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Wow, thanks a lot for that Silius. So 6A does reduce your hitbox, at least as far as the arms go. Just never noticed it before 'cus you couldn't hold it in place. That's pretty neat. Also cool because it shifts his hitbox back just as far as most characters' regular range, that'll be fun for oki shenanigans, especially if what was said earlier about it only taking 2500 damage is true.

Nah, I meant Litchi actually has to use all her tricks now too.

Yeah I fucked up the link, my bad. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJFk7HVwPBU#t=4m28s But it doesn't matter because Lumination handily pointed out that Houtenjin whiffed. Which is weird, I'm damn sure that would've been a hit in CS1. Tager's supposedly smaller hitbox maybe? And yeah, Makoto's 2A makes me sad.

Well shit, it did too... That doesn't look like a stretch for Houtenjin's range though. Maybe they ended up making Tager's hitbox smaller after all? I think someone claimed they'd done that in one of the loctests.

I like Tager now. Hell, I liked him before, but I like him even more now. Yeah, he's gimmicky as hell, and nothing he has is safe, but he's got so many gimmicks that if you use good mind games you can still do well. Not every character has to be all recyclable safe blockstrings and low risk high reward spacing. http://www.youtube.com/user/jourdal#...HVwPBU#t=4m28s Confirmation on 6A's godlike status. JAYOKU NOPETENJIN

http://www.youtube.com/user/jourdal#p/u/1/AJFk7HVwPBU#t=4m28s We mustn't be watchin' the same vid. 6A's his way through Houtenjin, gets a combo off it. EDIT: Re Bang, I don't think his game will suddenly revolve around getting FRKZ, I think it just revolves around actually /using his tools/ now (also see: Litchi). Bumpers seem more important to him now than anything else (especially since even FRKZ-happy Master often used bumpers to help get seals in the first place), and in previous vids there's been some really good use of poison nails against characters with medium to low offense ability.

The latest Tachikawa vids (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbcapumOwDs)... Goddamn. That FRKZ-happy Bang was awesome. Makoto's 2A beating everything from tech rolls to FRKZ was not awesome. The Tagers were amazing too. 6A BEATS HOUTENJIN, MY MIND IS BLOWN. Great play from Akira too, except for that awful Gold Burst in the last round against Makoto.

There's tons of things I want to reply to so I'll try to be short with each of them. Ve: No j.2C > dash > 2B in the 7.2k. Dash 6A is easy, dash 6B is easy, j.2C 2B is easy. I guess it's the dash I'm having trouble with. Silfer, thanks a ton. I'm not sure if it'll help but thanks for trying. I will try disecting it more, and using 2B CH will be a good place to start. I'm using the 360 pad right now, I usually use d-pads for fighters happily but it turns out the 360's pad sucks ass for half-circles so I need to use the analog. I love the look of the new pad but it's overpriced to shit. And I got 632B146C on my absolute first try, and could pull it off 100% within about 10-15 minutes. Apparently something about j.2C 66~2B just hates me. Cor, that might help, thanks, I'll give it a try. Zero, Challenge 10, I'm going through the challenges before I go off on my own to find bnbs I like. One of the earlier challenges had this link but I think I got away on a fluke. That or the earlier part of the combo was easy enough to get more ideal positioning on the j.2C. Solar, I've been trying to do the 2B the INSTANT the dash begins, I haven't even been waiting for the dash because every time I do the 2B is too late (in fact it's usually late even when I don't wait for the dash). And yeah, I'm sorry for shooting down your attempts to help, but I was pissed off, in pain, and needed to vent. Also lol 90% humidity. And the whole gb2tager thing hit a nerve, the debate about whether fighting games are about strategy and reflexes or huge combos and setups is a really soft spot for me, so I apologize. TD, don't have to apologize, you're being damn nicer than I'd expect anyone to be to me here. I dunno about your craz-uh, interesting daydream idea, but thank you regardless. :b New day, wrist not in pain. Time to nail this fucker. EDIT: Okay yeah it's fucking easy with the d-pad. God damnit. If only that new controller wasn't $100 here. :/ EDIT2: Okay so here's what was happening. 633B, or 63B. That's why the dash was so rarely coming out at all. I have to focus really hard on making sure the second 6 is, well, a 6. I can see why you all said it's so easy, 63B is just a really easy mistake to make on an analog and not easy to make on a d-pad, probably not on a stick either. Combined with being new with both analogs and with mid-combo dashing with a non-step-dasher, yeah, bad, bad combination. My pad also seems to be more sensitive to up/down than it is left/right, I've noticed this before with how easy it is to accidently jump during half circles. Might try adjusting the axis ratio thingy. I guess that's what I get for practicing in Challenge mode instead of Training mode. Lesson learned. Anyway thanks everyone for your help, sorry for complaining/raging/etc, and maybe you could add this to list of possible causes for screwing it up in the FAQ.

