koogy Report post Posted April 10, 2007 Thanks to "cola" for finding out about this from a japanese site. The original thread can be found here. [ http://dustloop.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2651 ] GGXXNET patch website [ http://ggxxnet.mad.buttobi.net/index.html ] :kitty: CURRENT VERSION: 1.20-3 CURRENT VERSION: 1.20-3 CURRENT VERSION: 1.20-3 :kitty: Official #Reload online matchmaking IRC channel: #reloadonline on irc.chatspike.net - This is the new(ish) channel for finding games / hanging out with fellow #relaggers. Many thanks to KayinNasaki for hosting the new channel! There are two main lobbies in which to play: 1) www.nurupodensetsu.com/ggn/delay4/ggnlobby.cgi - The primary lobby for most online #Reload play. Is used pretty much exclusively by Europe, but also contains a good number of North American players. You'll find the best competition here, in general. There are actually 7 lobbies on this site, sorted by delay #: www.nurupodensetsu.com/ggn/delay1/ggnlobby.cgi www.nurupodensetsu.com/ggn/delay2/ggnlobby.cgi www.nurupodensetsu.com/ggn/delay3/ggnlobby.cgi www.nurupodensetsu.com/ggn/delay4/ggnlobby.cgi www.nurupodensetsu.com/ggn/delay5/ggnlobby.cgi www.nurupodensetsu.com/ggn/delay6/ggnlobby.cgi www.nurupodensetsu.com/ggn/ex/ggnlobby.cgi Japan plays in the Delay 2 lobby, the rest of the world plays in the Delay 4 lobby. 2) guiltygear.wingdreams.net/lobby.cgi - A rapidly growing lobby for North American players, now becoming popular due to its faster response time since it is located in the US. However, there are a ton of droppers and scrubs about, as the lobby is routinely linked at places like 4chan. More popular in the evening hours. Almost all players play on Delay 4. Q: HOW IS THE LAG LOL A: From my experience, I've had almost 100% perfect games (no input lag, no game lag), and I've had chop-suey 20fps with 40 frames of button lag. Generally, I can play with people from 10ms ~ 120ms smoothly. Some people have better connections to others. Q: These guys have 50+ winstreaks! OMG~! A: At this point, there is no "check" on if you actually left a game. I'm sure there are a number of reasons why this is, but you can simply leave the game if you are losing, and no points are lost on your streak. Obviously this is lame, because you prevent the person who beat you from getting points. Please show respect to your follow players, and accept your loses. This will also make your winstreaks much more impressive when you get higher numbers! Q: What about color edit mode? A: You can edit colors with GGXXNET's patcher. Go CRAZY and make people's eyeballs explode if you want. Others can see your color choice. Even if you both pick the same button color, the game will override it with your choices. EXAMPLE: I have custom Zappa S color, Player 2 has normal Zappa S color. We both get our choices, regardless. Q: Does the patch work with the PAL version of GGXX #R? A: As far as we know, this is most likely a no. It was designed specifically with the Japanese version in mind. Q: HALP! The lobby is empty! A: Make sure that the lobby that is entered into ggxxnet_config.exe is exactly as follows: www.nurupodensetsu.com/ggn/delay4/ggnlobby.cgi OR guiltygear.wingdreams.net/lobby.cgi So, do not include the "http://" for the nurupodensetsu lobbies, and leave out the entire "http://www." for the wingdreams lobby. If this doesn't fix your problem, you may be behind a router / protected network, and need to forward ports in order to play (see below for help with this). Here is LightningCancel's guide on "How to get this shiz to workz" Hi, this is to help you get GGXXNet running perfectly. Compiled from information found on dustloop - #ggxxonline (Updated As of 4/9/07) 1.) Obtain the *Japanese* version of GGXX #Reload, I won't tell you where to find it. Google is your brother. 