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May as well be a place where you can find venom videos that have been posted without having to scour the other thread. When new videos are posted here, or if I happen to see new Venom footage, I'll add them to the first post. Newest updates: Apr. 25, 2013, Mikado Apr. 23, 2013, A-cho Arranged by date (Newest first) Ver. 1.11 Apr. 25, 2013, Mikado Satou (JO) vs Fino (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=-oosTbk9Zs4#t=168s Purapura (AB) vs Fino (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9uCEnJ9TObk#t=239s Mizutani Kubiwa (TE) vs Fino (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=wG3ittCSLdo#t=24s Apr. 23, 2013, A-cho Ruu (BR) vs ??? (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Jb-66vVMxCE#t=13190s (long period of continuous play) Apr. 16, 2013, Mikado Asagami (ED) vs Fino (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkGOKiYMM0I&feature=player_detailpage#t=288s Gokudo-kun (JO) vs Fino (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkGOKiYMM0I&feature=player_detailpage#t=412s Hato (AB) vs Fino (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNJIJ_aOHrY&feature=player_detailpage#t=189s ??? (FA) vs Fino (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNJIJ_aOHrY&feature=player_detailpage#t=387s Kisshii (DI) vs Fino (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=092NNjfA6SQ#t=199s Ver. 1.1A Apr. 04, 2013, Fukushima ??? (MI) vs HEVEN (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=tk11wvsYen4#t=141s HEVEN (VE) vs az Axl (AX) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=tk11wvsYen4#t=570s Mar. 28, 2013, Mikado Roi (SO) vs Fino (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=PVlQGFOYFkM#t=42s Konsome (PO) vs Fino (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=I8HTKjdrSTU#t=169s Mar. 23, 2013, Mikado G Kyo Kuso Janeka! (ZA) vs Fino (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Hh5B_ga4MCo#t=472s Mar. 21, 2013, Mikado Koichi (IN) vs Fino (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=2xw4zXwyNHU#t=325s Fino (VE) vs Samitto (CH) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=6SJc2SKNmzI#t=969s Taka (AN) vs Fino (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=GOFRfn8QJDY#t=280s Ain (KY) vs Fino (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=nYzTHK9FHvM#t=704s Ver. 1.10 Mar. 15, 2013, A-cho Rikka (KY) vs N-O (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=90ky6Wq-qTY#t=2s N-O (VE) vs Kedako (MA) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=90ky6Wq-qTY#t=210s Mar. 10, 2013, Mikado Inoue (OS) vs Fino (VE) http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm20298779, long period of continuous play Mar. 07, 2013 ??? (VE) vs ??? (PO) http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm20276039, untagged time ??? (VE) vs ??? (DI) http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm20276102, untagged time ??? (VE) vs ??? (IN) http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm20285627, untagged time ??? (VE) vs ??? (JO) http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm20286020, untagged time Feb. 19, 2013, A-cho ??? (VE) vs various http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=iSze5aeS62I#t=7046s, long period of continuous play Feb. 15, 2013, A-cho N-O (VE) vs Kota (BA) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=UyvQnViYyQY#t=5s Makoto (OR) vs N-O (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=UyvQnViYyQY#t=88s Nakahara (CH) vs N-O (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=UyvQnViYyQY#t=707s Rozu (KY) vs N-O (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=UyvQnViYyQY#t=1286s Koro-chan (SO) vs N-O (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=UyvQnViYyQY#t=1619s Feb. 09, 2013, GameChariot Mauso (OS, SO) vs Pondo (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDvqqsMQZVE Feb. 05, 2013, Mikado Fino (VE) vs Roi (SO) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=LDw3R0Eak7U#t=194s Fino (VE) vs Koma (CH) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=LDw3R0Eak7U#t=333s Fino (VE) vs Suke (SL) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuVVTAw8w28&feature=player_detailpage#t=164s Fino (VE) vs Taka (AN) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUj6Z4_PtTE&feature=player_detailpage#t=225s Fino (VE) vs Kajitou (AN) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUj6Z4_PtTE&feature=player_detailpage#t=441s Ver. 1.01 Jan. 10, 2013, Mikado Tanabata (SL) vs HEVEN (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=wITJb8DZyp0#t=744s HEVEN (VE) vs Kuma (TE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=5R2ORonpyX8#t=222s HEVEN (VE) vs TON (JU) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=FUlcM6YjW74#t=170s