Prototype-03

Right, that's supposed to be his weak point, but that video is showing that Valkenhayn can still advance on the zoners... He's no Tager or Hakumen by any means, which is what people thought initially. But still, we're gonna have to see how it all settles down at the end.

Still too early. We still have to see if Lambda will figure out something to keep him away. We saw in the second round that that specific lambda player learned to dash after the spikes as to not get caught in the wolf jump. One thing is certain though... Valk has tools to play against zoners unlike early EARLY impressions that stated that zoners would demolish him.

That combo was taken when loketest vids first came out. That one is definitely outdated... I think you can do wolf combos with 2A, but I could be wrong. I'm pretty sure you can also do 2A>5B>5C>DD and be better too.

It's too early to tell what the tier list is yet. Tiers are usually placed by matchups and then put in order by +/- of each matchup. It takes a LONG time for the tier list to stabilize (Ragna just dropped in tier although he's been in top 3 for a while now) and even then, it keeps on shifting around depending on what people can find. His wolf mode does double a bit, but it's nowhere close to how Litchi is.

During wolf mode, because he switches sides when he does the j236 chains, are you inputting 236, 214, 236 or do you do 236, 236, 236? Hope this question made sense.

I know it's not a projectile, but I THINK it has projectile properties. It's one of the reasons why Nirvana blocks her 5B too.

I think Sledge is more devastating because it guards 5B... Something about 5B being a projectile or something Could be wrong though... Someone check up on that?

No one going? Then I might now go =(

Anyone going today? Most likely be there around 2-3 pm today until early evening or so.

Understandable that you can't explain everything in a forum or a post. Tactics WILL change too. As soon as we find to counter to *this specific move from this character*, they will find a counter to our counter. Regardless of others' help or not, we will eventually find a way around it... And I think that's where this forum helps... If we find a way around, why shouldn't we share the information with others? I understand you want others to think for themselves which is GREAT, because they'll be able to adapt at the spot, but sometimes we need some guidance. I mean, I could go into another characters' thread, ask a question, and someone will point an answer to me. On the other hand, you say, "deal with it, find a way around", and THAT doesn't help me at all. Also, "go in and hit him" is very vague. WHEN is it safe for me to go in and hit him? I mean, that's the whole discussion, because Tager can literally be churning butter and as soon as we cc or reset from close range, he'll 360 or 720 you. If it is as easy as "go in and hit him", we wouldn't have this discussion at all. Am I out of the line to be questioning this? I'd like a detailed answer when I ask for some tips, not a vague "go in and hit."

I think we all understand the point of being out of reach against Tager. The problem is that Tsubaki is a rushdown character with VERY short range -- You NEED to be up in their face. No matter how I look at this, Tager has the upper hand in this match. Yes, we need to zone. Yes, we need to watch out for the spark bolt. Yes, we need to be extra careful when magnetized. But you're giving very broad answer without good suggestions. You're also telling him to get in and hit him and at the same time, telling him to zone. I understand you need to do both, but they're contradicting statements. I don't know... I just feel like you're trying to criticize others without good feedback. We're all trying to help each other here... Not to bash each other. We're all new here since some of us don't have daily access to a machine. You're probably better than me here... So instead of giving us broad answers like "deal with it", how about some friendly suggestions? Anyway, enough ranting. Tager has the upperhand in this matchup in my personal experience. You DO need to zone against this character, which goes against Tsubaki's nature. Tager will be working extra hard to get in, so you need to catch him off guard. He'll especially try to rush into you if you're charging freely. He'll be distracted on how to get into you, so it'll give you time to find openings. 22D reset is one of the biggest tools in this match up. If they're not expecting it, it's almost guaranteed this hits. Just make sure you're not playing predictably... I found that 5B (from out of reach of Tager's throw) into 22D REALLY helps, since he might try to buffer that throw. 2C AA will also help since Tager's best way to get into someone is to j.C. Just watch out for the trajectory and timing change. I think he can also 360 you during your blockstrings if he can IB (someone please correct me if I'm wrong) so you need to be extra careful. If you get magnetized, ZONE HIM. He has a HUGE upper hand. It was to the point where I couldn't do anything. Maybe I didn't know how to attack when I was magnetized, but for me, it worked to stay away until magnetism went away. Yes, Tsubaki is better off using RCs and CA than using it on DD. There's few instances where using DD helps though. With one bar in the corner, you can install and get 4k+ from a throw. You can also get close to 5k or so with 3 bars in the corner. But yes, For the most part, it'll be used for RCs and CAs (or even Astrals!).

My bad... Thought it was an overhead. I know some people WERE trying this out though, although the general consensus was that it wasn't good other to catch people by surprise.

Remember: will also pay gas!!

It's cool, by then Dacid owes you about 7 hrs of driving. See how this all works out? hint: GET A CAR

Shouldn't rep socal if you're not repping Bang.

People have been messing around with j.236B. Maybe 3C TKing into j.236B might work? That's a good low to high mix up... Though I don't think you can follow up with j.236B unless it's a CH.

She's fun, imo. You have to be really good at mixups though, which I'm not that great at. Though if you mixup and bait well, I'd say you'd be fine 'cause she's full of shenanigans. Once you get the momentum going, she's unstoppable.

Don't let him fool you. He plays Bang. He only lost to another Bang. What does that tell you about Bang? I always troll Dacid because I have only beaten him once on Saturday by time out

It's okay. At least I *THINK* I'm getting better. Either that or you started to spam D's to mess around. OH WAIT, that's part of your tactic edit: honestly though, had fun. Need to learn the new Bang matchup. So different from CT... Especially the recovery time and the hitboxes... it's SOOO weird.

GGs Dacid and Choy. I hate Bang. That is all.

btw, how come u don't drive and go to AI more than I do?

a little over 4k with 1 bar!

I'll be there around that time too, but cant stay too long. Either way, find a way to pay time

Yes, but can you pay TIME??? HMMMM?

I'm thinking about 45 mins? edit: just Googled it. Says 40 mins and up to 1hr and 30 mins in traffic.