Argent Zero

Console will probably be a year. This is a new installment as you know. We'll also have a new DLC with the release of the console version. I'm wondering which consoles they'll release it on. Probably PS3, PS4, XB1. That might finally give me the motivation to actually purchase a PS4.

Rehhyou -> 5C -> Aerial combo Since rehhyou is faster/safer now so its easier to turn the tables when in a pinch? (I'm also assuming Jin's aerial combo got a major buff) That's what I'm getting with this Jin Post. I do wish though the sources would be more detailed. Minor stuff can be really mind bending. BTW thanks for the Tager stuff, I'll give the Jin tiwtter stuff posted by Dawn in an hour or so (unless you want to take it)

わんちゃん　＝　One Chance, refers to that single moment where you can turn the tide of the battle (example: CSII, when Arakune curses the opponent and proceed on to winning the match even though he was about to die)

5B, 5A, 6A>C based attack route still available in BBCF

Not too sure about CT>CS, but I'm pretty positive they redid voices for CP.

jB's motion now that akin to Valken's j214B j2B startup is very fast and jump cancel available. However, no longer overhead j4D will bounce diagonally upwards after falling down, B variant causes a V-like movement (last sentence a repeat of first 2 sentence)

BBCF at Arc Revo -> Gather more feedback -> September or October Loketest of a more refined version -> Finalized version on November or December. That's my bet on how this is going to go based on the past. The final loketest is the one we really need to pay attention to, since whatever changes implemented there will likely be reflected in the final version. Hopefully they'll make some changes that are good all around but this is Arc we're talking about.

BBCF will also be available at Arc Revolution along with Guilty Gear Xrd -Revelator-

8-15-2015

GGs to peoples. Oh jeez, the game feels so clunky. My backdashes don't respond sometimes, what gives?

Looking back at the previous installments, I'd say another test may pop up right before November or December, assuming that BBCF will be in arcades around that time (which is highly likely) I just hope some adjustments are made for the whole roster with a wee bit more buffs instead of nerfs...

Ah, that's where you were getting at. Sorry for snapping at you.

I do sub Tager you know? Since CT. The character that doesn't have a second jump, air dash, or dash for that matter? Ring any bells? Jeez, don't think I'm blinded by my own characters nerfs and not be able to see the changes implemented on the whole roster.

http://www.dustloop.com/forums/index.php/topic/11021-cf-arakune-loketest-info-and-discussion-thread/?p=926679 Skye, I've posted the new information over at the requested thread. Hope this helps us out (though we won't be getting to use the new Arakune until April of next year or so, lol)

Even so though, the concept of Arakune has drastically been nerfed since CS (once curse activates, it's Arakune time). I wouldn't mind if they kept the current curse gain/usage and add the CS explosive damage output. Don't really know why so many people complain about him in every installment. Ah well, can't please the mass. We Arakune users just got to deal with it and beat everything in our path.

