Marvel Player struggling to improve

[TopTierTaite]

Hello everyone,

I've been playing UMvC3 for roughly two years now and I'm fairly efficient at it (nowhere near Justin or ChrisG's levels, but I think I'm okay). I started my ASW "career" in P4A around the time as last year's SCR. I liked the game and I wanted to learn it. I found a training partner (His name here is Will-Of-Fortune, I believe) and when we play I get utterly destroyed. I tried guilty gear and I get bodied worse and when I tried BBCP, I got bodied so hard that it was the first time I got "salty" over a game. I've been reading the DL wiki constantly and I'm honestly putting in my all with little to no results showing for it except for a losing record on PSN. I'm saving up for Evo (or at least CEO) this year and I want to make some noise out there. I'm currently focusing on BBCP only and I'm trying to learn Noel recently, but I honestly tend to hop around (I've played Ragna, Jin, Rachel (I like her the most, but I'm terrible with her), and Kagura (I've had success with him)) . I've watched Nano play and I've been doing her trials and learning how she plays, but it's pretty hard. So, my big question is this: How can a person coming from Umvc3 get better at an Anime fighter, particularly BBCP?

Also, sorry If this question's been asked before.

[Airk]

Hello everyone,

I've been playing UMvC3 for roughly two years now and I'm fairly efficient at it (nowhere near Justin or ChrisG's levels, but I think I'm okay). I started my ASW "career" in P4A around the time as last year's SCR. I liked the game and I wanted to learn it. I found a training partner (His name here is Will-Of-Fortune, I believe) and when we play I get utterly destroyed. I tried guilty gear and I get bodied worse and when I tried BBCP, I got bodied so hard that it was the first time I got "salty" over a game. I've been reading the DL wiki constantly and I'm honestly putting in my all with little to no results showing for it except for a losing record on PSN. I'm saving up for Evo (or at least CEO) this year and I want to make some noise out there. I'm currently focusing on BBCP only and I'm trying to learn Noel recently, but I honestly tend to hop around (I've played Ragna, Jin, Rachel (I like her the most, but I'm terrible with her), and Kagura (I've had success with him)) . I've watched Nano play and I've been doing her trials and learning how she plays, but it's pretty hard. So, my big question is this: How can a person coming from Umvc3 get better at an Anime fighter, particularly BBCP?

Also, sorry If this question's been asked before.

Well, this is going to be a big pile of generic advice, because you haven't really given us anything to go on, and there's nothing special about being a UMvC3 player that's going to help clarify particularly either. So.

• Stop "hopping" - pick a character and PLAY them. Learn them. If you're bouncing around between 5 characters, you're effectively slowing whatever development you might be getting down to about 25% of what it would be if you focused on one.
  
• Save your replays. Watch your replays. Figure out why you are losing.
  
• Possible reasons you might be losing are:
  
  1. You suck at blocking. This is probably the case if you come from MvC3, since blocking is terrible in that game. Learn what moves hit how and practice.
     
  2. Your neutral game is bad. How you play at neutral will vary depending on what character you pick and what the matchup is. Ask your community.
     
  3. You do dumb stuff. There's a lot of dumb stuff in this game that will just get you punched in the face for doing it. Learn not to do these things.
     
  4. 
     

  [*] Yeah, you can work on some combos, no clever tricks here, just have to grind them out. There's a community who can answer specific questions if you actually pick a character.

  [*] Play a lot. There's no substitute.

  [*] Ask your training partner what you're doing wrong. Another perspective can be valuable, but be warned, a lot of people SUCK at giving advice, so take it with a grain of salt. Alternatively, you can upload some replays and let your character community give you some guidance.

  [*] Stop pushing so damn many buttons.

[TopTierTaite]

Thanks! I'm going to improve my blocking (which I am pretty bad at admittedly), try to learn what Noel can do in the neutral game, and learn her combos. No offense to my partner, but he tends to give me very vague hints of what I'm doing wrong so I'm gonna try to get a capture card to upload to the Noel critique thread. Thank you very much!

[Appledash-]

Blazblue and guilty gear both just require a lot of practice to get the hang of the neutral. Noel is particularly reliant on good fundamentals so your success with her will reflect that.

