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So the one FC up there... 4) CH 2C > j.2C > 2B > 2C > AC > (walk) j.C whiff > lowest j.2C > 2B > ASledge > 5C > 6A > AC > [b/EGadget or 2D] [4297 / 53] with B/EGadget [4302 / 54] with 2D Actually works on everyone except Rachel, Hakumen, and Bang. On most of the cast you need to walk after first AC, I found it to be hardest on Hazama and Noel. Makoto was out of range of EGadget for some reason so just use BGadget on her. EDIT: (For similar reasons, BGadget misses Arakune so use EGadget). Alternately you can end with 2D instead of a Gadget finisher on everyone this works on. Not sure how useful that is though. But I think this should be the go-to FC combo for good damage/heat. For the life of me I can't get [AC > walk j.C whiff > lowest j.2C > 2B > ASledge] etc to land on Bang even though the 7th FC up there says it's possible. With Rachel at least (didn't try on Haku/Bang but should work), I found I could do CH 2C > j.2C > 2B > 2C > AC > (walk) BSledge > 2B > ASledge ...but couldn't combo anything after except Spark, which...yeah. For mag-less FC on Haku/Rach/Bang gonna have to use something else. Edit: With Spark on Rachel for that combo I managed: CH 2C > j.2C > 2B > 2C > AC > (walk) BSledge > 2B > ASledge > Spark > 2C > AC > 5D [4094 / 54] But for blowing a Spark it's pretty shitty. Just throwing it out there though since it has decent(?) mag. And I'll get to work on getting damage/heat data for... everything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qC0NxuX8Yo - Made a quick demo of the [6A > 6C > 214D cancel > dash 6A] bit, off of 2B > 3C > 2B and throw. I know I didn't do the optimal version (lol dropped combos) but just for the timing demo. Sorry for lame camera quality but it works.

Oh I should also mention Mu can be hit by 360A > very slight walk 5B > Spark for magnetism. If 262D Gadget is possible than I suck at it, but I'm pretty sure she's too far for it.

If this has been done... oh well. Went through the FC combos on the 3rd post for damage/heat numbers, double checking the ones listed there as well. Also tested all of these on Mu (so unless I mention it, they work on her). I'm also gonna rearrange the notation so it's all consistent, but it's the same order as listed. Without further ado... Numbers are [DMG/Heat] Mike Z: 1) CH 2C > j.2C > 2B > ASledge > 5C > 6C > j.2C > 5B > 5C > 6A > AC > BSledge > 3C [3580 / 52] 2) CH 2C> 2C/5C > AC > walk BSledge > walk 5B > 5C > 6A > AC > EGadget [3954 / 42] With 2C [3939 / 42] With 5C *Note: BGadget ender also possible does like 20 less damage compared to EGadget. This was the only case on the list where it mattered (Same move proration I assume.) Maho: 3) CH 2C > 2C/5C > AC > j.C whiff > lowest j.2C > 5B > 5C > 6A > AC > B/EGadget [4176 / 42] With 2C [4161 / 42] With 5C *Must remove 6A for it to work on Noel and Hakumen. *Extra note: Did not test on Noel/Haku for adjusted dmg/heat. 4) CH 2C > j.2C > 2B > 2C > AC > j.C whiff > lowest j.2C > 2B > ASledge > 5C > 6A > AC > B/EGadget [4297 / 53] *EDIT: works on all except Haku Rachel and Bang, though it might work on Bang and I didn't walk far enough. 5) CH 2C > 5C > 6B > 2C > AC > j.C whiff > lowest j.2C > 2B > ASledge > 5C > 6A > AC > B/EGadget [4378 / 53] *Done close to cornered opponent. Works on Ragna, Litchi, and Taokaka *Extra note: I only tested on Ragna and Mu, didn't work on Mu. Thought it'd be better to list those it WORKS on if it doesn't work on 12 characters... Smurvis: (Numbers were already there, double checked anyways) 6) CH 2C > 5C > 6A > AC > slightly walk forward j.C > lowest j.2C > 5B > 5C > 6A > AC > B/EGadget [4124 / 45] 7) CH 2C > 5C > 6A > AC > j.C > lowest j.2C > 2B > ASledge > 5C > 6A > AC > B/EGadget [4220 / 49] *Works on everyone except Hakumen and Rachel. Must slightly walk forward after first AC for it to work on Bang. 8) CH 2C > 5C > 6A > 2C > AC > j.C > lowest j.2C > 2B > ASledge > 5C > 6A > 2C > AC > EGadget [4419 / 58] *Magnetized. Replace first j.C with j.D for Hakumen, Rachel, and Bang (or just slightly walk forward after first AC to still hit Bang). *Extra note: Magnetized with 5D, which gave 4 heat. Subtracted from total for 58. Leo: 9) CH 2C > 5C > 6B > 2C > AC > AC whiff > 6C > j.2C > 2B > ASledge > 5C > 6A > 2C > AC > 5D [4472 / 62] *Magnetized. *Extra note: Magnetized with 5D, which gave 4 heat. Subtracted from total for 62. ---- Mike's are by far the easiest and the first one gives the most heat universally. #4 has best damage for those it works on. I otherwise recommend #7 for universal use. Actually works well that way. Only tested the front page stuff so... feel free to do something with it from there. Hope this is of use at least to formalize this stuff. Edit: Actually... too lazy to go back and retest but I don't see why #4 wouldn't work on more characters.

Yeah finding that out firsthand, though the bit about dashing with 6A as long as possible is very helpful. Thanks guys.

With the 7.2k FC combo: 6C > 63214C (Charged) > Dash > 6B > Dash > 6A > 6B > Dash > 6A (JC)> j.C > j.2C > 2B > 6A (JC) > j.2C > 2B > 6A > 2C (JC) > j.C > j.2C > 2B > 632146C Is it... possible to do dash-in 2B (663B) after the first j.2C? Granted, just tried doing this in training today (6A>6B curse you) and I think I landed it once but was too far to continue with 6A. On that note, seems like you can only do this like, slightly closer than midscreen from the corner at best. Is that right? What adjustments should I be making further out? Using the other highlighted Fatal? Also confused... 6A>6B doesn't work on, say, Litchi right? Does this FC combo work on her despite that? Saw it mentioned it was universal but... conflicting info. Sorry if these are redundant questions. EDIT: I'm dumb, went ahead and tried and got the 6A>6B to work on Litchi for the fatal. Lemme revise that question then, any tips to 6A>6B juggle besides "practice"? Visual cues? Body positioning?

^^ I've been doing, as listed in first post. 3C>[2B > 6A > j.C > j.2C]x3 > (2B>632146C or 2B>5B>623C) Didn't think you could string the stuff you listed after the loop x3, omitting the j.C in the loop gives you that much leeway?

Too many hits in the looped bits. Drop the 2Cs in there and it should work. Unsure about the ender though.

On Ragna, end 360A with 5B>4D (In fact, one of the combo thread posts shows best things to do off of 360A on all characters I think). Gadget Finger on him is best to avoid if possible since he always has Inferno Divider to beat many options (online, at least. Bait it and it's a free 360.) 360 on his fullscreen Carnage Scissors was good, always punish them for doing that outside of combos. That Ragna was honestly pretty terrible, most of those fullscreen Hell's Fangs were free 360s especially on instant block. If Haku wants to hang back, charge up spark (421B) but don't hold it. Let him come to you. Without meter or a good hit you can block everything low except 6B (overhead foot stomp) and even then I don't think that combos into anything for him (right, guys?) Whenever you knock them away with say 6C>5D, either follow up with a little spark charge or Collider. Delay Collider if needed but if they are dumb enough to mash tech in the air it's a free combo. B Sledge normal hit/A Sledge Counter Hit can be followed with 2B>2C>623C>etc on regular hit (assuming close enough for 2B of course), and B Sledge counter hit can be followed with 6A>2C>623C>etc. You seem to have the basic magnetized BnB down (..stuff>AC>AC whiff>6B>2C>AC>ender) and that's a good meaty chunk of Tager right there. Finding ways into that (6A>2C, 2B>2C, air tech gets AC'd) are the meat and potatoes of your damage. Once you realize most combos are just opener>meat>ender it becomes pretty simple. Even if you get your ass kicked, save replays of opponents who beat you soundly with good execution. Look through and find places where you might say "what could I do differently?" Then try it next time. For all of this to become natural you need opponents who can match up to your next milestone. At this point you should have 2 goals in mind: learning how to turn your random hits into damage like Axis said (anti air CH 2A>AC, random 5A pokes into knockdown/Gadget) and putting those skills to work in training your opponent. Like I said above, if you always end, say, 6C>5D in volt charge they may eventually think it's safe to air tech. On the flip side, once they fall for it once be careful about using the same tech trap again. Same thing from Gadget, don't always do 360s, vary it up with 5/2/6A, j.B, or just blocking if needed. If you make them fear one of the two, air or ground, you can get more leverage out of it. Not as a rule, but still good intimidation. Remember, Tager is all about making your opponent fear you. Methodical unpredictability is a more powerful weapon than 720. edit: Again, this is all just my netplay experience talking. There's more at work in repeated playings and offline so for that I defer to the advice of others in the usefulness of my advice.

I do that FC combo, I believe you're supposed to omit the 6A to have it work on most (all?) of the ones you listed, at least Noel and Haku. Mostly a matter of whose aerial hitbox isn't fat enough to be hit by the 6A, I guess. Though you should just add a 2C or 5C before the first 623C by principle, I think.

Just need to get out MTW faster. Personally I prefer just AC whiff>MTW.

I don't know if all those 6Cs are on purpose or not but throw out more 5Cs. I have no idea why so many of those 6Cs landed, let alone went unpunished. 2B>2C>Collider. 6A>2C>Collider. The simplest of simple starters. Either can be prefaced by a lot of things, notably B Sledge on hit (2B) or counter hit (6A). Vary up your wakeup options. If I saw you throw out a 360 every wakeup I would elbow drop you all day. Spark>5C>Collider. Spark>5C>Collider. Spark>5C>Collider. Spark>5C>Collider. Spark>5C>Collider. Do it. Try it. This is gonna seem like really obscure advice but... learn your normals. Try to get a feel for B Sledge range if only for Lambda. That one left themselves quite open to it many times. If you're having issues with special move inputs, practice them by themselves first. Do them 10 times in a row, facing both sides. Mostly just for Collider and 421B. Normal Gadget enders don't usually work on Arakune, also. Lambda does not have a lot of reason to be in the air at a distance so random colliders are generally unsafe. You're not gonna get better overnight. Keep practicing just a little each day. You will gradually get better, then look back at yourself and wonder why you did what you did.

j.C whiff>j.2c (Instant Elbow), AC>AC whiff>stuff, and Gadget enders are the most notable viable bits. I don't remember the exact challenges but one with airthrow>j.C>stuff probably won't be worth remembering. Their version of a Fatal combo is also pretty silly even though it teaches the mechanics. xB>Spark is also very usable. Like the CT bonus disk combos: it's a place to start. The most important part of Tager that challenge mode will teach you is Collider whiff.

Not conclusive but just ~ 20 minutes of dicking around in training mode. Tested just by holding up while Tager(training dummy macro) did 3C>2xGadget, except where otherwise noted. I can't really describe what I mean by timing difficulty but just testing non-held 22D on the following (I don't have Makoto, sorry): EDIT: I should say the following are what CAUGHT a jump attempt. Easy (input ASAP): -Jin Rachel Carl(fwd hop) Tao Haku Medium (had to delay very slightly): -Arakune Litchi Hard? (timing on both was longer delay, Ragna longest) -Hazama Ragna Couldnt do it on: -Bang Tager Noel Tsubaki Lambda Mu Again not very conclusive on my part just testing empty jumps but it's somewhere to start I guess. Hope I was of help. EDIT 2: There a pattern here as far as jump startup frames for who is/n't caught?

Trying out Double Gadget and unless I'm just doing it wrong (very possible, only spent a minute just now in training) I could only do just that, 2 Gadgets. Attempting another doesn't seem to come out unless the timing is just tighter. If that's the case it's just tossing them for a slightly more complicated mixup/guessing game and more bonus magnetism, right? Trying it on Hakumen (easy timing) set on constant jumping. Tried it on Ragna and had to delay slightly... but 5B>4D is superior to Gadget on him in any case, right? Still a cool trick though.

Depends on what issue you're having with it. If it's not coming out at all obviously you're doing it a bit fast. If you're doing it (Tager does a little flick but it doesn't connect) then they are either too far or you "missed" it. There's no harm in holding it,ie: 22[D], as far as I know so if you're just not "hitting" with it, hold the input. (Someone feel free to correct me if I'm being imprecise/wrong.)

After watching some CS footage I was tinkering around in CT training with the [623C, whiff j.C, instant j.2c] combo, which I previously heard here that it was doable in CT but you couldn't really do anything after it. After some testing I came up with the following: (Opener), 623C, j.C (whiff), instant j.2C, 2B xx 42136D, 2C xx 623C Listing of openers with full combo damage: 2B -> 2C, Combo: 4194 2A(CH)-> 5C, Combo: 4248 (Situational anti-air?) 623C(AA), Combo: 4672 Works on Ragna, Tager, Litchi, Nu. Obviously requires Spark Bolt, but no heat. 5B can be used instead of 2B on everyone but there's nothing to combo with afterward. For comparison, [360B, 2B xx 41236D, 5/2C xx 623C] does 4862/4871 on characters who can be hit by 2B after 360B. Apologies if this is nothing new/usable, just wanted to share.

True but you can instead do AC walk > 6C > AC. Depends on whether you want the damage or magnetism more, though I guess magnetism is preferred. Two little tips from what little I've played against Tao: Train yourself to correct the direction of your block in her drive cancel crossups and 2A spam, and train yourself to crouch (or if ballsy, stuff) a random pounce super. I cannot count how many times I jump, block, or just stand there and eat that.