https://twitter.com/giketomato/status/623455860199550976 Translating a more detailed notes for Arakune @ BBCF loketest (unfortunately, the fear I've posted earlier about Bugs now getting SMP might be true) This is probably the most up-to-date changes so far, some information may be repeated here Major Change: SMP now effects damage and have no effect on combo duration. Normals do not have SMP, however specials do. Bugs have been modified as "Special" thus are now affected by SMP (Damn it) New Moves: P Reject A move that will auto-activate depending on the opponents location, all PQs will activate this. Once hit, the opponent will be hoisted up and drops down, Arakune will be able to move afterwards so great possibilities in ending curse with this or combos in general. However, startup is relatively slow + you'd have to be sticking right next to the opponent for it to activate, so adding this into a combo may be a challenge. For now, 5C>APQ>P Reject and 3C>BPQ>P Reject has been confirmed. JB>5A>5B>5D>3C>BPQ>P Reject does not work, may be M Startup F= A new DD that can be only activated during Curse. Once active, a bug that looks like it came from Nausica: The Hidden Valley of the Wind will run around across the stage. It'll start from where the OD Icon is and will go down forward from there. A multi-hit move, will cause opponent to spiral and then fall, knockback upon block is huge and will push the opponent right into the corner. Once the curse gauge is gone, the bug will disappear. When active, the curse gauge will go from red to purple, indicating that the curse will last longer than usual. No other plus effects are known, best be used as a curse time extender. Old moves Curse System Like in CS, the curse system is time based lasting around 9-10 seconds. D based curse gain is still 25% like in BBCPEX. A, D bug remain the same. B Bug: will now appear from the ground, startup is slower. Once it leaves the ground, it will gain its usual speed. 5B Bug will appear in front of Arakune (Around where jD appears) going towards the enemy at a 45 degree angle. Upon hit on ground, the opponent will be knocked back strongly, no down, same when guarded. Aerial hit remains the same. On the ground, B Bug>D Bug will not connect if mashed out together, so you'll have to imput D Bug beforehand. C Bug: Faster startup (?) same guard crush properties. Upon confirm, 5A or 5B will connect (be fast about it though). Even if you Guard crush, however, the combo damage is quite small. Guard crush>D bug Full combo = little under 5000. F Inverse Damage increased from 2000 to 2500. SMP rate unconfirmed Zero Vector Now able to execute on ground. Motion wise, same as spewing a slow cloud. Once the cloud makes contact, it will begin charging the curse gauge (for reference, if the opponent is at 0 curse, it will take 3-4 secs for the cloud to fully charge the gauge). The duration of the cloud staying on the field is long. Unconfirmed, but once a curse combo is complete and you do Zero Vector, it may not count in curse gauge retrieval. a±b Command is now 236D PQ BPQ = walks forward then warps back CPQ = Does a 6D Motion, warps where the party bug appears, can immediately move afterwards. Aerial CPQ = Does a B Dive motion, warps forward, a little further forward from where the party bug appears. All PQ will activate P Reject if they are getting close during the warp. CPQ has a very early invincibility frame, so this may be your best counter (activate P Reject as a pseudo DP or just run away) Dive Now has overhead properties. 2D Can now do 1D, 2D, 3D to adjust distance. 2D= same, 1D=real close, 3D=around where party bug lands. 1 hit JD Upon hit, can now cancel into specials. Decreased frame advantage upon hit, opponent will go up upon hit, decreased untechable time. Unconfimed if cancelable upon guard. Gataling Routes and other changes jC>jD new gataling route. jC>Dive is pretty hard to pull off (it will connect though, but not always, see my previous Arakune notes on hit connect) 2C startup is cheap, with the curse bug now affected by SMPs, 2C startup full combo with F Inverse = 5100 Personal thoughts, combo time seems shorter. Even with 2C Startup, Wheel > CD bug> 6C3 hit, the opponent is able to tech out of it. jB>5A>6B>j6D>bird>jA>jB>jC>Dive>6D>party bug + Permutaion, the moment the party bug hit, it was a blue beat combo. Other than jD, jC, Dive, the combo parts remain unchanged thus combos that don't involve the edge have not really changed. Some combos: 6A>2B>5B>2C>6D>Party bug hit Ground Throw>B Permutation>5A>5B>jA>jC>Dive>6D>Party bug+Permutaion At the edge, jB>5A.6B>2D>5D>j6D>jC>jD>Bird>Wheel

