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That particular string may not work as written outside of the corner, maybe not even in the corner, with the amount of push-back you get from 22C, or maybe I just fail that bad at microdash 22C. However, at low enough life, you certainly can use something like 3C, ODC, [microdash 3C > 22C]x3 > EA. Such combos are often less damaging; you are generally better off using any given special move once in a given combo or at most twice when using certain ending strings.

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Some old CPEX paths still work, but others don't. 6B for instance has more recovery and, without a Fatal Counter combo, you'll end up using j.214C, microdash 2B to continue a combo after 6B. You still have the ice car whiff combos available to you and they feel a little easier in CF from what I've experienced. Unfortunately, Jin cannot link after 6A outside of a CH 6A > (5C or 5B)... or a FC 22C, 6A > 5B... or using a RC. If I'm understanding you correctly, launching is only possible from a counter hit or crouching hit, anti-air hit, or an Off-The-Ground hit (i.e. 6B > j.214C, 66 (OTG) 2B > 5C...) without meter. Some examples, not all optimal, include: [CH or CO] 5C > 6C > 2D, 66 5C > 2C > 6C > 214B(whiff)~C, 66 2B > 5B > 22C [CH or CO] 5C > 6B > j.214C, 66 2B > 5C > j.2C > j.D, 22C, 66 6B > j.214C, 66 2B > 5B > 22C [FC] 22C, 6A > 5B > 5C > 2C > 6B, 66 5B > 2C > 6B > j.214C, 66 2B > 5C > j.2C > j.D, 22C, 66 3C > 214B~C [AA] 5B > 5C > 2C > 623C, 66 5B > 5C > j.2C > j.D, 22C, [66 3C > 214B~C] or [66 6B > (d) j.214C, 66 3C > 623C] [OTG] 2B > 5C > 6C > 2D, 66 5C > 2C > 6C > 214B(whiff)~C, 66 2B > (5B) > 22C

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I'm reserving this space to post more specific strings. Will edit down as more info is gathered. For now, I'll list what I've noticed. CT is no longer very damaging and in most cases should not be used as combo filler; Jin's EX specials are better in that area for most cases. 6C got nerfed hard compared to previous games; omitting it can yield MORE damage in some combos (i.e. AA 5C > 2C > 6C > 623C, 66 5B... leads to less damage midscreen than AA 5C > 2C > 623C, 66 5B...) 6B > (d) j.214C might take some getting used to; the delay for j.214C feels brief, but it is there. 5B/2B/j.B starters in general feel less forgiving toward the end of longer, more damaging combos if finishing with standard 5B > (2B) > 5C > 3C > 214B~C. Jin's longer 3C startup in BBCF makes 5B > 3C > 214B~C ender not an option either, so ending certain combos "normally" can be tricky. It seems you can get oki using pretty much any C move into Rehhyou; may not be quite as good as 22C oki (...3C/5C/2C/6C > 623C). If your opponent likes to use a delayed forward roll, reversal, or neutral tech after your air combo (j.2C > j.C > j.2C > j.C > j.214C) in the corner, you might consider using 25 heat for 236D to pin them down for a safer approach or pick up another combo if they don't respect it. This will not work if the opponent rolls forward as soon as possible, but you can punish that using a 5C or 2B instead if you call it right. And here are some character specific notes: Tager - 5C > j.B combos, such as 5B > 5C > j.B > j.2C > j.C > j.214C, 66 2B > 5C > 2C > j.2C > (j.C) > j.D, 22C, 66 6B > (d) j.214C, 3C > 623C Rachel, Tager - Can pickup after 6B > j.214C with a microdash 5C instead of 2B, assuming hitstun decay is not already too great. For example: ...(66) 6B > j.214C, 66 5C > 2C > 6C > 2D, 66 5C > 2C > 6C > 214B(whiff)~C, 66 2B > 5B > 22C The combo route ...(off-the-ground) 66 2B > 5C > 22C... is not universal. I haven't tested it on all characters, but 22C partially whiffs on the following characters: Celica Difficult characters for landing mid-screen ...6B > j.214C, 66 2B > 5C > 2C > j.2C > j.D, 22C, 66 6B > (d) j.214C, 3C > 623C: Arakune, Hibiki - You'll need a microdash 3C to connect the 623C afterwards (66 3C > 623C). Celica - Change the 2C > j.2C to a j.2C > j.C instead; it is much easier than the alternative of 2C > (d) j.C > j.D. Then at the end, use 66 3C > 623C. These characters and some other characters may require you to delay the first j.214C to land the microdashed 2B pickup afterward, especially Celica. You may wish to find alternate combo routes against Celica since her off-the-ground hitbox after 6B > j.214C is farther from Jin than any other character. In the corner: Celica - You'll want to use ...6B > (d) j.214C... in order to land 66 2B; a later catch with 5B(1), 5C > 2C > 6C > 6D should still work on her. Tager - 5B > 5C > 5D > 22C does not seem to work; a dash-in 5B(1) > 5C > 5D > 22C should work if close enough, but a ...5C > j.B... combo as used mid-screen is better. Mid-Screen Can catch the opponent mid-screen after a 6C > 2D with a dash-in 5B > 5C > 2C > 623C, but you need to stand almost directly under the opponent as they arc toward you from 2D and catch them at the right height with 5B; some heights require you to use 5B(1) instead to land the 5C. 6C > 2D, 66 5B > 5C > 2C > 623C, 66 5B > 5C > 2C > j.2C > j.C > j.2C > j.C > j.214C (3922/28) Starting with counter hit 5C forces you to shorten one of the 5B's to 5B(1): [CH] 5C > 6C > 2D, 66 5B > 5C > 2C > 623C, 66 5B(1) > 5C > 2C > j.2C > j.C > j.2C > j.C > j.214C (3911/28) Corner Jin is capable of gaining 25+ meter in one 5B corner combo. I was amazed to find that ...6C > 6D, 5C... works now without 6D freeze, but it will not work in OD unless the opponent is in the air before 6C lands: 5B > 5C > 5D > 22C, 6C > 6D, 5C > 2C > j.2C > j.C > j.2C > j.C > j.214C/D (3641/26 or 3739) NOTE (EDIT): In OD, ...6C > 6D, 5C... no longer works since 5C knocks the opponent down if they are too close to the ground and this allows a tech if 5C does not freeze them. For oki, you can use the following route: 5B > 5C > 5D > 22C, 6C > 6D, 5C > 2C > 6C > 623C, 5B > 22C (3538/25) Changing the start of this oki combo to j.2C, 66 5B > 5C...yields (3252/23) NOTE: j.2C, 66 5B > 5C > 5D > 22C does NOT work on Tager. Omit the 5B and do a dashing 5C > 5D > 22C after the j.2C; you have to be fairly low to the ground when executing j.2C. The route fails or gets a little harder with using ...6D, 5B(1) > 5C... and the damage seems to decrease a little, however, you may need to use 6D, 5B(1 or 2) in OD. Overdrive I haven't seen any way to avoid ODC penalty mid-combo yet; jump cancels, delays after freeze, etc. still get the penalty applied as far as I can tell. Having said that, Jin can get some pretty nice damage midscreen with a full overdrive. At 30% health and full heat he can break 6k from match start position thanks to low health heat gain (easier with 10% health): [30%] OD 5C > 6B > j.214D, 6C > 2D, 6B > j.214C, 66 6C > 22C, 66 6C > 623D (wall-stick), 66 6C > 236D, (44) 632146D (6151) Note it is usually impossible to follow up a Distortion Drive [DD] with any action at all without a Rapid Cancel (no double ground Hiyoku Getsumei, ground Hiyoku into Exceed Accel [EA] without RC) However, if you are in OD, you can use air Hiyoku Getsumei (j.632146D) if the opponent is grounded and upon landing use another DD, i.e. 6B, ODC, j.632146D, land, 632146C (5.2k). If you are going for damage, most cases you will be better served using a DD instead of EA. Outside of Active Flow state, EA appears to be for a little extra damage if used in combos, between 200-800 or so, when you have few other options, unless you land a (lucky) hit with certain strong starters in OD (read: 6D) and are sitting on a full meter with a low health percentage. tl;dr on EA is don't treat it like an extra 1k damage on the end of your big combo; it does not have minimum damage, compared to DD min damage of about 1000.

