[P4A] Mitsuru VS Aigis

[Jourdal]

Discuss the Mitsuru VS Aigis match up here!

[D_money01]

i use to feel that mitsuru was equipped to tackle on anyone......until a fought an amazing aigis player tonight. man, i have no idea what to do at neutral game. between those shield like persona things, 2b, and her machine gun move, she keeps mitsuru honest. i can't bulldog with drills and 5d gets bodied by her gun moves and shield persona. but besides that, my REAL issue is once she get in. how in the hell am i suppose to defend against her mvc like instant overhead bullshit? dp works BUT they can bait it and severely punish you hard. and my god, on wake up i feel free as fuck. it took me 3 games in to realize homeboy was doing her safe jump after that flame bullshit so what ever mitsuru did on wake up was either getting stuffed or block.

i just don't know what to do in this match. hopefully my fellow mitsuru players can shine some light and help me not be free as fuck to good aigis players.

[LegendaryRath]

I've only fought a few good Aigis' and I normally get bodied. Not only is she an awesome character, but my lack of experience in this match-up just makes it worse.

If anyone out there plays Aigis or plays against one frequently, I would greatly appreciate your input.

[Momochuuu]

This character is a problem. How do you even land a clean hit on this annoying character?

[No Limitz]

Mitsuru is very well equipped for this match up tbh, not sure what you guys are QQing about.

When she isn't in Orgia mode keep the 5A pressure on and stay on her, she has little options(asides from the standard DP, roll, alpha counter) when you're on her since all her ground moves (ignoring her C) are outranged. Her fastest ground normal is 5A which is possibly the shortest normal in the game lol and like any other match up don't get carried away with droit since if they catch on they could 5A you on IB.

As for dealing with her zoning, roll through 2B and punish if she gets predictable with it jump in blocking since it's not air unblockable. Roll or just run under her vulcan j236A/B, she's vulnerable on her way down. Gatling is slow, IAD or roll through, it's very unsafe on block and hit if she does it close.

Droit on reaction if she tries to mortar you from anything less than full screen. 5D(or even droit since you could hit Aigis before she recovers) will beat her setting up any of her Ds, her 2D is faster so it might be harder to do on reaction. Asides from that don't bother using Artemesia in neutral situations since Aigis's 2B will just take a stock from you.

When she's in Orgia mode; god forbid a Mitsuru learns to respect another character and learn to change up her game plan to adapt. 3 things you could do:

1) ideally you keep her locked down with 5A pressure while she wastes precious Orgia gauge while blocking and what not

2) Run away. Aigis's boost takes up 1/5 of her gauge so she has to commit to each boost you can make her waste a lot of gauge trying to catch you. Any hit you get on her while she is boosting is a guaranteed counter hit, be prepared to convert into a combo. If she does 3-4 boosts, get ready and scout for her looking to change modes and go in again. jA is a great tool here, its faster and outranges her jC and has a lot of active frames even on the way down. Keep her honest with 2B and 5A if she just goes straight in from the front.

3) Block Aigis's bullshit. It's usually Mitsuru that forces other people to block her bullshit and now it's her turn.

IMO it's easier to predict than to react, watch out for obvious patterns like sweep > boost jB. Remember that boosting takes up almost a quarter of her Orgia gauge so if you can block 4 boost mix ups, get ready for her to make space for a safe mode change which practically gives up her momentum. If the Aigis likes to do cross ups a lot, keep in mind Mitsurus DP has a great hit box behind her so keep them honest with that. If you get knocked down from Megido, she gets an easy safe jump so try not to DP. Experiment with delay teching to throw her off her Oki game. You could also try to roll on wake up if she tries to do any jumping related Oki.

This match up isn't that bad, I still think it's in Mitsurus favour(still one of her "harder" match ups though) just learn to respect Aigis in Orgia mode.

Sorry for awkward grammar/spelling I might have looked over, typing with thumbs suck.

[Lord Knight]

you cant react to orgia mixup

and this is a bad match for mitsuru, but far from impossible

5b > boost jB/sweep is tight unless you ib 5B

[icilby]

Yeah, it's a bad matchup for Mitsuru but not that bad, just reminds me of 3S where the top character is a counter pick for the 2nd top character.

The keys to the matchup are more just about learning how to prevent Orgia activation and knowing when they'll do it. 2B into Orgia (unless they EX Orgia) is actually punishable with SB Coup (that is, if you're actually in range). It forces them to use a different Orgia activation without much lockdown so you won't have such a hard time spacing yourself right. It's easier to get out when they 5C into Orgia compared to them 2B into Orgia and the bullets hit you late into blockstun. If anyone knows how to deal/punish other Orgia activations, LET ME KNOW PLZ.

The only other thing I try to do that's matchup specific is a lot of 5C to try to time out Orgia mode or give myself some time to think, but it doesn't drain that much on idle D: I also try to mirror a bit in this matchup just to at least shut down some options/angles of approach.

[Reako]

Okay, I fight Aigis all the time. Here is my experience on the matchup.

Aigis' like to 2B into delayed sweep. Unless they are in orgia, keep blocking low, she can keep blockstrings going a lot longer than you'd expect. 

Don't jump too much, but do it enough to make them think you will so you can roll their 2B. Some Aigis' like to quickly orgia change next to you. If they orgia change out, just 2B, or if too far away, 5A> 2B. If they 2B orgia change next to you in offence, 2B the hell out of that. They will go for a j.B out of it almost 99% of the time. 
Aigis can't orgia change safely anywhere against Mitsuru, if you always keep your SB Coup Droit charged and ready. Stay on max range 5A a lot, but watch out for disrespecting 2Bs. Baiting is essential. Feel out your opponent and see how much you can get away with. j.B is a great tool here against her 2B, but don't get predictable, if they start rolling it and 5A punishing it, you know you are. For blocking her high low set up... Just practice. One good thing to do is to DP quite often and once they start respecting you, just keep jumping out with a j.B or just a regular safe/chicken jump. Once Aigis loses momentum against Mitsuru it can be really hard for her to regain it if you can properly keep her out. j.A is the most important tool in this MU. 

 

Watch out for Aigis' Heavenly Spear reversal, and don't go crazy with the 5Cs (Especially if you delay them), she can Goddess' Shield right through it, and she's safe after it if she's close enough to you due to 5A missing on her. Don't try to punish her Heavenly Spear on block, because you can't. Not even with IB. Aigis can Heavenly Spear through your D Bufula setup as well, but not if you do 2A> 2B> C Bufula> B Coup Droit> D Bufula. It sacrifices damage, but you'll be able to block her Heavenly Spear. Her j.C is something you have to watch out for a lot, after a burst, don't 2B her, even on full screen orgia dash in, her j.C will hit you before your overhead invulnerability sets in. Don't 2B Aigis too much, she can bait it very easily. If you feel they are being gutsy, though, by all means, do a dash in 2B, it's much more effective than you think. I want to say watch out for instant orgia dash crossups, but... you can't react to that. At least, I can't. When Aigis is safe jumping over you after a Megido fire prepare for such a crossup, a j.B or a land hold/2A. Don't do a B Coup Droit if Aigis has a shield set up. It will hit you before your Coup Droit is done recovering. Doing a 4[6] 4 Coup Droit won't make a difference to this. If you end up hitting Aigis you got lucky. j.C can be used once in a lifetime, but it's not much use here, Aigis' j.C beats it plain out, no questions asked. Baiting and waiting is quite important against Aigis, yet you can't give her enough time to go into Orgia, or you'll be on the defense until she runs out. If you do happen to get to pressure her doing orgia, you'll have to really watch out for disrespect 2Bs. Because these can go into sweeps for around 4k damage. Aigis can IB your 5A and punish you, going into a 3.5k combo with 25 meter.

Aigis has an insane reversal potential. If you pressure her the entire match, get her down to awakening and think you've won. Think Again. Aigis' are really bold, they will burst even when you've been clobbing them this entire round, because if they get one hit in with awakening and 75 meter it'll go up to 5.5k damage. With another 50 add another 1000. She'll put you back on equal grounds before you know what happened. If you're sure you can't block Aigis, block low, her sweep is much stronger a combo starter than her j.B or any other move is. Don't do throw mixups too much on Aigis, at least, don't go for the actual throws too much. If they realize you are going to do so and throw before you do, it will end up in you getting special propertied and getting FC'ed. A and SB coup droits CAN be handy in this matchup as a random pressure tool, in case they were going to 2B, but if they expect it and IB it, you'll be in for a sour ride. 

All in all, it's really knowing your opponent and making gambles at what they will do. You will play safe, but without a few unsafe/not optimal actions here and there you won't get anywhere. There is no all-in-all advice though, you'll have to deal with the situations as they come, you have to be insanely cautious and good at keeping your opponents out. Don't be afraid to waste 50 meter against Aigis for a guard break, but be aware, Aigis doesn't do ''full'' blockstrings in orgia mode all of the time, and you might just accidentally end up SB Coup Droiting and getting j.B'ed for it. 5A wiff is also very dangerous, she can jump and Orgia dash in to punish you for 4k damage. Don't think it's futile to block Aigis in orgia, because you think you'll get hit anyway. The more you drain their orgia, the quicker they will have to switch out and they might end up not even having enough for a full combo. If you can get through entire Aigis blockstrings and getting hit only at a point where she can do a small 2.5k combo to quickly end her orgia you're doing fine. You won't always be able to block everything against Aigis anyway, no matter how hard you try. Try your best, see what you can do, and see what they do. This matchup (IMO) really is playing extremely safe, waiting out, baiting out, a few handful of times (dangerously) calling out and keeping out. Not to forget, taking the b*tch out. Do your best and show them that this MU, if played right, can be hell for Aigis as well.

If there are any more questions regarding this MU, I'll answer best I can.