https://twitter.com/giketomato/media Translating a more detailed notes for Arakune @ BBCF loketest (unfortunately, the fear I've posted earlier about Bugs now getting SMP might be true) This is probably the most up-to-date changes so far, some information may be repeated here Major Change: SMP now effects damage and have no effect on combo duration. Normals do not have SMP, however specials do. Bugs have been modified as "Special" thus are now affected by SMP (Damn it) New Moves: P Reject A move that will auto-activate depending on the opponents location, all PQs will activate this. Once hit, the opponent will be hoisted up and drops down, Arakune will be able to move afterwards so great possibilities in ending curse with this or combos in general. However, startup is relatively slow + you'd have to be sticking right next to the opponent for it to activate, so adding this into a combo may be a challenge. For now, 5C>APQ>P Reject and 3C>BPQ>P Reject has been confirmed. JB>5A>5B>5D>3C>BPQ>P Reject does not work, may be M Startup F= A new DD that can be only activated during Curse. Once active, a bug that looks like it came from Nausica: The Hidden Valley of the Wind will run around across the stage. It'll start from where the OD Icon is and will go down forward from there. A multi-hit move, will cause opponent to spiral and then fall, knockback upon block is huge and will push the opponent right into the corner. Once the curse gauge is gone, the bug will disappear. When active, the curse gauge will go from red to purple, indicating that the curse will last longer than usual. No other plus effects are known, best be used as a curse time extender. Old moves Curse System Like in CS, the curse system is time based lasting around 9-10 seconds. D based curse gain is still 25% like in BBCPEX. A, D bug remain the same. B Bug: will now appear from the ground, startup is slower. Once it leaves the ground, it will gain its usual speed. 5B Bug will appear in front of Arakune (Around where jD appears) going towards the enemy at a 45 degree angle. Upon hit on ground, the opponent will be knocked back strongly, no down, same when guarded. Aerial hit remains the same. On the ground, B Bug>D Bug will not connect if mashed out together, so you'll have to imput D Bug beforehand. C Bug: Faster startup (?) same guard crush properties. Upon confirm, 5A or 5B will connect (be fast about it though). Even if you Guard crush, however, the combo damage is quite small. Guard crush>D bug Full combo = little under 5000. F Inverse Damage increased from 2000 to 2500. SMP rate unconfirmed Zero Vector Now able to execute on ground. Motion wise, same as spewing a slow cloud. Once the cloud makes contact, it will begin charging the curse gauge (for reference, if the opponent is at 0 curse, it will take 3-4 secs for the cloud to fully charge the gauge). The duration of the cloud staying on the field is long. Unconfirmed, but once a curse combo is complete and you do Zero Vector, it may not count in curse gauge retrieval. a±b Command is now 236D PQ BPQ = walks forward then warps back CPQ = Does a 6D Motion, warps where the party bug appears, can immediately move afterwards. Aerial CPQ = Does a B Dive motion, warps forward, a little further forward from where the party bug appears. All PQ will activate P Reject if they are getting close during the warp. CPQ has a very early invincibility frame, so this may be your best counter (activate P Reject as a pseudo DP or just run away) Dive Now has overhead properties. 2D Can now do 1D, 2D, 3D to adjust distance. 2D= same, 1D=real close, 3D=around where party bug lands. 1 hit JD Upon hit, can now cancel into specials. Decreased frame advantage upon hit, opponent will go up upon hit, decreased untechable time. Unconfimed if cancelable upon guard. Gataling Routes and other changes jC>jD new gataling route. jC>Dive is pretty hard to pull off (it will connect though, but not always, see my previous Arakune notes on hit connect) 2C startup is cheap, with the curse bug now affected by SMPs, 2C startup full combo with F Inverse = 5100 Personal thoughts, combo time seems shorter. Even with 2C Startup, Wheel > CD bug> 6C3 hit, the opponent is able to tech out of it. jB>5A>6B>j6D>bird>jA>jB>jC>Dive>6D>party bug + Permutaion, the moment the party bug hit, it was a blue beat combo. Other than jD, jC, Dive, the combo parts remain unchanged thus combos that don't involve the edge have not really changed. Some combos: 6A>2B>5B>2C>6D>Party bug hit Ground Throw>B Permutation>5A>5B>jA>jC>Dive>6D>Party bug+Permutaion At the edge, jB>5A.6B>2D>5D>j6D>jC>jD>Bird>Wheel

Ok, just got worried because someone mentioned that his bugs were going to get SMP'd at the BBS sites. Hopefully he's better this time around, of if anything reverts back to BBCP1.1, because he was a lot better then now.

Right, fatal counter, I forgot that existed. Thanks Deadman for the reminder.

Hm? Wait a minute, for Arakune, does a bug = normal or was that a special? Ah dammit, don't tell me his firepower is going to down further?

Tager’s B Driver dishes out 2700dmg and pulls real strong Impact Driver’s invincibility frame is long, without the followup command, possibility for combos 5C>6A>3C, C becomes 2C no matter what 5D blows the opponent back so follow up is near impossible (what happens when it counter hit?) B Driver, at first is seems to only pull a little, but after a while it pulls a lot. Overall magnetic pull seems stronger. B Driver damage output = 2500 with followup imput. Without followup imput, can pursue with 5C>6A>2C>CT>5B>5C>AC>GF damage output = 4500. 5A>5B>5C connects. 3C>A Sledge>5A>jA>jB>jC>Crimson Punisher connects A Driver damage output is 2600 3C>2C won’t connect If opponent backsteps after GF, it’s pretty hard to pursue (change to where GF places opponent may hurt Tager’s game in finishing the opponent off quickly) 5D no bound (counter hit or normal hit?) J2Cfc is still available (fc = fatal counter) 5A>5B>3C>AC wiff> 6A>2C>AC>GF is real easy to pull off, dishes out 2450. Throw frame data the same as 2.0 Exceed Accel is not a projectile and does 2200 raw Can use most of the current combos, but can’t use 3C so easily (because it becomes a 2C I’m gonna assume) 6Cfc will still make the opponent fly (fatal counter) New B Driver’s invincibility frame still a mystery, will go 2500 after the followup command and will connect to GF. Really sucks the opponent in. New B Driver seems to pull the opponent in real good too, can follow up with a 5C but can definitely follow up better With use of CT will go up to 4500. 5A>5B>Grab wiff>GETB seems impossible to do GETB causes Active Flow Gadget Finger = better frame start up Magnetic Gauge seems longer but it’s the same as CP 6A>3C is no longer available, but can instead followup with 2C unless the opponent is really far away A Driver is the old B Driver A Slegde bounds the opponent high enough so 3C connects 5A, 2A still F Startup Aerial 2A>jA>jB>jC>Crimson Punisher = 1830 This will be all of the translation for the new information collected (thanks again btw). The comments in () are all my opinions, thoughts, and questions for reference sakes, please ignore or enlighten. Tager still seems promising with the new installment, we'll see how everyone else fares. Hopefully for the better.

