grimlock

According to frame data, characters have 27 frames to escape from !! throws. That is plenty of time to react and escape.

Sorry for the triple post, but its to clarify the strange freeze burst behavior after a long combo finished with 623D. 1. Ryokoalways, you are right it is the computer bursting from the freeze just in time to eat one to the face. The second hit of 623D is instant or barrier block only, thus without those enabled, the dummy takes the hit. However, I don't think you can get lucky enough for this to happen because it seems to me like the computer bursts out at a godly speed. I used the recording option and tried to burst out and get hit like the computer, but it never happens. Heat counter just darkens, and the second hit of 623D just adds another hit instead of starting a new one. 2. After 623D and hitting the ground, the dummy has plenty of opportunity to tech out but for some reason it will not, leaving it vulnerable to continued combos. Against an opponent whose freeze recovery is the same speed as the dummy's, these two points together give the illusion ( or slim possibility? ) that you have created an impervious reset combo.

After using the first hit of 623D, it freezes, then the dummy pops in the air. Delay the second hit till just as he would burst from the freeze, and it will hit without the dummy blocking or teching through it. He then gets buried into the corner and any following hits will be count 2+ on the heat meter.

I think you might be getting the wrong idea about the whole reason i posted. Its not to create combos. I wanted to let people who are creating/practicing combos know that when using 623D properly, it appears that you can link into a brand new combo without giving the dummy a chance to tech out. However, this is not the case, and just some goofy behavior on behalf of freeze recovery and long combos.

Give it a shot. The combo doesn't whiff at all, even with all settings enabled. And the second hit of 623D is not fully charged, not even close.

I tried busting out manually vs my recorded Jin and the heat meter never resets, no matter how quick I bust out. If you are interested in trying what I am talking about, heres an easy combo to work with: 6D, DC, C, JC, j.B, j.C, j.D, C, 623D, (delay the second hit till right about when they burst), then into whatever. Being next to a wall helps the follow up. But I have tried this numerous times and have never been able to replicate the effect, like I said, no matter how quickly I shook out of the ice.

Hello all! I found something weird about dummy freeze recovery. Perhaps new, perhaps old, but it might be important to know when practicing combos in training. If its too long, there is a summary at the bottom of the page. Use 623 D as a part of a combo and delay the final hit. Connect just as the dummy bursts from the ice and it will reset the heat counter. You can then follow up into 632146C or, if you are close enough, D, 6D, etc. Since the heat resets, damage proration is down way low, so combos deal tons of damage post 623D. To say the least, abusing this glitch correctly can kill the dummy with as little as 50 heat used and granting it no chance for escape. <.< >.> This sounds way broken. Long story shorter, I used training recording and let the computer Jin do its thing. After the first hit of 623D, I tried to get out of the ice as quickly as possible ( successful? Dunno ). No matter how quickly ( or slowly) I shook out, the heat meter never resets and I teched out and made the Comp Jin miss the follow up combo. ?.? I says to myself. Shortening Further: After playing around with training options, the 623D heat reset "glitch" is triggered by freeze recovery enabled. Don't know why and I don't know if it is able to be replicated in actual gameplay, but if it is, it could be a host for the absolute cheapest combos that I know of for Jin. If there is anyone out there who can explain why the training dummy behaves how it does, that would be sweet. However, I consider the glitch to not be worth attempting in actual gameplay. SUMMARY: In training, with freeze recovery enabled, using 623D in the middle of a combo and delaying the final hit will cause the heat counter to reset and grant you massive damage for an untechable follow up combo ( yes, all escape settings are enabled ). To my knowledge, this does not work against live opponents. Using the delayed 623D will never reset the heat gauge and opponents can tech out of follow up combos no problem. The heat gauge reset only happens with dummies that have freeze recovery enabled after a delayed 623D. Weird. O.O ...... whew. DonE!