Jan. 5, 2013, Mikado HEVEN (VE) vs Nakamura (MI) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=mZgMiqRFbNo#t=11s HEVEN (VE) vs Nage (FA) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=mZgMiqRFbNo#t=256s Fino (VE) vs Dirt (SO) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=u2QDFvzSDFo#t=14s Fino (VE) vs Ota (JA) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=u2QDFvzSDFo#t=197s HEVEN (VE) vs Dirt (SO) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=bzjdTcLqPgM#t=25s Ver. 1.00 Dec. 29, 2012, Mikado XTC (VE) vs. Nakamura (MI) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=vtNZ4rl1Yo8#t=2251s XTC (VE) vs. Nakamura (MI) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=vtNZ4rl1Yo8#t=2419s Dec. 14, 2012, A-cho Mirai (AN) vs N-O (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7fbplpnYCA#t=799s Kabegiwa no DC (JO) vs N-O (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7fbplpnYCA#t=1351s Kedako (MA) vs N-O (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7fbplpnYCA#t=1900s U-Zen (IN) vs N-O (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77H57JLfipY Nov. 29, 2012, Mikado Jonio (JO) vs Fino (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=H-Uu7hjWJFc#t=80s NOB (SO) vs Fino (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=H-Uu7hjWJFc#t=217s Natsume (DI) vs Fino (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=H-Uu7hjWJFc#t=447s Goran (TE) vs Fino (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daPM5QUWO64&feature=player_detailpage&list=UUNS7KzXpV2VFJZw_sB9uqhA#t=320s Nov. 3, 2012, Mikado HEVEN (VE) vs Koma (CH) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=zXnFF0cp_R0#t=19s HEVEN (VE) vs Godolphin (CH) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=zXnFF0cp_R0#t=193s BOB (KL) vs Fino (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=zXnFF0cp_R0#t=568s HEVEN (VE) vs Yoroshiku (MI) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ZQ02P3_f3xQ#t=16s HEVEN (VE) vs Lark (MA) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=bk5uM4SY5EM#t=415s Oct. 11, 2012, Mikado Goran (TE) vs HEVEN (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdlrfTJj0JA#t=264s FAB (PO) vs HEVEN (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYxck-smL08#t=554s Ain (KY) vs Fino (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6jguWr8M7o Kisha (FA) vs Fino (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6jguWr8M7o#t=2m20s HEVEN (VE) vs Fino (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6jguWr8M7o#t=4m56s Ain (KY) vs Fino (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6jguWr8M7o#t=6m39s Kisha (FA) vs Fino (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6jguWr8M7o#t=11m08s FAB (PO) vs Fino (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6jguWr8M7o#t=14m00s HEVEN (VE) vs Fino (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6jguWr8M7o16m52s Oct. 5, 2012, A-cho Sasaki (ED) vs Maddo (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5l6jo5fM5E#t=1s MGA (PO) vs Maddo (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=n5l6jo5fM5E#t=333s Maddo (VE) vs Dogura (RO) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5l6jo5fM5E#t=1046s N-O (VE) vs Ruu (BR) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5l6jo5fM5E#t=2115s ??? (KY) vs N-O (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGc1fWlYIKM#t=440s ??? (KY) vs N-O (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGc1fWlYIKM#t=659s ??? (BA) vs N-O (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGc1fWlYIKM#t=837s ??? (KY) vs N-O (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGc1fWlYIKM#t=1179s ??? (SL) vs N-O (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGc1fWlYIKM#t=1437s ??? (BA) vs N-O (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGc1fWlYIKM#t=1755s ??? (KY) vs N-O (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGc1fWlYIKM#t=1978s ??? (KY) vs N-O (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGc1fWlYIKM#t=2250s ??? (SL) vs N-O (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGc1fWlYIKM#t=2400s ??? (SL) vs N-O (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGc1fWlYIKM#t=2690s ??? (BA) vs N-O (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGc1fWlYIKM#t=2846s ??? (KY) vs N-O (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGc1fWlYIKM#t=3070s Oct. 4, 2012, Mikado Goran (TE) vs Fino (VE) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chQh0olENjc#t=801s Sept. 29, 2012, New Platon ??? (VE) vs ??? (DI) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeWRfOV9fho ??? (VE) vs ??? (SL) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZFf8xQCNBY#t=231s ??? (VE) vs ??? (SO) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNteNFA6oxY

