I checked was when I heard about stickbug's post about BB not being at evo and a call for the community to actually be a community and support the game. So him and others actually spent time and effort to come up with ways to help the community. Tournies dedicated to BB, people coming out, etc, all that nice shit. And then I hear the thread gets closed cause some guy from NY (that doesn't go to tournies) cries that scrubs don't belong at tournaments and all top players are dicks and don't want them around. And I hear reasons because "commentators are bored" and some mean people told someone else to eat a dick. So I could easily figure out that that was me. So because I find BB boring and I let people know that, that means that all top players hate scrubs. So because I told my friend of several years to eat a dick jokingly (cause god forbid friends joke around with each other), that means that lower-skilled players need to stay away? I'll admit i'm a dick except every tourney I go to, if anyone ever comes up to me and wants to play or asks for advice i'll do my best to help them. I have never turned anyone down. And i'm an asshole. So what about other top players that are actually nice like LK / SKD? I've seen them go out of their way to help people whenever anyone asked. So now you're posting here about an invitational tournament for the new BB game with top players on the EC. And by posting I mean crying. "LK has publicly decided who he wants and doesn't want". No, LK has chosen players who he believes are the best in the EC (dunno why i'm there anymore, I suck now). He is trying to showcase top level American BlazBlue for the new version to generate buzz / hype / good publicity. This is not a popularity contest, this is LK trying to SUPPORT THE SCENE. But you don't understand that so you want this thread closed. Well if you keep posting about how new players don't belong in tournies and top players are trying to fucking kill them maybe you'll get your wish. People have invited you to tournies, offered to pay for your meals AND help pay for your trip and you still post shit like that. Scrubs aren't toxic to the community, people like you are. So you could either stay at home and keep posting nonsense or you could actually, you know, go to a tournament and see that people are actually decent human beings and just want to fucking play games and have fun. PS: [04:17:PM] almu 2000: so if anything you should [04:17:PM] almu 2000: just talk tons of shit [04:17:PM] almu 2000: calling everyone else free and that your day 1 relius will body everyone [04:17:PM] almu 2000: just do it everyone is free, day 1 relius, etc

This is the general discussion thread. Anything that doesn't pertain to gameplay goes here. Speculation on CS2 Hazama doesn't count as gameplay SO THAT GOES HERE TOO. Let me re-iterate that. ANYTHING NON-GAMEPLAY RELATED GOES HERE. AVATAR DISCUSSION? CHECK. PROP 19 FAILING? CHECK. WHY WC IS FREE? CHECK. So yeah.

ONE: VIDEO TUTORIALS Hazama Combo/Tutorial 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kacsqbk4ue0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZeFv0FXKOY Hazama Combo/Tutorial 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4r4kZj2ZGM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qJALKAujXE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvJ0iyVcQUI TWO: RELAUNCH COMBOS Ragna, Jin, Rachel, Arakune, Bang, Hakumen, Hazama, Lambda, Litchi, Taokaka, Noel, Mu, Makoto, Valk 1) 214D~C(1 and 2): 6C (66 optional) 5C(2) 2C(delay) 6DA 4DA jump back j7DA 623D jump forward j6DD 66 6C 66 2C jCx5 5C 623D OR jC x5 j214B 2) 214D~A(2, opponent must be crouching): Hotenjin 66 6C 66 5C(2) 2C(delay) 6DA 4DA jump back j7DA 623D jump forward j6DD 66 6C 66 2C jCx5 5C 623D OR jC x5 j214B 3) 6A / 6B / Command Throw(236C) into Hotenjin: 66 214D~C(2) 6C 66 5C(2) 2C(delay) 6DA 4DA jump back j7DA 623D jump forward j6DD 66 6C 66 2C jCx5 5C 623D OR jC x5 j214B 4) 2 or less NORMALS into Hotenjin: 66 214D~C(2) 6C 66 5C(2) 2C(delay) 6DA 4DA jump back j7DA 623D jump forward j6DD 66 6C 66 2C jCx5 5C 623D OR jC x5 j214B 5) 3 to 4 NORMALS if 5B/5C/2C starter into Hotenjin: 66 (additional 66 optional) 6C 66 5C(2) 2C(delay) 6DA 4DA jump back j7DA 623D jump forward j6DD 66 6C 66 2C jCx5 5C 623D OR jC x5 j214B 6) 3 or less NORMALS if 5A/2A/2B starter into Hotenjin: 66 (additional 66 optional) 6C 66 5C(2) 2C(delay) 6DA 4DA jump back j7DA 623D jump forward j6DD 66 6C 66 2C jCx5 5C 623D OR jC x5 j214B EXCEPTIONS Rachel: 1-6) JUMP BACK j6D Arakune, Bang: 2, 4) Jump Neutral j7D Bang: 6) Now works, delay 4DA and JUMP NEUTRAL j7D as much as possible Hakumen: 4) Very short dash, Jump Neutral j7D 6) Possible but very hard to do, not recommended but still looking for another combo Litchi: 6) Must walk forward after Hotenjin, dash 6C very close to them, delay 4D Mu: 2, 6) 2C 5C(1) instead of 5C(2) 2C after 6C; still hard / impractical Valk: 2, 4) 5C 2C works, need to use jump neutral j7D 5) Walk forward, dash 6C. Very short dash 5C 2C, jump neutral j7D. 6) 2C 5C(1), jump neutral j7D MORE EXCEPTIONS: Platinum: Any situation into Hotenjin, 66 214D~C(2) 66 6C 66 (VERY SHORT DASH) 5C(1) 2C 4DA 6DA jump back j7DA 623D jump forward j6DD 66 6C 66 2C jCx5 5C 623D OR jC x5 j214B Carl: Any situation into Hotenjin, 66 214D~C(2) 6C 66 5C(2) 2C(delay) 6DA 4DA jump back j7DA 623D jump forward j6DD 66 6A 66 2C jCx5 5C 623D or jCx5 j214B Tager: Any situation into Hotenjin, , 66 214D~C(2) 66 6C 66 (VERY SHORT DASH) 5C(1) 2C 4DA 6DA jump back j7DA 623D 66 5C 623D xN (N being usually 2-3 times max, could be more depending on how many hits into Hotenjin and how many moves you omit; the less, the more times you could do this loop)

