faultydefense

Been away for 2 years, decided to dust off this game for CEOtaku this weekend. Ended up spending like 30 minutes trying to record a new combo. "Combo N" is the new one, everything else is over 2 years old. It's mostly combo vid stuff not to be used in matches but you can see a lot of stuff link that you might not expect if you go through the playlist.

every time you push your stick away from your opponent while not in the middle of an attack you'll get an FD which will kill your meter gain

its actually pretty easy for the mid and heavy weights, you can do that same combo i posted, just try to do the last part as late as you can minus the K dive and it will still give knockdown as long as you didnt start it with an air string or some punches. Lightweights are a different matter, partly because you have to do the combo juuust right (usually delay the first ffvcl a tad) to even have them low enough for the hcl. Tested on may and millia and its possible if you use the ender; sj.S>sj.H > p dive > airdash > p dive > p dive, but again you have to be juuust right about everything. Wouldn't try that in a match on those characters. Luckily both may and millia are really wide in the air so you can just do a normal jump follow up and get the normal p dive ender fairly easily on them. Would still probably save my swag for the midweights though ~also... you're right, if im being super aware i should use c.s to finish more...but it seems when its clutch time i always get f.s, they tech in my face, and i die

I think it was this thread where we talked about one of the jp ino players using mid-combo hcl instead of the normal vcl. I messed around with it a little bit and actually ended up usually getting more damage out of hcl, havent done the proration math as to why. the damage is really negligible (1 point in this combo) however what i really noticed was that using hcl mid combo was usually easier as it seemed to keep the opponent higher. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzYdpmok2us for axl I needed to delay the very first vcl just a tad to make sure he was high enough for the last part of the combo. When I used hcl I didn't have to worry about delaying anything as axl was just naturally higher. I think it may be because it hit faster or recovered faster, not entirely sure but it's overall easier and i'll be looking to use it more when I don't need the forward momentum of vcl (keeps you from looping it like in the vcl loops, or if you're just not close enough to hit c.s follow-up without it) other stuff that came out of the lab this weekend, including an fdc setup since that was being talked about. IMO its strongest by itself, example: sweep...fdc hi/low on wake-up. She has so many ways to go high, you have to threaten the low whenever you can. She has to be pretty deep to get something off 2k usually. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpVZZ43m6UY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nliv_8FltzI i've got a few older vids in my channel but i haven't been training as much as I should so I'm just stealing tech from mynus until then fdc is really really great though, fdc 2k is like the fastball that makes the rest of her breaking pitches really move

Just happened to be messing around with it myself... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sTdj2ud9S8 the combos are nothing new, just needed to come up with something to show a friend who asked if FDC was worth learning

BLACKSNAKE! tell him we gotta rematch. @watches, depending on how this region thing goes I might be part of team louisiana but if not i'll submit my resume to portland . I'll be trying to get in all the gear i can @xaq, i'm coming for revenge for last NEC, and from what I recall, alive or dead, doren still had 9th place reserved

Damn, i don't think i'm bringing enough texas for this, but maybe i could be honorary NC again... and yes...baking...

of course sir. No trip through philly is complete without the NY gauntlet

@mynus, yo I got you GG FT5 for 10 or 20$, might as well be tradition same to biscuits, and hey I don't block so it's free right?

some guy beats his justice and every argument except baiken has been discredited you will use macros now, or you will be putting yourself at a disadvantage, fucking love nailing 1f throw > super 100% of the time with chipp. Actually played some mirrors last night and almost felt bad after the other guy tried to do it and ate death combos for being a frame off. I remember just a month ago I was telling myself even after all these years I needed to just sit and practice on my reversal timings...Pfft, why bother now. I hope everyone reads this thread, practices using macros, has people to play against that know how to use the macros, pick justice and let them practice escaping it before NEC... not even gonna try to bother arguing if it breaks a character

2 button dps is probably the biggest flaw in the persona engine and I dont dislike that game

the glitch is the dick and you want everyone to eat it

I set aside my taunt (in between punch and dust) and i've been playing around practicing using it and it really is super easy reversals, so much that i dont have to think about the timing anymore. I have PKS set to it and already its great for doing reversal perfect betas and instant air alphas. This is not something I have to practice or think about now...just getting used to the glitch will change some of the way you play... GRANTED you probably need to be more precise on the motions than we've let on, but it throws timing out the window and nets you the best case scenario every time also if you do fuck up the IAA motion it nets you a ground rekka which combos. if you fuck it up normally you might alpha too high or go flying somewhere which is usually how I end up dying...so this makes it safer as well as stronger

edit holy shit this works and its perfect... (actually i still find it easier to 2369 but the macro makes it way easier cuz you just hit and hold it as soon as you think the game read your jump)

dammit you're right (edit) as for the anji thing, ya that would help a tiny bit but the timing is very dynamic and requires you to visually judge the distance extremely well. Doing what was done in the previously posted video, butterfly ad-infinitum is not humanly possible (like if the opponent was actually trying to do ANYTHING) and you're gonna have to prove otherwise before you argue it is.

I would be surprised if an anji player saw this and didn't set aside a macro button on his stick just for butterfly set-ups. I know I would...thinkin about it for chipp just to get perfect instant air alphas. and lol errol i thought about that too

You can also bet if this was in street fighter it would be banned in a heartbeat until Capcom patched it out. And its even less abuseable in that game. THE ONLY REASON PAD PLAYERS CARE IS THEY GOT USED TO SHORTCUTTING 3 BUTTONS. We are not going to inhibit your ability to play the game, but unfortunately it will require you to make an adjustment. One that stick players already spent years making. Did any stick player here honestly start their gaming career on an arcade stick? I even played pad guilty gear for 2 years before I bought a stick and I lived in two cities with motherfucking arcades. I spent over 365 days getting my ass beat wishing I could execute like I used to on pad, and you want to complain about an adjustment that shouldnt take a few hours?!!! I learned stick in tournaments, in casuals, across the united states. FOR FUCKS SAKE banning macros should not affect your gameplay

or he swings the stick and the macro hits it for him

regardless of how groundbreaking the glitch is gives certain players an advantage that would be impossible for someone who say modded their stick for a guilty gear layout (i've owned a 5 button stick before) CAN YOU AT LEAST ADMIT THAT THIS WILL INDEED BE SOME SORT OF ADVANTAGE?!!!! There is no work-around for these people fighting people abusing the glitch. now lets look at macro using pad players reassign some buttons, spend a few hours learning that the O button is now the R1 button. you've got plenty of time to adjust to this and everybody can now play to the best of their abilities on even footing. (the only way you could say its not even is by saying that stick players now have an edge cuz they can do more...in which case you're just admitting that you're limiting yourself by playing pad) once again, i cannot understand why anyone in this thread is still pro-macro

I plan on having a pocket justice to play all friday just to turn people off to this glitch. If thats not enough, i'll be learning Baiken in 2014

I'm not at home to test this, but can you hold down HS and a macro buttom to spam slashback? That should be enough of a gamebreak for anyone. as a venom player this makes TK mad struggle lower and more reliable. I think it lets eddie do tricks with negative edging that isn't possible without a macro mapped, like attacking with a normal that's supposed to be held down. If nothing else these characters have reversals (except venom). Reversals by themselves are abuseable through this glitch.

this...again...i'd totally trust you ama if you asked me to use macros :D

It was built into the game so you could hit more buttons with one finger, not so you could assign a new turbo button. That was not intended. We are not telling saying you are a worse player (except that one guy) or lazy, we are saying it deteriorates the entire game as a whole. You made the choice to assign macros and use a custom layout. When you turn the game on they are not set up like that. that is something no one but you could control or predict. People generally set up their stick layout to match the arcade layout. Unfortunately this new evidence means we cannot simply allow things to be as they have been.

Only adding to the point, my statement stands

Yes, and klaige keeps posting better responses. Someone get that man a medal. and at amadeus A) no... you actually still kinda need to time reverals..this isn't blazblue. the game will read your motion for several frames but you need to be more precise with the buttom press. Which is why the macro is more reliable than any human with good timing. you can literally just be swinging the stick from down to forward at any reasonable pace not looking at the screen and the macro will net you reversal timing every single time. B) so banning macros might piss off 50 players. Not banning them will piss off a lot more