Halcyone, the importance of this link is the only reason I didn't stop bothering. If it was just some link to up stupid damage to really-stupid damage I'd have said fuck it and settled for stupid, but this isn't just some silly loop, it's an integral link to Mu's entire game. I don't want to wait for Arc to change it because we've no idea when CS2 is coming out. Ve, I don't know what your definition of 'we' is. As I said before, I never came across a combo in Guilty Gear that gave me this much trouble. And that's from learning the bnbs for Slayer, Order Sol, Johnny, Testament, and Zappa. And to everyone saying 'practice more'... For the millionth time, I've been at it for /two hours straight/, at least ten times longer than ANY other combo in Mu's ENTIRE arsenal. But hey, I am obviously doing something wrong, probably in timing when I start buffering the dash since the most common occurance is no dash at all. I don't know how that's possible because, no Halcyone, as I already said, I've been throwing the timing back and forth, and it's just been going between no dash, no 2B, or a late 2B. For me to be at it this long and still not get it the window must be about half as wide as Mu's other combos, and judging from the FAQ, I'm not the only person this link has tripped up. Oh and the reason I'm here instead of practicing? As I already said since you're all insistant on not reading my posts, physical pain from straining to do the dashes as fast as physically possible for 2 hours. Yeah.

Okay, okay, point taken, but you've got to admit that "do it at the right time" is sort of useless obviousness, you can say the same for every single other combo in the game. I've breezed through every other combo but this SINGLE link trips me up for hours on end, with no progress in sight? It takes 10+ attempts just for the 2B to come out at all, and then it's too late every time. I speed it up and it doesn't come out. Slow it down, too late. And over, and over, and over, and over again. Definitely something wrong here. If I didn't already know any better I'd claim it was uncomboable.

I've been attempting Challenge 10 on and off all day. I've spent no less than 2 hours on it, all up. Lots of that was watching the demonstration, repeatedly, trying to find the rhythm. And so far I've gotten it down for everything Mu has, except that. 66 5C comes out as 6C about 50% of the time, but that's still 50%, that's just an hour or two practice away from 100%. j2C 66~2B? Not even 1% of the time. If you really think it's so easy that it should only take 10 minutes of sitting down and doing it, I'm even MORE convinced that something is wrong. I'll fiddle with it more tomorrow though, right now my left wrist is in physical pain from straining so hard to do 663 as fast as possible. EDIT: And yes, I do realize this is derailing the combo thread quite badly, but it's 'be flamed for derailing the combo thread' or 'be flamed for making a new thread,' so if you don't like it maybe try bitching less. And that's not at you TD, you're being helpful, it's more at people like Solar.