I don't think people here understand CS2 or the difference between American and Japanese play I planned on making a long post but then just said fuck it. Americans think Makoto and Noel pressure is bullshit because they can't block overheads and they can do damage from second one while Hazama needs 50% meter People don't understand that a) It's easy as shit to get 50% meter b) 50% meter will take off atleast half your life c) he gets 50% meter back into safe mixup that leads to half life damage With 50% meter, Hazama's pressure is fucking bullshit. Dacid's right, deal with it

1) Noel is an auto-pilot character to pick up and play and do massive damage and beat scrubs / people who can't block (Americans). 2) Hazama is an auto-pilot character after a certain point of... what, skill? combo learning? Whatever you want to call it. When you can actually hit-confirm and know combos Hazama is auto-pilot. 3) Dunno the Noel-Hazama matchup so not gonna comment 4) Shouldn't you be busy teaching top level japanese players Bang matchups dacid?

What experience? You winning rounds. Where's your confirmation? Did Satoshi go up to you and explain his lack of knowledge about the Bang matchup? Did he say anything to the sort besides he was unfamiliar with PLAYING Bang, not PLAYING AGAINST Bang? You only have your opinion that YOU believe. I have my opinion that a lot of people believe.

It's funny cause i'm not even trying to troll and my overall message is not about whatever the fuck cake said It's stupid on another level to imply he lacks matchup knowledge based on the fact that you took rounds with bang tricks. Like, Do you not GET that? Maybe you took rounds based off pure skill and you outplayed him, I don't know. But to say any time he lost was because he lacked experience playing against Bang is fucking.... something. It's definitely something. You're something Dacid. PS: CS2 Bang is nowhere near as bad as CS1 Tsubaki. Infact, CS2 Bang isn't even bad. He just lives in a game where everyone is better than him. CS1 Tsubaki is plain bad. CS2 Bang actually gets play in Japan so you can't even argue you're playing some low tier god and Satoshi didn't know what he was getting into

Why am I allowed to post here? I dunno. It could be because I don't feel myself with hands across the nation about how good I am because I place X in majors and take rounds off japanese players It could be because I understand the difference between losing because of lack of matchup experience and losing because of gimmicks, tricks, shenanigans and tomfoolery. (Not to say you're not skilled enough to beat him without those, but you're honestly lying to yourself on an epic scale if you believe he didn't know the matchup) It could be because most of what I say happens to be correct? Team Stickbug: Sponsored by Being Right™

You sure post like a day 1 scrub. "Well, you see, because Satoshi could not figure out my new Bang gimmicks that I figured out in training mode that worked once and cost him a round, he is not up to date on the new Bang matchup. Forgetting the fact that he embarrassed and raped me with better fundamentals and stronger play, he could really use some work against my super-charged Bang and the matchup overall." I played MIU ( whoops, I confused asian people ) at Evo in GG Slash. I took MATCHES off him ( you know, more than a round ). I guess he didn't know the Anji matchup, even though Anji was one of the best chars in the game and played a lot? I mean, I took MATCHES. He musta never fought an Anji before.