Combo Discussion This thread is used to post optimal combos. Old combos will be replaced as new ones are found. Keep non-combo related discussion out of this thread and post it in its respective thread please. Specific Notations Used in This Thread [CO] = Crouching Opponent [CH] = Counter Hit (or just CH) [AA] = Anti-air or Air to Air -25 or -X = This combo requires 25 Heat points or X heat points [i.e. combo yields (3751/13, -50) indicates a loss of 50 heat with a potential gain of 13 heat at the end]. c. = the move must be used up close f. = the move must be used from afar (d) = the move must be delayed ODC = Over Drive Cancel (OD at start of combo indicates you are already in Over Drive) EA = Exceed Accel IAD = Instant Air Dash, usually used to indicate air dash from a grounded position 66 j.X = "Air Dash into j.X." If used after an air normal like j.D, assume the air dash is used before landing. [N%] = You must be at a certain percentage of health after you use OD in order for the combo to work. (XN) = You may or may not have to use this move depending on the situation. Air Combo = usually consists of using j.2C > j.C > JC > j.2C > j.C > j.214C. You'll have to omit some normals in order for the combo to work correctly with certain confirms. Strings in square brackets [ ] toward the end of combos indicate this may be substituted with another bracketed string listed afterward. i.e. [AA] 2A > 5C > 2C > j.2C > j.D, [66 j.2C > j.C > j.214C, 2B > 5B > 22C (2842/20)] or [22C, 6B > j.214C, 2B > 5B > 22C (2866/20)] NOTE: I do not explicitly mention super-jump notation mid-combo; assume you are super-jumping as Jin whenever you see j.X: After launching the opponent with an off-the-ground string like ...[214B(whiff)~C or j.214C], 66 2B > 5C > 2C > j.X.... After catching them in the air, i.e. the [AA] 2A combo above. If the opponent is grounded, say in a FC jump loop combo, you are not super-jumping. Mid-screen Combos A and B Starter Combos Note: 5A starter is usually interchangeable with 2A starter unless it is a crouching (CO) combo. **For many combos ending in...6B > j.214C, 66 2B > (5B) > 22C, can add ~100 damage by using 3C > 22C after the j.214C, but the delay on j.214C is very strict** Ground Combos 2A > 5B > 5C > 2C > 3C > 214B~C (2046/14) [CO] 2A > 5C > 2C > 6C > 2D, 6B > j.214C, 2B > 5B > 22C (oki) [CO] 2A > 5C > 2C > 6B > j.214C, 2B > 5C > 2C > j.2C > j.D, 22C, [3C > 214B~C (3293/23)] or [6B > (d) j.214C, 3C > 623C (3374/23)] 5B > 2B > 5C > 2C > 3C > 214B~C (2388/17) [CO] 5B > 5C > 2C > 6B > j.214C, 2B > 5C > 2C > j.2C > j.D, 22C, 3C > 214B~C (3783/27) 6B > (d) j.214C, 66 2B > 5C > 6C > (d) 2D, 66 5C > 2C > 6C > *214B(whiff)~C, 66 2B > 5B > 22C (3618/~25) *Some characters let you use 623C, 66 5B > 22C instead for a little more damage, but ice car route is significantly easier to land in this case. Anti-Air Combos [Low or High AA] 2A > 5C > 2C > j.2C > j.D, [66 j.2C > j.C > j.214C, 2B > 5B > 22C (2842/20)] or [22C, 6B > j.214C, 2B > 5B > 22C (2866/20)] [High AA] 2A > 5C > 6C > 214B(whiff)~C, 2B > 5C > 2C > j.2C > j.D, 22C, [3C > 214B~C (2948/20)] or [6B > (d) j.214C, 3C > 623C (3197/22)] 6C launches backwards if too close. May use AA 2A > 2C > 6C...on counter hit. If catching them low enough (i.e. a forward roll), can use 2A > 5C > 2C > (d) 6C... but you must omit j.2C. [AA] 2A > *(5B) > 5C > j.2C > j.C > j.2C > j.C > j.D, 22C, [6B > (d) j.214C, (66) 3C > 623C or 214B~C (3160 or 3193/22)] or [3C > 214B~C (2919/20)] *Need 5B if catching forward roll (3083 or 3111) on Terumi, Hazama, Litchi, Hakumen, Carl, Kokonoe, Platinum, Bullet, Hibiki. Does not work on Tager or Susanoo; too far for 22C. [AA] 5B > 5C > 2C > j.2C > j.D, 22C, 6B > j.214C, 66 2B > 5B > 22C (3334/23) Universal. Basic string can be applied to most AA situations. [AA] c.5B > 5C > 2C > 623C, 66 5B > 5C > 2C > j.2C > j.D, 22C, 3C > 214B~C (3793/27) Height dependent whether you can use 5B(1) or 5B(2) on the first part. [AA] f.5B > 5C > 6C > 214B(whiff)~C, 66 2B > 5C > 2C > j.2C > j.D, 22C, 3C > 214B~C (3418/24) Too close and 6C will launch them behind you; need a decent amount of space between you. CH Combos [CH] 5B(1) > 6B > j.214C, 66 2B > 5C > 2C > j.2C > j.D, 66 j.2C > j.C > j.214C, 66 2B > 5B > 22C (3417/25) 25 Heat and RC Combos 6A, RC, 5C > 2C > 6B > (d) j.214C, 66 2B > 5C > *2C > (j.2C) > j.D, 22C, 6B > (d) j.214C, 3C > 623C (~3751/~13, -50) *On characters like Carl, Hibiki and Celica (but NOT Kokonoe), change 2C > ...j.D to j.2C > j.C > j.D. Interchange 623C with 632146D for about 4.6k. Using an ODC after the last 6B or 3C if low on health, can get 5k mid-screen or 5.1k in the corner. 