There's no reason a combo should be that strict, it doesn't benefit anyone, and it doesn't add any depth. It just makes the game less accessible and require more hours whiled away in practice if you want to compete. For the first time in my life, I'll admit a stick would be useful. I'm probably losing a couple of frames on the dash timing, since as far as I can tell you need to do both 6 inputs while already on the ground; that's how it seems to me anyway. And the same direction repeatedly is just about the only thing a stick does faster than an analog. Can't use d-pad either because disc pads sucks for half-circles, ugh. What link do you think is harder? I can pull off all the combos that I've come across except for any one with the 66 2B link. All the Challenges, her 7.2k FC... Nothing's given me any considerable amount of trouble, except that goddamn 66 2B. As for CS2 I hear 2B is getting a range buff too, so that AND the gravity will likely make that link much easier. Shame nobody has a clue when CS2 is arriving on consoles.

I know it's there, I've done it a grand total of three times in like 3 hours of play, but it's ridiculous. I'd expect this shit from post-release combos but the devs intentionally putting in a link with a gap that can't be bigger than 2 frames is sickening. I just thought there had to be something I was doing wrong that increased the opening, something to make you reach the ground sooner, I dunno. This is just stupid, it's so stupid in fact that it's making me want to go back to Tager.

May as well say "Just run at 30kmph, if you don't do 30km in an hour you're running too slow." Yes, no dash = too early and tech = too late is kind of obvious. I was just wondering if there's any other tips to doing this (tips like 632B146C for 2B into 632146C for instance) that make it have less than, I dunno, half a frame of leeway.

Figure this'd be the right place to ask; can anyone give me some tips for (dash) 2B? It pops its ugly head up in a ton of Mu combos and I freaking hate it, no matter how much I practice I can never seem to do it regularly, it's ALWAYS techable. (dash) 5C isn't easy either but nowhere near as bad as 2B.

Could've sworn he blocked at least two? idk, I have been watching a lot of Blazblue today so maybe I remembered wrong. SO HOW ABOUT THAT CS2. I hope everybody's looking forward to Mu becoming a guard-break monster.

Judging from Tokido guarding those bursts, I think he saw them coming at least a couple times too. :3

I thought you played well against Tokido, Dacid. :> Y'know except for the whole getting your ass beat thing. The bursts so obvious even I saw them coming. Wasting nails. Shit like that. Otherwise a very admirable performance~

This is the last loketest, the game goes live in arcades December 9. I doubt there'll be many if any changes between final loketest and live (wouldn't want to change something then not test it in case someone breaks it) so imo you're looking at either the final version or very close to it. And as I said, I don't play Ragna, BE being useful outside of combos is just a hunch from watching pros. If it's sharp enough it could be possible to hit them as you're going down and land either right in front of or just behind them, depending on how you time it. Superjumps into that could end up a good gimmicky approach, or it could be useful for oki somewhere. idk, it's all just pretty farfetched speculation on my part.

Well that's not too bad, it's pretty damn fast, IBing it couldn't be easy. Really I think BE has a bit of potential outside of combos for the stuff I said earlier and the changes will probably improve them. Crossups, corner escapes, air pressure escapes/interrupts, etc. I'm really not sure because I don't play Ragna but it might be worth looking into.

Is BE safe on guard? It's used so rarely outside of combos that I don't even know. <_>

That's cool, I like the idea of them being more punishable if you're MikeZ and use ancient voodoo magic to predict their exact occurance. As long as they're still able to hit anyone out of any non-invincible/superarmour attack it's all good.

Didn't know they were fully invincible, just knew they came out fast enough for it to not matter. Thank you Kay Eff for answering in a much less jerktown manner. re: Belial Edge, it'll still be very good for safe movement I think. I've seen Kaqn use it to escape the corner quite a number of times. Maybe the sharper angle will actually make it better for this? You might even be able to use it for crossups. Also it's always had fairly good damage and excellent meter gain on its own, it might be a potential combo ender if you want more heat or want to push the enemy into/away from the corner. EDIT: Unless the blowback is gone and it's almost impossible to hit with out of the corner at which point ignore everything I just said re combo ender.