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seriously faultydefense let's talk about mad struggle feint for free in any situation off any jump cancel without worrying about timing being screwed by variable hitstop or the third hit of c.s maybe not hitting or Every character can find something to do with this. Vet was going on and on about Sol's applications for this to me. Super dumb

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Are you saying that if you somehow mash 41236 out in one frame, you think the game will interpret this as a half circle motion Because this is the same as saying that if you press left, down, and right simultaneously on a hitbox you will get a half circle motion Because this is the same as saying that holding down-right is a quarter-circle motion Holding down-right is not a quarter-circle motion. All the game can know is "Since the last time we polled input, X switch(es) have triggered and X switch(es) have untriggered." You could... Theoretically poll multiple times per frame, but in practice no game does this. This is why if you hit from down left to down right particularly quickly, the game just doesn't see a down motion. It sees, "down is triggered, right is triggered, the state is "down-right." I gah

You know very well there are people who are highly skilled who are also highly obstinate and are eager to use this at any chance they want just to prove a point that it should be banned. In fact, I was just talking to one two days ago, someone whose skill vastly outstrips my own who nevertheless has lately been practicing macro abuse stuff purely to encourage TOs to ban it. And even at a lower level... Sure, maybe random people can't beat the proest of pros in major tourneys. But if it's not banned, it does let people scam local wins in weaker areas, win monthlies they absolutely should not. People will do most anything if they can get some money out of it. Does it cheapen the GG community? Yes, absolutely. Which is the major problem.

as a venom player I am actually pretty cool with getting mad struggle feints for free in every situation I want, actually. It's not much but it's there.

Baiken's guard cancels will activate during hitstop, yes. However, DAAs will not. Meaning, yes, perfect 1-frame Sakura will hit the opponent during hitstop EVERY TIME. level 1 moves have 11f hitstop, Sakura hits on frame 10, you cannot even cancel to an invincible move to get through it. If you are in Sakura range, you WILL be hit by Sakura. Edit: Just double-checked to make sure, yes it definitely still works this way. To be clear, you CAN currently do perfect 1-frame counters with Baiken. But the way it's done is by entering 412 ahead of time, going back to block, and hitting the button the frame during the first frame of blockstun - if your timing isn't dead on, you probably get hit, it's an even bigger callout than slashbacking. This reduces this "this pretty much never happens" thing to "this breaks the character right open." It's completely absurd, this should obviously never be allowed in competitive play, it's VASTLY stronger than what Justice gets out of it.

Right, that's really my question I guess, if you could start doing an SB move early so that the grab animation doesn't need to start because Shabrys is in a state where she can't do moves. Thanks stunedge!

You said she gets persona back during wakeup. Does that mean she can do persona moves during wakeup (Like Carl calling stuff during burst) or just as wakeup ends?

This doesn't account for the inability to call moves in blockstun during Titanomachia Glitch, though. If there was any way at all to make persona attacks happen during blockstun, I'd have known about it and much of my gameplay would've been centered around it. She never needed to jump to do it, though? Jumping was an easy way to input it but you could buffer it in to anything. Except being hit or in blockstun.

"- S.Lab has persona with her on wakeup right now. (aka you can do wake up punch super or wakeup some persona move), she can mash 2C(which was 8C in currently version) during block." This appears to be two disconnected statements. That's "not you can mash 2C and block on wakeup," it's "you can mash 2C during block." They may have changed the conditions for Hammer Uppercut being cancelled or something.

Yeah I did misunderstand. But that's still really crazy and implies you can also do SB moves out of blockstun.

Your statement, "Technically you could always do Asterius attacks during block, but they all get canceled since Shadow Labrys gets forced to block," is COMPLETELY WRONG. During Titanomachia glitch, all moves keep going during block, but you can't call them during block. SB moves all keep going during block, but you can't do them during block. Trust me, if that was true, I'd have been doing a lot of SB Massive Slaughter while blocking I did misunderstand though, but it still says mashing 2C during block does something, when mashing 8C during block never did before.

Well, remember that moves have to do more than 400 damage to break it. During a lot of strings, for a lot of characters that doesn't really happen, so there'd be times to use it to escape.

No, but she might be able to use persona moves (but maybe only Terra's Eruption, the fire from horns which was 2C but is now 8C) during block. Not after you knock her down though. She can use persona moves during wakeup, but that's it - before, Asterius didn't come back for a bit after you got up. This might be only saying you can call stuff while getting up, though. Which would still be great

HAHAHA WHAT She can use 8C during blockstun? Am I reading this right? What what what what what

Well, you can already hear the inputs. If the opponent is paying attention it's only a problem if there's no sound, which should never be the case. So it's more of a bugfix, really. I'm getting conflicting reports on whether Massive Slaughter gives fear or poison, but they all seem to originate from the same places so I want a completely separate source from jiyuna and stunedge to be certain (or clarification specifically from them.)

Well, yeah, but it's not like a counter in that it doesn't lock you in to being hit if you strike it no matter what. You can still invuln through the hit it generates, is what I mean.

Do you really just not see the big area that's only red? That's where it's disjoint. That is what is meant by "disjoint," "Having an area you can strike with where you cannot be struck." If you strike the enemy with that, when your hurtbox isn't near their hitbox, you don't get hit. BUT AGAINST KANJI'S DP, YOU DO. Because it specifically catches moves even if they're disjoint, as long as they are not in the projectile class or considered to be fully invulnerable/autoguarding. If you are going to go lambasting others for spreading misinformation please at least spend two minutes to maybe possibly test things out, okej?

"Take-Mikazuchi gives Kanji an electric aura and autoguards any incoming attacks. If the opponent touches or attacks Kanji, then they get hit and become shocked." Indeed, anything that isn't a projectile or invulnerable striking Kanji will get "caught" regardless of how disjoint they may be.

2B and 5B chained into each other, but you couldn't do both in one string. Now the 2B > 5B chain is gone. And yeah, Shabrys' changes might be generally looked at as nerfs, but there's interesting stuff there. I'm hype for new moves and EX Titanomachia.

Man, what? At high level, there's already been a shift away from SMP and towards skull combos. SMP Loop is strong but not even close to "the only thing keeper her somewhat viable."

Shadow Labrys 6 Persona cards New additions: Public Execution ([2]8 C or D) Anti-air grab. Chain Knuckle Same as Labrys' version. - 2C and 8C are having their commands swapped. - Guillotine Axe, ground 214A or B, now groundbounces rather than giving hard knockdown. - 2B > 5B chain removed. - Furious Action no longer wallbounces on counterhit. - Massive Slaughter ([4]6 C or D) grants Fear on hit. - When using Titanomachia, number of attacks is shown above gauge. - After titanomachia ends, a separate (ox) gauge appears, cannot use persona until gauge fully recovers. With info translated from stunedge's notes (https://www.evernote.com/shard/s43/sh/0e9b830d-5702-4866-a1d5-0c8e1e1c2a8f/c7f1fbbc1497cce8cfc1b1cf907c8732) by KayEff.

Yeah, I wouldn't really want to use Tactical Arch outside of a combo, but comboing through it or ending a DBC loop cancelling to it can give you really strong results just because of what all you can do with each individual ball you get.