5B > 5C > 2C > 3C > 236D(3), 66 2C > 623C, 66 5B(1) > 5C > 2C > [6C > 214B(whiff)~C, 66 2B > 22C (3715/19, -25)] or [j.2C > j.C > j.2C > j.C > j.214C (3752/19, -25)] 5B > 5C > 2C > 3C > 22C~D, 66 5C > 2C > 6C > 214B(whiff)~C, 66 2B > 5B > 22C (3636/20, -25) Side-swap If starting with 2A/5A, omit the last 5B (3076/16, -25) 5B > 5C > 2C > 3C > 214B, RC, 66 *5C > 2C > j.2C > j.C > j.2C > j.C > j.D, 22C, 6B > (d) j.214C, (66) 3C > 623C (4006/20, -50) *Delay 5C: Carl, Kokonoe, Hibiki. Omit 5C: Susanoo. Combo fails on Tager at 22C. 6B > j.214D, 66 2C > 6C > 2D, 66 5C > 2C > 623C, 5B > 22C (3751/14, -25) OD Combos [100%] 5A > 5C > 2C > 3C, ODC, 5C > 2D, (d) 66 5C > 2C > 3C > 22C, 6B > (d) j.214C, (66) 3C > 623C (3506/25) Start with 5B instead: (4008/28) [100%] 5A > 5C > 2C > 3C > 623D, run-up 3C, ODC, 66 5C > 2D, (66) 6B > 22C, 6B > (d) j.214C, 66 3C > 623C (3812/23, -25) About half screen carry. Start with 5B instead: (4338/25, -25) [100%] 5A > 5C > 3C > 623D, run-up 3C, ODC, 66 5C > 5D, 66 3C > 214B, 22C, 66 6B > (d) j.214C, 66 3C > 623C (3731/21, -25) About 3/4 screen carry. Start with 5B > 5C > 2C > 3C, 623D...instead: (4308/25, -25) [30%] 5A > 5C > 2C > 3C, ODC, (66) 5C > 6B > j.214D, 66 6D, 66 6B > j.214C, 66 6C > 22C, 66 6C > [623D, 6C > 632146D (5212/34, -100)] or [236D, 44 632146D (5031/34, -100)] Finish with [236D, 44 632146D] if not by the corner at the end. [100%] 5B > 5C > 2C > 3C, ODC, (66) 5C > 6B > j.214C, 66 6C > 22C, 6B** > j.214C, [66 2B > 5B(1) > 22C (3731/26)]*** or [3C > 214B~C (3858/27)] or [3C > 632146D (4606)] **Using...6C > 632146D gives (4443). ***In some OD combos, 66 2B > 5B(1 or 2) > 22C ender may yield more damage than 3C > 22C. C Starter Combos **For many combos ending in...6B > j.214C, 66 2B > (5B) > 22C, can add ~100 damage by using 3C > 22C after the j.214C, but the delay on j.214C is very strict** Ground Combos c.5C > 5D > 22C, 6B > j.214C, 66 2B > 5C > 2C > Air Combo (3847/27) [CO] 5C > 2C > 6B > j.214C, 66 2B > 5C > 2C > j.2C > j.D, 22C, [6B > j.214C, 66 2B > 5B(1)* > 22C (4040/28)] or [3C > 214B~C (4060/29)] *Can air tech from 22C; omit 5B(1) to avoid this. Anti-Air Combos [AA] 5C > 2C > j.2C > j.D, 22C, 6B > j.214C, 66 2B > 5B > 22C Universal; settle for this one if you are unsure [AA] c.5C > 2C > 623C, 66 5B > 5C > 2C > j.2C > j.D, 22C, 6B > j.214C, 66 2B > (5B(1))* > 22C (4173/29) [without (5B(1)): (4127/29)] Including (5B(1))* may allow air tech after 22C. Opponent needs to be fairly high when you catch them with 5C starter. [AA] 5C > 2C > 6C > 214B(whiff)~C, 66 2B > 5C > 2C > j.2C > j.D, 22C, 6B > j.214C, 66 2B > (5B(1))* > 22C (3982/28) [without (5B(1)): (3946/28)] Including (5B(1))* will allow air tech after 22C. Tricky ender without 5B(1); 66 2B > 22C can be demanding [AA] c.5C > 2C > 623C, 66 5B > 5C > 2C > j.2C > (j.C) > j.D, 22C, 3C > 214B~C CH Combos [CH] 3C, 66 2B > 5C > 2C > j.2C > j.D, 22C, 66 6B > (d) j.214C, 3C > 623C (3557/25) [CH] f.5C > 2D, IAD j.2C > j.C, [**66 5C > 2C > 623C, 66 5B(1) 5C > 2C > 6C > 214B(whiff)~C, 66 2B > 5B(1) > 22C (4031/28)] or [66 5B > 2B > 5C > 3C > 214B~C (3228/23)] **Need to delay j.2C > j.C after IAD until opponent is nearing the ground from 2D; if timed right, you will juggle them with your j.2C > j.C, 66 5C. [CH] 5C > 6B > j.214C, 66 2B > 5C > 2C > j.2C > j.D, 22C, 6B > j.214C, 66 2B > 5B* > 22C (4014/28) *Can air tech from 22C; use 5B(1) instead to avoid this. 25 Heat and RC Combos 5C > 2C > 3C > 214D, 22C, 6B > j.214C, 66 2B > 5C > 2C > [Air Combo (4250/21, -25)] 5C > 2C > 3C > 214B~C, RC, 2C > 6C > 2D, 66 5C > 2C > 623C, 5B > 22C (4064/21, -50) OD Combos [100%] 5C > 2C > 3C, ODC, (66) 5C > 6B > j.214C, 66 6C > 22C, 6B > j.214C, [66 2B > 5B(1 or 2) > 22C (~3943/28)] or [3C > 214B~C (4151/28)] or [3C > 632146D (4858)] [80%] OD, 5C > 6B > j.214C, 2D, 3C > 623C, 66 6C > 22C, 3C > 214B~C (4357/31) [80%] OD, 5C > 6B > (d) j.214D, 2D, 6B > j.214C, 66 6C > 