2.) Download and install that baby and run the config.exe to set your controls. Note: Since this is a Japanese game, it will take a while to begin the installation process. Once installation begins, you'll have to click the button on the far right a few times. On some systems, this button will have Japanese text followed by '(N)'. If the installation window closes after you clicked the button, then it means you clicked the wrong one. Try the one next to it instead. 3.) Download the GGXXNet patch from: http://ggxxnet.mad.buttobi.net/index.html Right now, we're upto 1.04. 4.) Head to your Guilty Gear XX #Reload directory in program files, that's: C:\Program Files\GUILTY GEAR XX # RELOAD and change the folder's name to 'GUILTY GEAR XX #RELOAD'. So now, the new folder will be located at: C:\Program Files\GUILTY GEAR XX #RELOAD. 5.) Extract the files from the XXNet package into your GG dir. 6.) Run the patcher file, and it'll automatically patch your ggxx.exe and create a backup called ggxx.OLD. If anything goes wrong with your game, delete the ggxx.exe and rename the ggxx.OLD to ggxx.exe and run the patcher again. 7.) Open the ggxxnet_config.exe, change the server script address to: www.nurupodensetsu.com/ggn/ggnlobby.cgi and choose your port, and change the delay frame to 4. Most players use 4. *IF YOU HAVE A ROUTER, PLEASE READ*: If you have a router, by default you will have to forward TCP port 10000 on your router.This port can be replaced with any other port as long as you remember to forward it on your router. Some people (including myself) have found that enabling DMZ as well on the router helps connection problems. 8.) Right click your ggxx.exe, copy it, then paste a shortcut on the desktop. 9.) Run the ggxx.exe, and enable shortcut mode. To do this, go to: options>>game options>>shortcut mode on and exit to save it. Then run the game again, and you'll see ggxxnet at the bottom of the menu. When you enter this mode, please keep an eye on the player status. Status Key: IDLE OK - good to go BUSY NG fighting with other players NO RESPONCE NG the player in not in the VS NET screen, or player is not in the game EX ENABLE/DISABLE NG Enable ExCharacter option setting is different(In ggxx_net_config.exe you can enable ex characters) DELAY # NG Change your Delay Frame setting in your ggxx_net_config.exe to match the other player's Delay Frame setting, then you should be able to connect to them (it seems that most ppl I see online set their Delay Frame to 2) VER ERR x.xx NG Player's GGXX NET version is older than yours VER ERR ??? NG Player's GGXXNET version is newer than yours 10.) Enjoy How to open your ports to play online <- Thanks to Doveston If you want to know if you're set up right use the Custom Port Test on http://whatsmyip.org/ports/ put in the port you're using (default 10000) and click check port If you get: Timeout then the port isn't forwarded and this isn't going to work well/at all for you If you get: Closed Error Number: 61 Connection refused that's fine, it means the port is being forwarded but you don't have Guilty Gear running Once you have netpatched Guilty Gear running (just running don't have to connect or anything) you should get: Open which means it should work PLAYER LIST. CURRENTLY WE HAVE 208 PLAYERS! Format: Dustloop Username | #Reload PlayerName | Location | Delay Setting WEST COAST & CENTRAL USA / CANADA PLAYERS: Kugler | Koogy | Reno, Nevada | Delay 4 Sytha | Sytha | Seattle, Washington | Delay 4 ToTheFace | CA-OZZY | Santa Barbara, California | Delay 4 Boostmetal | Boostmetal | California | Delay 4 nagai | NAGAI-CA | British Columbia, Canada | Delay 4 Jellyfish_pat | Cali-JFP | Milpitas, California| Delay 4 Goldenrody| Psylocke | Los Angeles, CA | Delay 4 Rocky | Rocky | Lawndale, California (Los Angeles) | Delay 4 frcflyingjohnny | FRCFLY | Los Angeles, CA | Delay 4/6 Fullmetal | Fullmetal | Portland, OR | Delay 4 Lajin Da Great | Lajin | Albuquerque, NM | Delay 4 Teyah | Teyah | North British Columbia, Canada | Delay 4 Xtra_Zero | GameKyuubi | Santa Cruz, California | Delay 4 cola | COLA | Alberta, Canada | Delay 4 wyze(jam) | CA-VIREN | san diego, ca Deox | Deox | Merced, Ca | Delay 4 MasterT | MasterT | Tacoma, Washington | Delay 4 Kicks | Kicks | Laramie, Wyoming | Delay 4 Spirit Juice | SJUICE | Sacramento, CA | Delay 4 Shinobiashi | S-Blade | Seattle, WA | Delay 4 (I think) Donutholes | Donutholes | San Jose, CA | Delay 4 RisingStars | Stars | San Francisco, California | Delay 4 TGS | TGS | Riverside, CA | Delay 4 Mayftw | Mayftw | Santa Cruz, California | Delay 4 SuperDK | SuperDK | California | Delay 4 ImpactBeast | impctbeast | California | Delay 4 Ky Kiske X | Ky Kiske X | California, USA | Delay 4 Dr. StormLocke | DrStrmLk / Stormlocke | SoCal: Laguna Beach | Delay 4 shtkn | shtkn | san diego, cali| Delay 4 Merilyn | Merilyn | Los Angeles, CA | Delay 4 Lester | Lest | Alberta, Canada | Delay 4 Blitz | keybordftl | Irvine, CA | Delay 4 ejdge | midnight | Issaquah, WA | Delay 4 ARMS | ARMS | Davis, California | Delay 4 Free | Free | So Cal | Delay 4 Jo | X-menkaiJO | CA | Delay 4 psycho_crusher | MikeBison | San Diego, CA | Delay 4 HoLyOrDeR_RiOn | FallenSol / HO-Rion | Utah | Delay 4 VVSolVV | VVSolVV | San Jose, CA | Delay 4 bbobjs | BBOBJS | California, USA | Delay 4 Ninja | Ninja | Omaha,Nebraska USA | Delay 4 Killey | Killey | Alberta, Canada | Delay 4 Navi | Navi | Kansas, USA | Delay 4 IceTrap | IceTrap | San Clemente CA, USA | Delay 4 H-F Blade | HF-Blade | Irvine, CA | Delay 4 Emerge | Emerge | Bay Area, CA | Delay 4 kac123ige | kac | Bay Area, CA | Delay 4 Exigent | Exigent | Arlington, WA | Delay 4 Hayato182004 | Hayato | Orange County, California | Delay 4 Morzas | Morzas | Seattle, Washington | Delay 4 bungiefan | BUNGIEFAN | Anchorage Alaska USA | Delay 4 24ji | 24ji | The Bay Area CA | Delay 4 Pervert_Q | Pervert_Q | Denton, TX usa | Delay 4 FaustAndFurious | FunGao | Toronto, Canada | Delay 4 Kaoshin | Kao | Austin, Tx | Delay 4 Arvoyea | Arvoyea | California, USA | Delay 4 DarkWarrior | DarkWarrior | Vancouver, Canada | Delay 4 SpicyCrab | SpicyCrab | California, USA | Delay 4 EAST COAST, USA / CANADA PLAYERS: Kayin Nasaki | KayinN | Central Islip, New York | Delay 4 LightningCancel | LCancel | Bx, New York | Delay 4 Spire | Spire | Knoxville, TN | Delay 4 KomagPHL | KomagPHL | Fairfax, Virginia | Delay 4 Silent Shinobi |Kyou-Zero | Birmingham, Alabama | Delay 4 BloodTalon67 | LOLO | South Texas, USA | Delay 4 Kayin | KAYIN | New London, CT | Delay 4 hangphyr | CA-hangfyr | Saskatchewan, Canada | Delay 4 san-tokie | m u g e n | Chicago, IL | Delay 4 Chuckles | Chuckles | Dade City, FL | Delay 4 wuy3 | wuy3 | North Haven, CT | Delay 4-6 Kobayashi | Kobayashi | Urbana, IL | Delay 4 Kenshin6321 | shadowred | Cincinnati, OH | Delay 4 Klaige | Klaige | West Des Moines, IA | Delay 4 Marn | Marnichiban | Austin, TX | Delay 4 Zinac | Zinac | Lexington, KY | Delay 4 AyaImmortal | PatchyAya | Pennsylvania | Delay 4 madmoochie|madmoochie | Buffalo, NY | Delay 4 Waffle | waffle | St. James, New York | Delay 4 040488 | 040488 | Augusta, Ga | whatever is popular Vicioso | Vicioso / MaximumCarnage | Indiana | Delay 4 4r5 | 4R5 | Wheaton, Maryland | Delay 4 Hitaro0 | Hitaro | New Brunswick, Canada | Delay 4 Z-BR.LA | Z-BR.LA | Baton Rouge, Louisiana | Delay 4 Nagger | Naggr | Ontario, Canada | Delay 4 (or whatever's popular) whicker | CallmeKing | Louisiana | Delay 4 WangBuster | Mingy | Louisiana | Delay 4 Mezuia | Mezuia | Georgia, USA | Delay 4 Jonathan Ingram | Abom. K | Alexandria, VA | Delay 4 Shazay | Shazay | Springfield, Virginia | Delay 4 Ic3y Ac3 | D Nyc3 | Miami,FL | Delay 4 Spicy Salami | Spicy J | Toronto, Canada | Delay 4 ForestBlazer | ForstBlazr | Canada, ON, Mississauga | Delay 4 oyg | OYG | Greenville, SC | 4 Gabe | Darkhonor | Miami,Florida | 4 floe | floe | chicago IL | Delay 4 Sigma | Sigii | Chicago, IL | Delay 4 shadow_light_7 | bluwarrior | Temple, TX | Delay 4 ? | AZUREPHX | Memphis,TN | Delay 4 Cj | coyotejr | washington D.C | Delay 4 TheDMK |TheDMK |Port Jefferson Station, NY|Delay 4 shinquickman |sqm | Miami, FL| Delay 4 Waxx l Waxx l Mckinney, TX l Delay 4 Kyoshi |Kyoshi|Florida|Delay 4 E_iZ_Seri0us | ZODIAC | BX, NYC, USA | Delay 4 FatCat | Frank Dukes | Pittsburgh | Delay 4 Bob Washington | BOBWASHchi |Chicago Il | Delay 4 Zazz | ZAZZ | Massachusetts | Delay 4 Gattsu | GATTSU | Boston, MA | Delay 4 R2ya | Rip2ya | Indianapolis, Indiana | Delay 4 j1n | j1n | Ohio | Delay 4 nova314 | Kabu To | Georgia, USA | Delay 4 Arc Impulse | ArcImpulse | Shawnee, Kansas | Delay 4 jmuzz | jmuzz | Nova Scotia, Canada | Delay 4 Light_Nazgul | lnazgul | Vermont | Delay 4 aatc / Jesus Christ | JESUS | Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada | Delay 4 Mistral | Mistral | Montreal, Canada | Delay 4 Weltall | Weltall | Orlando | Delay 4 DF2K | DF2K | Charlotte NC | Delay 4 Kidblinks | KIDBLINKS | Mt.Vernon, NY | Delay 4 SonGohanX | SGX | Myrtle Beach SC | Delay 4 DubiousCurvLoop | DBCLoop | Norfolk, VA | Delay 4 Dizzynecro | Dizzynecro | Dayton, OH | Delay 4 Mr. Mamation | MrMamation | Centreville, VA | Delay 4 06falcon | HUGOV | Chicago IL | Delay 4 Braver | Braver | New York | Delay 4 PiscesPimpedout | AfroSamrai | Florida | Delay 4 Zero000 | Zero000 | VA | Delay 4 NuckinFutz | NuckinFutz | MA | Delay 4 Ryujin | Ryujin | Orlando, FL| Delay 4 JohnnyCritter l JCritter l Bellerose, NY l Delay 4 Dorkdav | DORKDAV | Naples, Florida | Delay 4 noro l noro l Atlanta, GA l Delay 4 Maero | Maero | Ames, IA | Delay 4 ObsidianEX | OBSIDIANEX | North Carolina, USA | Delay 4 Ceron | Ceron | Virginia, USA | Delay 4 Dizzynecro | Dizzynecro | Dayton, OH | Delay 4 solo | solo | Wisconsin, USA | Delay 4 Skane | Cruxis | Florda, Usa | Delay 4 Nuclear Cheese | CHEESE | USA Northeast | Delay 4 Hissatsu | Hissatsu | Jacksonville, FL, USA | Delay 4 BlackandRed | RMILLER | Buffalo, NY | Delay 4 megalomania | PatlikesGG | Atl, GA | Delay 4 Ryu | Saiten / Air-Master | GA, USA | Delay4 Canusee | Cloud | Michigan, USA | Delay 4 Jirashi | Jirashi | Buffalo, NY | Delay 4 Sotai | Sotai | Richfield, OH | Delay 4 psilo / 2nd_God | psilo | Ohio, USA | Delay 4 takumi124 | takumi | Pennsylvania, USA | Delay 4 JinSaotome | JinSaotome | Massacusetts | Delay 4 Woocash | Woocash | Chicago,IL | Delay 4 BaSiK TeKniK | TeKniK | South Bend Indiana | Delay 4 madpinger | madpinger | EC | Delay 4 Seifersythe | Seif | Little Rock, Arkansas | Delay 4 Lamebot | Lamebot | Dublin, Ohio | Delay 4 Movian | Movian | Sarasota, Florida, USA |Delay 4 10stars | 10 Stars | New Jersey, USA | Delay 4 KarlKablisk | KarlKablisk | NY,NY | Delay 2 and 4 KySol | KySol / Guilty_Kid | Virginia, VA | Delay 4 Arthvader | Arthvader | Naples, FL | Delay 4 Atomsk | Atomsk | MA, USA | Delay 4 EUROPEAN / INTERNATIONAL PLAYERS Doveston | DalaiDan | UK | Delay 4 Nehle | EUR-NEHLE | Lund, Sweden | Delay 4 Diveman | Diveman | Iquique, Chile | Delay 4 phoenix | PHOENIX | Noord-Brabant, Netherlands | Delay 4 [simply]p_hat | RUSS-NEURO | Yalta, Ukraine| Delay 4 IreulTheSlayer | RUS-IREUL | Russia, Cheboksary | Delay 6 j_xker | VIE.J-XKER | Ha Noi, Viet Nam | Delay 4 Kintaro | KINTARO | Manila, Philippines | Delay 4 Rairyuu Sho | RAIRYUSHO | Manila, Philippines | Delay 4 M.D. | M.D. | Europe | Delay 2 Cieslak | Cieslak | Poland | Delay 4 cerb0z | EUR-CERBO2 | Belarus | Delay 4 Sundown | Sundown | Mexico City, Mexico | Delay 4 k_e_i_k_u_n_1_7 | keikun17 | Philippines | Delay 4 axel | AXEL | Singapore | Delay 4 Kyosuke Kagami | KagamiKy | Querétaro, MX | Delay 4 Aliginge | Aliginge | UK | Delay 4 Bumrusher | Bumrusher | Brunei | Delay 4 Zakuta Asura | YOUZANSEN | UK | Delay 4 Dream Maker | DREAMMAKER | France | Delay 4 kaworu | kaworu | Delay 4 England (eur) Afroduck | Afroduck | Belgium (Europe) | Delay 4 md|geist | MDGEIST | Flensburg, Germany | Delay 4 CypherGreen | Cyph | England | Delay 4 Chitt Zangiff | Goga | Saint-Petersburg, Russia | Delay 4 Neon | Raven | Saint-Petersburg, Russia | Delay 4 Nekomon | SWE-NEKO | Gothenburg, Sweden | Delay 4 RabbitDynamite | R.DYNAMITE | Guernsey, UK | Delay 4 KA-GE-MA-TSU-RI | ORGASM-UK / my sweet wet cunt | UK | Delay 4 Fettered | Fettered | RO | Delay 4 Akabane_Kurudo | AKABANE | France | Delay 4 Yukik | YUKIK.FR | France | Delay 4 [simply]P_HAT | P_HAT.UA | Yalta, Ukraine | Delay 4 Shiriku | Shiriku | France | Delay 4 twerp | GREYBODEGA | Manila, the Philippines | Delay 6, occasionally 2 or 4 Action | Action | Poland | Delay 4 Hidden | HIDDEN | France (EU) | Delay 4 kanj_th3_ann0ya | VIE.KANJ | Ha Noi, Viet Nam | Delay 2/4 reaVer | reaVer | Netherlands | Delay 2 Raxel | Raxel (Spain) | Spain | Delay 4 Shindoh | Shindoh | Hamburg, Germany | Delay 4 Crake | Crake | Manchester, England | Delay 4 Ioria_M. | Ioria M. | Italy | Delay 4 sacrededge | cleo | Manila, Philippines | Delay 2 serbak | Lan / Katamaru | Moscow, Russia | Delay 4 Zefar | Zefar | Sweden - Gothenburg(or close to it at least) | KiraSTRIKE | KiraSTRIKE | Fairview, Quezon City - Philippines | Delay 4 Fontes | Fontes | Torres Vedras, Portugal | Delay 4 holy diver | Holydiver | Rome, Italy | Delay 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sytha Report post Posted April 10, 2007 Sytha|Sytha|Seattle Washington USA|Delay 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AyaImmortal Report post Posted April 10, 2007 PatchyAya/Pennsylvania/Delay 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LightningCancel Report post Posted April 10, 2007 LightningCancel | LCancel | Bx, New York USA | Delay 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonathan Ingram Report post Posted April 10, 2007 I never got a reply in the other thread: does the patch work with the PAL version of #Reload? Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LightningCancel Report post Posted April 10, 2007 I don't think it will work, the patch was made specifically for the Japanese version. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spire Report post Posted April 10, 2007 Spire | Spire | Knoxville, TN | Delay 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doveston Report post Posted April 10, 2007 Doveston | DalaiDan | UK | Delay 4 (maybe make a separate list for US/Europe? because it gets pretty laggy playing over that distance) also can you add this info about checking ports to your post: http://www.dustloop.com/forums/showpost.php?p=126558&postcount=249 because it sucks for everyone having people behind routers/firewalls keep trying and failing to connect. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TotheFace Report post Posted April 10, 2007 TotheFace | CA-OZZY | Santa Barbara, California USA | Delay 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boostmetal Report post Posted April 10, 2007 Boostmetal | Boostmetal | California, USA | Delay 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KomagPHL Report post Posted April 10, 2007 KomagPHL | KomagPHL | Fairfax, Virginia USA | Delay 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nagai Report post Posted April 10, 2007 nagai | NAGAI-CA | British Columbia, Canada | Delay 4 Formerly known as Canada-DI. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Diveman Report post Posted April 10, 2007 Diveman / Diveman / Iquique, Chile / Delay 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shinobi! Report post Posted April 10, 2007 Silent Shinobi | Kyou-Zero | Birmingham, Al | Delay 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jellyfish_pat Report post Posted April 10, 2007 Cali-Jfp, milpitas California, delay 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BloodTalon67 Report post Posted April 10, 2007 BloodTalon67 | LOLO | South Texas, USA | Delay 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hangphyr Report post Posted April 10, 2007 hangphyr | CA-hangfyr | SK, Canada | Delay 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
M.D. Report post Posted April 10, 2007 Wow there's a gravity lag going on there, i'm on Delay 4 and when i have good ping with someone , the game moves ok but i'm under the impression that the gravity is bigger and the character falls down very fast , it's very disorienting and it's going to take a while to get used to. Some of the people i played didn't have much trouble though as they mopped the floor with me with enormous combos. Anyways, beats playing the AI a million times Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[simply]P_HAT Report post Posted April 10, 2007 RUSS-NEURO|Yalta;Ukrain|Delay 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
san-tokie Report post Posted April 10, 2007 san-tokie | m u g e n | Chicago, IL | Delay 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chuckles Report post Posted April 10, 2007 Good place for my first post! I suck at this, most of you guys have probably grown tired of destroying me constantly >_> Chuckles | Chuckles | Dade City, FL | Delay 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wuy3 Report post Posted April 11, 2007 wuy3 | wuy3 | North Haven, CT | Delay 4-6 newb millia here Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kayin Report post Posted April 11, 2007 Kayin | KAYIN | New London, CT | Delay 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kayin Nasaki Report post Posted April 11, 2007 Kayin Nasaki | KayinN | Central Islip, New York | Delay 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Goldenrody Report post Posted April 11, 2007 Goldenrody | Psylocke | Los Angeles, CA | Delay 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites