Tiamat

what is tager supposed to punish whiffs with anyway? all his stuff with some range on it has crappy speed

so when is a good time to throw out 2C and get that counterhit?

are you serious....................... maybe if you would READ what people posted you wouldn't have to use inferno divider to beat icecar

look in the thread called "buffering 360s and 720s"

why would you ever do 360B on wakeup? thing has zero invulnerability 360A has invul but it's from frame 3 not frame 1

it is normally +3 so even if you IB it I seriouly doubt you can punish with anything

I figured he just meant doing a normal into 236B, and im pretty sure any normal on block to 236B could be 360ed since the move is so slow

what the flip are you talking about? I'm talking about throwing him OUT OF the 236B with a 360. you can't break a 360 in this situation

we need a whole thread for this?

I don't see why you wouldn't be able to 360 a B sledge...it's slower than the A one after all also, since we all know Tager's anti air sucks you can use this against himself heh

tager beat nu13 somehow http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0Qxl3iqwpM also, if anyone can find the video of the tager who qualified for sbo vs the n13 i would appreciate it

what I was thinking when I said that was "there's no way you'll be close enough for that in matches" so I go in training mode against jin (standing) and do 5A2A2B2C at point blank range. 2C misses. FAIL. from 2A you can get it if you're in makeout distance against him against ragna you can 5A combo if you are in makeout distance

yea it has happened to me as well. on the other hand, you can use 421B to autoguard the entire ice wave super. I don't think you even take any tick damage, lol. I've started using 421B to block the last hit of noel's air super to block the missle hit and get some nice meter build I see we have a "matchup" forum now. do you think you could move the current matchup discussion threads there?

more like jump A spam > Tager's backdash and everything else

I think this is the wrong character for that

except that A doesn't combo to 2B unless it's crouch hit iirc. sometimes I do 5C 236A236A RC > 5C 623C blah

Osuna: no idea, feel free to make a topic for it. Church: throws CANCEL to specials. do the special way before you think it will let you

you can cancel the grab to 623C or 236B regardless of front or back throw into the same combo(s)

then why don't you post in the tager vs hakumen thread?

well I'm using ragna as a secondary since last night actually but yeah I dunno I just found tager the most appealing

oh...didn't realize that meant press A and B at same time. if it was jA+B I wouldn't have gotten confused

I can't get the jC to come out after the jB. if I do that I get 5C because I've landed (though it combos). I have no idea how you'd do two jBs in the same combo

apparently the shortcut works for the 720. you can get it like this (looking at the inputs on training mode) 6321478 (first "360") then 632148 (yeah I skipped the 7, though you can replace the 4 with a 7 here) will get you a 720 you probably only need 6 inputs per "360" provided they cover the ones necessary

Mike Z: the j2C2B connects but the 2C still misses against carl, hakumen etc (unless I'm failing miserably which is always possible)

I've been DPed out of the electric super quite a few times by Ragna. Obviously blocking it is better though.