22C, 3C > 623C, 66 6B > (d) j.214C, 3C > 632146D (5708/34, -75) [30%] 5C > 2C > 3C, ODC, (66) 3C > 22C, 66 6B > j.214C, 6B > (d) j.632146D, 632146C (5931/28, -100) [30%] OD, 5C > 6B > (d) j.214D, 6C > 2D, 66 5C > 2C > 6C > 623C, 66 6C > 22C, 6B > (d) j.632146D, 632146C (6790/~34, -125) Special Starter Combos **For many combos ending in...6B > j.214C, 66 2B > (5B) > 22C, can add ~100 damage by using 3C > 22C after the j.214C, but the delay on j.214C is very strict** CH Combos [FC] 22C, 66 6A, 5B > 5C > 2C > 6B, 66 5B > 2C > 6B > j.214C, 66 2B > 5C > 2C > j.2C > j.D, 22C, 66 3C > 623C (4746/33) 25 Heat and RC Combos CT, 6B > j.214C, 66 2B, 5C > 2C > j.2C > j.D, 22C, 6B > (d) j.214C, 3C > 623C (2732/7, -25) [CH] 623B, RC, run-up 5C, 2C, j.D, 22C, 6B > (d) j.214C, (66) 3C > 623C (3510/16, -50) [CH] 623B, (d) 214D, 22C, 6B > j.214C, 2B > 5B > 22C (2943/12, -25) Need to delay a little longer if opponent is in the air; EX ice car may not connect if too far upon 623B (near max range). 623C, RC, *5C > 2C > j.D, 22C, 6B > (d) j.214C, (66) 3C > 623C (2926/13, -50) *Grounded opponent only; omit 5C and use 2C > j.D or 2C > j.2C > j.D or j.2C > j.D if AA. 236D(3), 66 (5C) > (2C) > 623C, 5B(1) 5C > 2C > 6C > 214B(whiff)~C, 66 2B > 5B(1) > 22C (~3265/~11, -25) Combo for 236D on enemy wake-up or as AA follow-up assuming all three hits; AA may require omitting just 5C or 5C and 2C j.214D, 66 2C > 6C > 2D, 66 5C > 2C > 6C > 214B(whiff)~C, 66 2B > 5B > 22C (3838/11, -25) 623D, 66 (run-up) 3C > 214B~(d) C (2165/3, -25) [60%] 5D > 214D, 22C, 66 6B, (d) j.214C, 66 3C, ODC, 66 5C > 2C > [j.2C > j.C > j.2C > j.C > j.214D, 66 2C > 623C, 6C > 632146D (5513/~12, -100)] or [6C > 623C, 6C > 214B(whiff)~C, 3C > 632146D (5164/~20, -75)] If at 30% health, should deal about 200 more damage thanks to OD version of 632146D. But for the 100 heat combo, end with ...j.214D, 66 3C > 623C, 3C > 632146D (5731/~27, -100). [100%] OD, 236236D, (last hit), RC, 66 6B > j.214C, 66 2B > 5C > 2C > j.2C > j.C > j.2C > j.C > j.214C (5414/~4, -100) Yukikaze RC combo. If not in OD, deals 4722. Throw Combos Front/Back Throw > 66, 66 5B > 5C > 2C > 623C, (66) 5B(1) > 5C > 2C > 6C > 214B(whiff)~C, 66 2B > 5B(1) > 22C (3140/22) Front/Back Throw > 66, *(d) 66 5C> 2C > 6C > 623C, 66 *(d) 5B(1) > 5C > 2C > j.2C > j.C > j.2C > j.C > j.632146D (4156/22, -50) *The timing of this combo is tricky on some characters, and may require a slight delay of the second microdash and/or 5B(1) Front/Back Throw > 66, (66) 5C > 2C > 6C > 214B~C, (66) 2B > [5C > 2C > 623C, (66) 5B > 22C] or [5C > 2C > Air Combo] or [5B > 22C] Easier when near the corner upon using 623C Air Throw, 66 22C, [66 5B > 2B > 5C > 3C > 214B~C] or [66 6B > (d) j.214C, 66 2B > 5C > 2C > j.2C > j.C > j.2C > j.C > j.214C] [30%] Front/Back Throw, ODC, 66 (66) 6B > j.214D, 66 6D, 6B > j.214C, 66 6C > 22C, 66 6B > (d) j.214C, (66) 3C > 632146D (4747/33, -75) [30%] Front/Back Throw, 66 (d) ODC, (66) 5C, j.214C, 5C > 3C > 22C, (66) 6B > (d) j.632146D, 632146C (5156/24, -100) Timing is very strict Corner Combos A and B Starter Combos (Corner) Ground Combos 2A > 5B > 5C > 2C > 3C > 214B~C (2046/14) [CO] 2A > 5C > 2C > 6C > 6D, 6B > j.214C, 2B > 5B > 22C (oki) [CO] 2A > 5C > 2C > 6B > j.214C, 2B > 5C > 2C > j.2C > j.D, 22C, 6B > (d) j.214C, 3C > 623C (3374/23) 5B > 5C > 5D > 22C, 6C > 6D, 5C > 2C > 6C > 214B(whiff)~C > 5B > 22C (3548/25) [CO] 5B > 5C > 2C > 6B > j.214C, 2B > 5C > 2C > j.2C > j.D, 22C, 22C, 6B > (d) j.214C, 3C > 623C (3884/27) 6B > j.214C, 66 2B > 5C > 2C > 623C, 5B > 5C > 2C > j.D, 22C, 6B > (d) j.214C, 3C > 623C (3939/27) Anti-Air Combos [AA] 2A > 5C > 2C > 623C, 5B > 5C > 2C > j.2C > j.D, 22C, [22C, 214B~C (3224/22)] or [6B > (d) j.214C, 3C > 623C (3383/23) [AA] 5B > 5C > 2C > 623C, 5B > 5C > 2C > j.2C > j.D, 22C, 22C, 6B > (d) j.214C, 3C > 623C (3898/27) CH Combos [CH] 6B > j.214C, 2B > 5C > 6C > 623C, 5B(1) > 5C > 2C > (d) 6C > 6D, 22C, 22C, 214B~C (4087/29) [CH] 5B(1) > 6B > j.214C, 66 2B > 5C > 623C, 5B(1) > 5C > 2C > 6C > 6D, 22C, 22C, [214B~C (3792/26)] or [3C > 623C (3762/26)] 25 Heat and RC Combos 2A > 5C > 2C > 3C > 623D, 66 5C > 2C > 6C > 623C, 5B > 22C (3389/15, -25) 6A, RC, 5C > 2C > 6B > j.214C, 66 2B > 5C > 2C > (j.C) > j.D, 22C, 6B > (d) j.214C, 3C > 623C (3751/13, -50) 3C > 623C oki usually works regardless of hitstun decay. 