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[CSE] Valkenhayn vs Relius Clover

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Even though Extend isn't out yet, I'm adding this here for people to discuss what they think the matchup will be like as we have no CS2 comparison for Relius. Focus for now should be general Matchup concepts meaning how do Valk's tools do against Relius' tools and how they approach each other, counter each other and pressure each other. We can add in things like Punishes and direct AA options like the Traditional style once we have Frame Data for Extend or just the game :3 Feel free to express yourself openly here too. We have the freedom of being more theoretical due to us only having videos to speculate so getting opinions out now is better for understanding things on the whole. I'm also gonna add and update the videos section for Relius in this thread so you have a quick list for reference. I plan to do this with all the new Extend matchup threads but the rest of them will be made closer to release. Enjoy :3

:RE::yaaay::RE:RELIUS CLOVER:RE::yaaay::RE: *Updated 11/6(Matches)*

Shadow(Relius) vs Masashi(Valk)

TORI(Relius) vs Hima(Valk)

Q(Relius) vs Nao(Valk)

So heres my opinion:

From the few videos I've seen, this looks like its in Valk's favor pretty well. Wolf Form is relentless and the constant hit and runs with things like [W]j.A and 5A make it VERY hard for Relius to gain the amount of space needed to properly set himself up to use Ignis effectively. Keep in mind, if either Ignis or Relius get hit just once, Ignis HAS to retreat meaning Relius just lost half his strengths. Now there are a few things that make it not quite so clean cut as some of Ignis' attacks do have Super Armor meaning she will absorb the hit and just keep going and she will not be forced to retreat after the recovery. Biggest threat to Valk in Wolf form is going to be Ignis' Wheel attack which is called Id Haas I believe. It has Super Armor, is fast and goes about 3/4s of the upper part of the screen which can hinder our Wolf movement just briefly enough for Relius to run in and try to get some pressure going. But this is bulletproof as Relius moves quite slow so you can just back up and wait it out.

Another thing is that Valk's mixup on Oki vs Relius' mixup on Oki is much more in Valk's favor as it stands now. Relius has no reversals except for his Spot Dodge which is a true reversal I believe but this is risky due to it not being Invincible the entire time though its recovery so you can just OS on it making it hard to use on wake up. So outside of that and Backdashing(Not sure how good his is as I've seen mixed results with it), Relius doesn't good defensive options meaning he has to block Valk's ridiculous mixup. Likewise though, Valk has awful defensive options and Relius has AMAZING pressure potential in the corner meaning that Valk also has to block against Relius which makes this a very momentum based matchup.

With Valk's incredible Mobility and really strong Air dominance, this matchup seems like its gonna be frustrating for Relius to pick up any momentum if he can't create the necessary space and time to get Ignis out safely and use her effectively. I'd say 6-4 Valk :3

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Relius has no reversals except for his Spot Dodge which is a true reversal I believe but this is risky due to it not being Invincible the entire time though its recovery so you can just OS on it making it hard to use on wake up.

Yea 236A, though I read that he can be thrown out of that. He shouldn't pose much of a problem defensively unless he has meter.

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Hey guys, I wouldn't recommend punishing Ignis special move summons with Sturm Wolf. Relius recovers pretty quicky from those and make you sad with 236A to dodge it and punsih accordingly.

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