At first he was completely free huh? You mean after the half-day flight? After the jetlag? While being sick? While getting used to the (scrubby) differences of American and Japanese play? I've seen Daigo lose rounds/matches to American Chun-Lis. GUESS HE DOESN'T KNOW THE MATCHUP OVER THERE IN JAPAN. By the end of the tournament he figured out YOUR gimmicks, he didn't learn the Bang matchup for the first time. Goddamn. It's actually painful that you believe something like that. For LK: Can you fucking believe Dacid posted that? Jesus Christ.

Man i'm mad I actually have to fucking defend Dacid with this post It was stupid of Dacid to say/imply Satoshi didn't know the matchup. It's in no way stupid to say that he / Huey do things that Japan don't. I've made combos for Hazama that I haven't seen any Japanese player do / any combo movie replicate. I see tons of TOP japanese Hazamas fail to hit confirm into Hotenjin and do wrong combos after Hotenjin while I hit confirm off any hit I can and don't do bitch combos. I've seen Latiff do things with Eddie no other person has ever done. I've seen Marn do things with Dudley others haven't, i've seen etc etc etc Spoiler: Japan doesn't always figure out everything.

[09:13] zidanel33t: I don't feel like posting [09:13] zidanel33t: So perhaps you should edit or post [09:13] zidanel33t: That the argument that we had this game for one month and japan had it for X is a shitty excuse [09:13] zidanel33t: Not only is it shitty, it's the wrong excuse to blame [09:14] zidanel33t: The average skill level of the FGC community at large is... average [09:14] zidanel33t: The average skill level of the BB community is actually low [09:14] zidanel33t: Not only do we not have the matchup exp of Japan since they're so close together [09:14] almu 2000: well yeah [09:14] zidanel33t: Our matchup exp is horribly inadequate cause of how much everyone sucks [09:15] zidanel33t: Tired of seeing this game has been out for a month, shut the fuck up [09:15] zidanel33t: You suck, deal with it [09:15] almu 2000: I'm not going to just say [09:15] almu 2000: america sucks [09:15] almu 2000: JP is da gawd [09:15] almu 2000: that's too easy [09:15] almu 2000: and too troll [09:15] zidanel33t: It's not about how good Japan is [09:15] almu 2000: even if I word it like you did [09:15] zidanel33t: It's how bad American BB is [09:15] almu 2000: people just take offense it it [09:15] zidanel33t: So what you're telling me is [09:15] zidanel33t: You're a bitch and i'm gonna have to post it [09:15] almu 2000: yeah [09:15] almu 2000: do it [09:15] zidanel33t: Nigga i'm about to post this AIM log [09:15] almu 2000: lmfao [09:15] zidanel33t: Put your info out there. [09:15] zidanel33t: Stay free.

Hotenjin has 50% P1 proration. If it's a regular hit you can't do a regular relaunch combo and you just wasted 50% meter. If it's FC, congrats, you took a huge gamble and did 4-6ishK. Meanwhile, if you hit confirm any 1-4 normals dependant on variables I already listed, you get 5 - 8K depending on how much meter you have / want to spend and gain 50% back off any random hit. Hit confirming > not wanting to block and flailing on 236236B. (PS: Knowing when to hotenjin in unsafe blockstrings is ok at best and is only ok because smart people will generally adapt and not do those strings again and bait you)

Err, I meant #4 with 2a 2b before hotenjin.

#2 on litchi. When delay 6d, not delay 4d j7d and delay red chain it whiffs in training mode all the time. When delay red chain in versus it does not whiff. You can not delay red chain and have it work in both but it'll never work in training when delaying it.

Long story short: I can confirm on PS3 that some combos actually don't wok in training mode but will work in versus. So SOME OF YOU who can't do combos, it's actually not your fault. Can't confirm on 360.

Either: 1) Delay 4DA 2) Delay j7DA 3) Delay 623D 4) All of the above depending on the char ( such as Bang )

Ok, here is a combo thread finally. I've updated the relaunch combo list to include everyone now. Also linked the two tutorials that japan made. I've received several PMs from 2-3 guys who spent a lot of time transcribing these vids. I will post them eventually because I need to correct them / put them in an easier reading format. How bad does everyone need to know the notation for some combos? I've left out any midscreen combos that are basically N amount of normals into 3C 214DA or 236D. I'll add them too if people want but it's pretty much just bitch combos to either bring them to the corner or build meter. I am actually going to update it soon with hit confirms off certain moves, probably now or in the next couple of hours. Pretty much: 1) How bad do people need those vids notated in this thread? 2) How bad do people need to be told how to do useless combos midscreen?

You could do 5A 2A / 2A 2A / etc Hotenjin and still get the relaunch off if you omit 214DC. You can do 5A Hotenjin full relaunch combo.

I have never had a problem with dash 6C after j6DD. As far as I know there's no special trick to it. I do j6DD 66C and it works every time.