5B > 3C > 623D, 6C > 6D, 5C > 2C > 6C > 623C, 5B > 22C (4038/18, -25) OD Combos [30%] OD, 5A > 5C, j.214D, 66 6C > 6D, 6C > 6D, 5B > 22C, 6B > j.214C, 6B > j.632146D, 632146C (5950/32, -125) [70-100%] 5B > 3C, ODC, 5C > 6B > j.214C, 6C > 6D, 5C > 2C > 6C > 623C, 5B > 22C (4117/29) May not work if you have less than 70% health due to how 5C works in OD. If less than 70%, can use: 5B > 3C, ODC, 5C, j.D > j.214C, 6C > 623B, 66 5C > 2C > 6C > 623C, 5B > 22C (4007/28) [60%] 5B > 5C > 2C > 3C, ODC, 5C > 6B > j.214C, 3C > 623C, 3C > 22C, 3C > 632146D (4812/27, -50) [30%] 5B > 5C > 2C > 3C, ODC, 5C, [j.D > j.214D, (d) 66 6B > j.214C, 6C > 22C, 6C > 632146D (5307/35, -75)]* or [6B > j.214D, (d) 66 6B > j.214C, 3C > 623C, > 3C > 22C, 6C > 632146D (5363/38, -75)] *Unburstable after ODC. The alternative string is burstable near the end. [30%] OD, 5B > 5C, 6B, j.214D, 66 2C > 6C > 6D, 5B > 5C > 2C > 623C, 6C > 22C, 6B > (d) j.632146D, 632146C (6648/37, -125) C Starter Combos (Corner) Ground Combos c.5C > 5D > 22C, 66 6C > 6D, (d) 5C > 2C > 6C > 6D, 5C > j.C > j.2C > j.C > j.2C > j.214C (4161/29) You cannot delay 2C or 6C in the 6D, 5C > 2C > 6C > 6D string or it will drop; you may be able to delay 6D. [CO] 5C > 2C > 6B > j.214C, (66) 2B > 5C > 2C > 623C, 5B(1) > 5C > 2C > 6C > 6D, [6C/3C > 22C] or [22C, 22C, 214B~C (4420/31)] or [22C, 22C, 3C > 623C (4391/30)] Either be well-spaced from them at the start or execute j.214C quickly to launch you back farther. Microdashing for 2B pick-up too close up makes the combo drop on Mu-12 at 6D. Anti-Air Combos [AA] 5C > 2C > (6C) > 623C, 5B > 5C > 2C > j.2C > (j.C) > j.D, 22C, 22C, 6B > (d) j.214C, 3C > 623C (~4292/30) [AA] 6C > 6D, 5C > 2C > 6C > 623C, 5B(1) > 5C > 2C > 6C > 214B(whiff)~C, 2B > 5B > 22C (4298/30) [AA] 2C > 6C > 623C, 5B > 5C > 2C > j.2C > (j.C) > j.D, 22C, 22C, 6B > (d) j.214C, 3C > 623C (~3987/27) CH Combos [CH] 3C, 66 2B > 5C > 2C > 623C, 5B > 5C > 2C > j.2C > j.D, 22C, 6B > (d) j.214C, 3C > 623C (3896/27) [CH] f.5C > 2D, 66 5C > 2C > 6C > 623C, (d*) 5B(1) > 5C > 2C > 6C > 214B(whiff)~C, 2B > 5B > 22C (3963/28) *A very slight delay may be required to land 214B(whiff)~C later in the combo. [CH] 5C > 6B > j.214C, (66) 2B > 5C > 2C > 623C, 5B(1) > 5C > 2C > 6C > 6D, [6C > 22C (4286/30)] or [22C, 22C, 214B~C (4390/31)] or [22C, 22C, 3C > 623C (4357/30)] Execute j.214C quickly if close to the opponent at start, delay it if far. [CH] 6C > 6D, 22C, 6B > j.214C, 2B > 5C > 2C > 623C, 5B > 22C (4288/30) 25 Heat and RC Combos 5C > 2C > 3C > 623D, 6C > 6D, 5C > 2C > 6C > 623C, 5B > 22C (4497/22, -25) OD Combos [80%] OD, 5C > 6B > j.214C, 6C > 6D, 5B(1) > 5C > 2C > 6C > 623C, 5B > 22C, [3C > 214B~C (4599/33)] or [6B > (d) j.214C, 3C > 623C (4586/32)] [50%] 5C > 2C > 3C, ODC, 5C > 6B > j.214D, 6C > 6D, 5C > 2C > 623C, 6B > (d) j.214C, 3C > 632146D (5819/34, -75) [50%, CO] 5C > 2C > 6B > j.214D, (66) 2C > 6C > 6D > (66) 5C > 2C > 6C, ODC, 623C, 5C > 6B > j.214C, 3C > 623B, 632146D (~6035/23, -75) [30%] 5C > 2C > 3C, ODC, 5C > 6B > (d) j.214D, 6D, 66 6B > j.214C, 6C > 22C, 6C > 623D, 6C > 632146D (6220/40, -100) [30%] 5C > 2C > 3C, 623D, 6C > 6D, 5C > 2C > 6C, ODC, j.D > j.214D, 2C > 623C, 6C > 22C, 6C > 632146D (6341/33, -100) [30%] OD, 5C > 6B > j.214D, 66 6C > 6D, 6D, 5B > 5C > 623C, 6C > 22C, 6B > j.632146D, 632146C (7041/40, -125) This combo is hard. Must execute very fast to get OD to affect both j.632146D and 632146C. A slightly less strict version is below: [30%] OD, 5C > 6B > j.214D, 66 2C > 6C > 6D, 5B > 5C > 2C > 623C, 6C > 22C, 6B > (d) j.632146D, 632146C (7019/40, -125) Special Starter Combos (Corner) CH Combos [FC] 22C, 66 5C > 2C > 6B > j.214C, 66 2B > 5C > 2C > 623C, 5B > 5C > 2C > j.2C > j.C > j.D, 22C, 3C > 214B~C (4779/34) 25 Heat and RC Combos CT, 6B > j.214C, 66 2B > 5C > 2C > 623C, 5B(1) > 5C > 2C > 6C > 6D, 22C, 22C, 3C > 623C (2867/8, -25) Do not delay j.214C 623B, RC, 2C > 623C, 5B(1) > 5C > 2C > j.D, 22C, 22C, 214B~C (3338/13, -50) j.214D, 66 2C > 6C > 6D, 66 5C > 2C > 6C > 623C, 66 5B > 22C (4041/12, -25) Throw Combos (Corner) Front/Back Throw > 66, (66) 5C > 2C > 6C > 623C, (66) 5B > 5C > 2C > Air Combo Front/Back Throw > 66, (66) 22C, 6C > 6D, 5C > 2C > 6C > 623C, 5B > 22C (3247/23)

