[CSE] Carl vs. Rachel

[sinder]

Their game plan: Keep Carl in constant hitstun to nullify ADA as much as possible

Strategy: Chase them and have the, cornered or sandwiched

Match up in a nut shell

She will call you every name in the book while she throws lobelias (or whatever) around. you can vivace out of george, but most rachel players will ses that coming and will use 2A or the dreaded 2B to stop you. If you get caught in her corner game. vivace in a good answer to her pressure, but both players will probably know that so timing on when to use it is critical for escaping her pressure.

As for pressuring her, she doesn't have any good reversals, but her CA is beautiful and I think that's her best tool to escaping CON pressure. Her 2C sucks and can also be seen from a mile away so punish while you can, and you even have time to taunt her if it was whiffed before the punish.

Watch out for her low attacks and Mr. Skull. Her overhead is a joke, but can be a mess when your cornered with georger, impish, tempest in your face all at once

How would you rate?

Meh, if she zones then good 5-5. The match will get boring quickly which is why I can't this match up some times, since it can cause you to make some risky decisions because you want to spice the match up a bit. Jap rachels are a different story, and my matches with them resulted in a huge losing streak since they have nasty blockstrings that can keep you guessing. Remember that 2A can go into 2B and 5B can go into 2B twice. Her j.A is a quick over head but so vivace may not come out fast enough because she has enough time to land after using it, and then go for a low hitting attack. Nevertheless CON keeps her in check, just like it does to 90% of the cast anyway

Videos

Rachel Carl matches are very good to watch when the Rachel knows how to do more than just zone so I suggest you look up more and add just in case you want to learn new tech. However it can be just as boring to play as well, and even more boring to watch// my2cents

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrpqlQ_kKPM#t=9m25s Kyaku vs Rin Hime

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_DacOcYa2c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CU1k3__8vg&feature=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Au1D5tl7WU&feature=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IG9G923_nM&feature=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWrT2keu65U&feature=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9xfSVUI8nU&feature=youtu.be

[Narcastic]

For me this match is extremely difficult, because we're playing guessing game.

- my hop allegretto got counter by 236a, or 6B.

- J2c got counter easily by 2c.

- got cornered and punish by those freaking anthena.

- mix up got punish by Tempest dahlia.

- I suck at fighting rachel, well a good instinctive player that is.

any advice?

[Raiza57]

Their game plan: Keep Carl in constant hitstun to nullify ADA as much as possible

Strategy: Chase them and have the, cornered or sandwiched

Match up in a nut shell

She will call you every name in the book while she throws lobelias (or whatever) around. you can vivace out of george, but most rachel players will ses that coming and will use 2A or the dreaded 2B to stop you. If you get caught in her corner game. vivace in a good answer to her pressure, but both players will probably know that so timing on when to use it is critical for escaping her pressure.

As for pressuring her, she doesn't have any good reversals, but her CA is beautiful and I think that's her best tool to escaping CON pressure. Her 2C sucks and can also be seen from a mile away so punish while you can, and you even have time to taunt her if it was whiffed before the punish.

Watch out for her low attacks and Mr. Skull. Her overhead is a joke, but can be a mess when your cornered with georger, impish, tempest in your face all at once

How would you rate?

Meh, if she zones then good 5-5. The match will get boring quickly which is why I can't this match up some times, since it can cause you to make some risky decisions because you want to spice the match up a bit. Jap rachels are a different story, and my matches with them resulted in a huge losing streak since they have nasty blockstrings that can keep you guessing. Remember that 2A can go into 2B and 5B can go into 2B twice. Her j.A is a quick over head but so vivace may not come out fast enough because she has enough time to land after using it, and then go for a low hitting attack. Nevertheless CON keeps her in check, just like it does to 90% of the cast anyway

Videos

Rachel Carl matches are very good to watch when the Rachel knows how to do more than just zone so I suggest you look up more and add just in case you want to learn new tech. However it can be just as boring to play as well, and even more boring to watch// my2cents

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrpqlQ_kKPM#t=9m25s Kyaku vs Rin Hime

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_DacOcYa2c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CU1k3__8vg&feature=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Au1D5tl7WU&feature=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IG9G923_nM&feature=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWrT2keu65U&feature=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9xfSVUI8nU&feature=youtu.be

Shiro told me to tell you that~

You missed the part about her instant overhead, Rachels instant OH is a legit 50/50 she can either 2b>5B>2b or 2b 5b>j2a both of which net a decent amount of damage. The wises option to avoid this is to keep a stock of heat. No DD is worth getting hit by her IOH. Keep you heat for CA, try to leave a large gap in between you and Ada to play this game at neutral. Neural and proper Ada control is key to winning this matchup. Once she is caught dont let her get away untill you have the Health lead. Never give Rachel the health lead. Because once time reaches around 15 seconds (Which it probably always will if you are playing neutral) you will never see Rachel again. Catching her when she does not want to be caught is impossible for Carl. Play everything safe. She does to much damage for you to be eating a 6a or 2b or 5b.. Part of me wants to say the bitch is just a little OP with the damage tbh. This is one of Carls worst and Hardest matchups.... along side his others.