I'll be regurgitating some information I've posted over at the Loketest Thread, but I'll translate Arakune's changes listed by Famitsu. “ゼロベクトル”が地上でも出せるようになり、烙印ゲージの仕様が変更された。霧の軌道は今まで通りの3種類だが、敵に当たっても霧が消えずに残り、敵が霧に触れている間、烙印ゲージが上昇し続けるという性能になっている。 烙印中の烙印ゲージは時間経過によって減少していく。蟲を出すことで烙印ゲージが減ることはない。 “Pの否定”は“PならばQ”移動しているアラクネが敵が触れると、相手を蜘蛛の糸で包み込む必殺技。 “fイコール”は画面を往復する巨大な蛾を出現させるディストーションドライブ。蛾は烙印状態が続く限り画面を飛び回る。 Zero Vector can be used both in the air and on the ground. Instead of disappearing upon hit, it will now continuously charge the curse gauge as long as the cloud is making contact on the opponent, all three clouds are still present. Bugs will not consume curse gauge, curse gauge is now time based ( around 9 seconds). P Reject is a move where it will activate if an opponent lands a hit on Arakune during If P Then Q. Wraps the opponent in webs and hauls them up. The new move, F= will summon a huge bug that will crawl around the stage until the curse gauge is depleted. Some comments as an Arakune user on these changes, if they permit. With the change to Zero Vector, the homing cloud is probably the best cloud to spew, while the other two may be obsolete. Bugs not consuming the gauge anymore means users will have an easier time capturing the opponent with A and B bugs, along with the Slow Cloud (the time may not be as long compared to CS, CSII, but it's still better than the current CPEX curse gauge in my opinion) P Reject can be another form of reversal for Arakune to use (albeit a strange one). F= seems like a distortion to be used if you seriously can't catch the opponent (unless some one finds a way to use it during combo execution. My greatest fear is that if you catch the opponent early on after you executed F=, the bug will mess up your curse combo, on the other hand it might be another weird reset tool)

Not a Kagura user but... 2DA connects to new move. Forgot to test it when guarded Cannot use new move during aerial stance, j2DC will come out instead. When A Dragon Spirit hit in the air, the opponent will go down if low enough. 5BB2C2DC, unless sticking right next to the opponent, 2DC will not hit. Hope this helps

Dear all, I've translated and posted material on Arakune and Tager at the Loketest News information. http://www.dustloop.com/forums/index.php/topic/11030-cf-loketest-news-news-only/?p=925762 If anyone's interested, please have a look. Arakune's bugs no longer deplete curse gauge, it's back to time based.

http://jbbs.shitaraba.net/bbs/read.cgi/game/45148/1415025277/ Arakune updates (Notes from post 390 and onwards, this post will reflect mostly post 404's information) Guard Crush Bug still there. Arakune's cloud doesn't go away, will cling on to opponent till Arakune's hit or curse gauge is mazed out, all three clouds still available (can spit out clouds from the ground now) JA>JB no longer connects 2D now spits towards opponent (homes in on them?) Bugs do not use curse gauge meters, its back to time (about 9 secs?) B Bug hit doesn't make opponent float? Permutation (spiders) hit differently, falls down slower? When hit, opponent floats. New move, P Reject, is blockable JD untechable time reduced, after JD Arakune can move (jump cancelable) Dive nerfed, slower? Warp Changes (BPQ, CPQ, and aerial CPQ) BPQ = after taking 4, 6 steps forward, then warps back. CPQ = warps after doing 6D motion Aerial CPQ = warps after doing B Dive motion New Move = P Reject Will hit in air as well, around 900. Think of it as like Platinum's counter (the one where she shakes her butt) After hit, spider will bring opponent up and toss them down. Able to pursue with JA, 6JA. Dive pursue seems impossible? New DD, summons new bug (looks like a anomalocaris). As long as curse is active, will scurry pretty fast around from left to right (3, 4 times?) If Arakune follows the bug, he has the potential to carry the opponent to the corner real easy like. May interfere with combos. Exceed Accel = turns into a rafflesia and hurls the opponent up. Can't seem to pursue. Dive Nerf a mystery 5C>JA>JC>Dive doesn't connect 5C>JA>JA>JC>Dive connects Probably won't be able to connect at a very high altitude, but for the dive to connect, you might need to be a little above the opponent. JD Follow Ups in depth Another JD, jump cancel (j.c), bird, Dive all are confirmed options to pursuit. J6D>j.c>J3D seems possible. JD>Bird>j.c>JA>JA>JC seems plausible (hopeful?) J6D>6D no longer connects due to J6D reduced untechable time.