CF Gameplay/Jin Discussion Only Keep the discussion relevant to CF/Jin gameplay No trolling, excessive flaming, or getting too off topic please.

Here is all of Jin's threads without any character redundancy to my knowledge. All are tagged with matchup and vs which should hopefully help someone doing a broad search. Will gradually add info to each of these on Jin's side under a common posting in each thread and have space for opponent's notes with nice formatting unless someone beats me to it. Amane: http://www.dustloop.com/forums/index.php?/forums/topic/11455-jin-vs-amane/ Arakune: http://www.dustloop.com/forums/index.php?/forums/topic/11459-jin-vs-arakune/ Azrael: http://www.dustloop.com/forums/index.php?/forums/topic/11461-jin-vs-azrael/ Bang: http://www.dustloop.com/forums/index.php?/forums/topic/11463-jin-vs-bang/ Bullet: http://www.dustloop.com/forums/index.php?/forums/topic/11464-jin-vs-bullet/ Carl: http://www.dustloop.com/forums/index.php?/forums/topic/11466-jin-vs-carl/ Celica: Posted Hakumen: http://www.dustloop.com/forums/index.php?/forums/topic/11469-jin-vs-hakumen/ Hazama: http://www.dustloop.com/forums/index.php?/forums/topic/11472-jin-vs-hazama/ Hibiki: Posted Iron Tager: http://www.dustloop.com/forums/index.php?/forums/topic/11479-jin-vs-iron-tager/ Izayoi: http://www.dustloop.com/forums/index.php?/forums/topic/11482-jin-vs-izayoi/ Jin: http://www.dustloop.com/forums/index.php?/forums/topic/11488-jin-vs-jin/ Kagura: http://www.dustloop.com/forums/index.php?/forums/topic/11491-jin-vs-kagura/ Kokonoe: http://www.dustloop.com/forums/index.php?/forums/topic/11493-jin-vs-kokonoe/ Lambda-11: Posted Litchi: http://www.dustloop.com/forums/index.php?/forums/topic/11495-jin-vs-litchi/ Makoto: http://www.dustloop.com/forums/index.php?/forums/topic/11497-jin-vs-makoto/ Mu-12: http://www.dustloop.com/forums/index.php?/forums/topic/11500-jin-vs-mu-12/ Naoto: http://www.dustloop.com/forums/index.php?/forums/topic/11503-jin-vs-naoto/ Nine: http://www.dustloop.com/forums/index.php?/forums/topic/11505-jin-vs-nine/ Noel: Posted Nu-13: http://www.dustloop.com/forums/index.php?/forums/topic/11507-jin-vs-nu-13/ Platinum: http://www.dustloop.com/forums/index.php?/forums/topic/11509-jin-vs-platinum/ Rachel: Posted Ragna: Posted Relius: http://www.dustloop.com/forums/index.php?/forums/topic/11515-jin-vs-relius/ Taokaka: http://www.dustloop.com/forums/index.php?/forums/topic/11517-jin-vs-taokaka/ Terumi: http://www.dustloop.com/forums/index.php?/forums/topic/11519-jin-vs-terumi/ Tsubaki: http://www.dustloop.com/forums/index.php?/forums/topic/11520-jin-vs-tsubaki/ Valkenhyan: http://www.dustloop.com/forums/index.php?/forums/topic/11522-jin-vs-valkenhayn/

I'm also getting this problem. Tried to edit the first post of a match up thread I made and couldn't do it. Returned an error code of EX2. If it helps, I'm using Firefox for my browser.

In EX, the only way I know of to use 5C after DP C involves a Gold Burst, and you probably need to use two, unless you go DP B > 66 > Gold Burst and hit them with the tip of the burst, but I haven't tried that particular route; it might not work. I haven't been able to launch an opponent high enough without Gold Bursts. The burst needs to send them high enough for the tip of DP C to hit the bottom of their aerial hitbox to have a chance for 5C to connect. If I recall correctly, they have to be just starting to fall when you hit them with DP C. Even then, it's very hard to do because if you don't time the DP just right, or if you didn't launch them high enough in the first place, you won't land 5C. I should note that more than likely it is character specific...I've never landed it on Relius, and it probably wouldn't work on Tager either, with how horrible his aerial hitbox is. Oddly enough, I have done it on Valkenhayn, so I'm thinking it could work on Makoto...don't count on it though, lol.

For those who really want to loop someone midscreen and get great damage and meter, here's a FC combo for you, which is so far the best midscreen FC combo I've found without reaching the corner. Should work on characters of medium height or taller. Just change the ender according to character (tested on Hazama). Standing Opponent: 2C FC > JC, j.2C > j.C > DJC, j.2C > j.C > 66 5C > JC, j.2C* > j.C > (66) 5C > 6C > 2D > JC, j.2C > j.C > 66 5B > 5C > 3C > 214C (3692/59) *Execute j.2C as fast as possible after the JC. If you are close enough to the corner, you can change the end like so (starting from about the middle of the screen)... 2C FC > JC, j.2C > j.C > DJC, j.2C > j.C > 66 5C > JC, j.2C* > j.C > (66) 5C > 6C > 2D > 66 6B > 66 5B > 3C > 214A > 623B > 214C (3705/62) Why does j.2C > j.C loop have to be one of the best things in Jin's arsenal? As if we didn't already have execution and character hitbox woes, lol.

Actually, you can improve that combo with a double j.2C > j.C loop and end with ground ice car for more heat and damage. You can do this one on everyone except Platinum, assuming you're spaced correctly after the 6B starter (I've done it on Carl). On standing opponent: 6B [CH] > JC, j.2C > j.C > DJC, j.2C > j.C > 66 5B > 5C > Sekkajin > 66 6C > 2D > j.2C > j.C > [1) 5B > 3C > 214C] or [2) 5B > 2B > 5C > 3C > 214A] (4287/56) or (4285/52)

True, I forgot the DP throw route still does the most damage, but it's heat gain is so pathetic I hate using it, lol. At least the oki is good.

I have discovered that on sufficiently tall characters (only successfully tested Litchi and Tager), you can do a Back Throw > 214A Whiff and combo into a j.2C > j.C > stuff string. But of the following combos, even the first one won't work, or is exceedingly hard, against characters of medium height...if they are too short, don't do it. EDIT: This doesn't seem to work on Valk; his frozen hitbox is too short. Near corner (tested on Litchi): 4B+C > 214A (whiff), JC > j.2C > j.C > 66 5B > 5C > 2C > 3C > 214A > 3C > 623B > 214C (2968/46) You could try the above combo with a variant ender on characters as short as Noel, but I would not recommend it unless you don't mind a reset. The following combo is the hardest combo I have ever performed that doesn't involve bursts. You must be absolutely perfect in your timing of the j.2C > j.C loop and execute the 214A Whiff, JC as fast as you possibly can or it will not work. You can't squeeze in a 2B after the 66 5B, the 2nd hit of 214C will whiff if you do. In or near corner (Back throw, tested on Tager): 4B+C > 214A (whiff), JC > j.2C > j.C > dj.2C > j.C > (66) 5B > 5C > 3C > 214A > 623B > 6A > 3C > 214C (3143/51) I've only ever gotten this to work on Tager, he seems to be the only character tall enough for it. It has great damage with the highest heat gain I've ever seen for a meterless throw combo though, lol.

Personally I've always found Tager to be one of Jin's worst nightmares to play against...I dislike facing him more than Valkenhayn (but not as much as Tao...figure that out). I still don't understand why that is...you'd think it would just be an even, but gimmicky match-up. *Gets 720'ed* I mean it's not like we don't have a decent air game at our disposal. *Atomic Collider!* All we have to do is take our time and keep our distance...*Spark Bolt!*...snipe a little with ice blades...*gets sledged*...space ourselves properly when attacking...*magnetism*...evade when we do get 360'd...*Gadget Finger yomi*. Yeah, I don't like facing Tager.

That was one heck of a final match. Tetsuwo delivers.

Actually...I just discovered you can j.2C > j.C > j.2C > j.C on everyone but Platinum. I've done it as a starter on Carl even...to my complete surprise...timing has to be perfect though.... Probably won't work well with too much proration and/or less than perfect spacing in the combo. So Platinum is officially the shortest character in the game =P

Except that in CP, Fubuki isn't comboable anymore outside of OD or CH. Also, don't forget to practice your j.2C > j.C loops for CP...you can do this even off a 5B on characters taller than Rachel, Platinum and Carl (but it's easier on really tall characters): 5B > 5C > Sekkajin > 66 6C > 2D > j.2C > j.C > dj.2C > j.C > 5B > 5C > 3C > 214C (3255 dmg if I recall correctly) If you can't 3C > 214C, just end with 5B > 2B > 5C > 3C ( > 214A) or try going for a reset.

25 heat leading to nearly 4k damage (maybe more) is nothing to sneeze at, though granted, you shouldn't just go to town with your meter without a reason or a plan. Heck, with an OD you might be able to do more than 4k for 25 heat. As for RC, that is effective most of the time in covering a mistake, and can be used for some nice gimmicks. But there are situations where you can't RC in time if you mess up due to whiffing...or where RC puts you in a neutral or at worst a defensive position when you could have won earlier by using meter sooner. It isn't so much about gambling with your meter to me as it is a mode of play, between which you switch at your discretion. Do you hit them harder for 25 meter when opportunities occur while gaining a little meter in the process? Or do you wear the opponent down slowly at first, saving meter for a big combo or to defend yourself more easily? Do you hit the opponent with meterless combos, requiring a couple more confirms to win, to build heat and rely on mixup and frame traps more often to get your damage? Or do you spend 25 here and there to tack on more damage, use a few more of Jin's tools, attempt to win with fewer confirms and, in some cases, drive them to the corner faster? Meter gain in CP will probably force people to be a little more thoughtful than in CS:EX, especially for Jin with the numerous tools he has at his disposal for 25 heat. Still, I like using all of the tools at Jin's disposal to keep the opponent guessing, open them up, or punish them hard for disrespect or mistakes. If I have to burn 25 meter for that, I'll burn it. Or if I have to take it slower and wait, I'll wait.

^ This. Although I'm still hoping for some swag rewarding RC combos aside from 6A, I'm not counting on it. I can still freeze the living daylights out of people...why complain?

Everyone, start burning 75 meter for style points, lol. Then again, with how much damage that can net you, I'd consider doing it, especially near the corner. EDIT: I'm assuming you mean the ice car followup for that, cause I've seen two combos where ice car (1st hit) > RC yields a ground move. Probably won't know for sure until release I suppose.

I got j.2C > j.C to work for two iterations on all characters with a fatal in CS:EX, but it is very difficult on characters like Platinum and Carl, almost to the point of impracticality. Also, the ice car > RC combo was swag there. But what in the world was he thinking with that AA 2nd hit 5B to 6A? Hoping it was a slip up....

I'm not lolcpframedata...just QQreleasedateplox and QQamericanconsolereleasenao... *looks to see if coast is clear* *reads frame data* All joking aside, I've never been serious about frame data yet. I'm more concerned with hitstun decay, damage and heat. Should probably pay a little more attention to it than I do to make safer resets and frame traps...lol. I've kinda been doing w/e with my Jin these days.

Well, they had to take something away from us to give these beautiful gifts, lol.