I'm sure someone would be able to explain more in depth since I'm still figuring it out myself.

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[Airk]

Thanks! I'm going to improve my blocking (which I am pretty bad at admittedly), try to learn what Noel can do in the neutral game, and learn her combos. No offense to my partner, but he tends to give me very vague hints of what I'm doing wrong so I'm gonna try to get a capture card to upload to the Noel critique thread. Thank you very much!

Sounds good; I'm sure the Noel community can help you out with some suggestions of what your game plan should look like.

[Fortune]

Because this is a fairly slow subforum and based on your performance last Friday (March 14), I'll semi-necro this to give more information to see if anyone else can help with this since I didn't know this earlier.

 

Your problems are pretty much what they've said, and despite the OP's claims I have blatantly said them multiple times. We've been on this same issue since January.

I'm bad on execution due to grad school things but I'm keeping up with the information and giving him full feedback.

 

Very soon after the OP, I even gave him a full detailed word doc of what he did wrong, more details about Mu, and several videos on Noel and what you all also said.

 

I main Mu, but a lot of the following holds true with all 3 games I played you in or even when I play another character:

• You have poor blocking and neutral & you do very dumb stuff
• I'm not even doing standard blockstrings/mixups because ADHD gets in the way so you're getting hit by regular mid attacks like 5B/5C all the time.
• You run in headfirst for everything, you really need to think about how to approach/retreat and know the range of your opponent. 5C counter hit round openings are a common sight. You've ran into *charged* Sword of Decimation many times straight on.
• You are very predictable with Optic Barrel, you consistently back airdash to the corner for it to try to zone me. I don't know if that is a carry over from Marvel.
• You yourself said that you don't know what to do for oki. Running fullscreen to be right in my face just to throw all the time is not a good strategy. You need to mix in your throws in pressure.
• You go for grabs (ground and air) entirely too much when you're not even in range. 
• You go for the wrong Noel drive on block or whiff and get punished for it hard.
• You have tunnel vision with the laser fortress (which I'm doing super bad). (The salt that he's talking about)

What you need to do is stop playing me right now because I've memorized you too much. Play more. Play against other people/characters. (I also need to do that)

[crimsonstardust]

I wish I had seen this earlier, I come from a pretty heavy UMvC3 background myself I probably can give you a few pointers as I play BBCP as a main game.

 

I'm sure you know that like in UMvC3 the neutral in these types of games are pretty important, your not gonna be able to cover yourself the same way like you can in UMvC3 if you play a rushdown based game with something like plasma beam covering your approach, your probably used to the meta being touch of death (or at least dealing a lot of damage at once), your gonna have to be more aware of things like positioning and setting up Okis cause their aren't many characters in BBCP that can create lockdowns and force mix ups like in UMvC3. Its going to be very important to know what your character can do as there are no assist to cover weaknesses or strengthen a character's assets, unlike UMvC3, you really have to invest a lot of time to learn a character, a lot more then you would in UMvC3 as a lot of the fundamentals or thought processes of one character do not translate as well to another character, you can take somethings you learned and apply some stuff but the cast in BBCP is so much diverse so the idea of hoping around characters is not a good idea unless your willing to spend time. Based on what your training partner mentioned, you follow a lot of bad habits that UMvC3 players fall victim to, I play Noel well enough to tell you that, yes she has pretty good air throw game but that also requires you to make those right reads as Noel has strong pressure and you need to make people fear pressing buttons, optic barrel is something you can get slapped for using to much, you have to use this sparingly as she is left pretty open if you miss with it, and honestly she has a hard time dealing with strong zoners. Anyway before I get off topic more, the key thing to know is you have to be patient, know when to go in and learn the strengths and cons of your character and know what your options are vs your opponent's options are like in any fighting game.

[tataki]

I'm saving up for Evo (or at least CEO) this year and I want to make some noise out there.

You should play the game because you find it interesting and fun, not to get respect from other people. You should go to those events but not to "make some noise"- Go to play and meet people and learn.

[Airk]

You should play the game because you find it interesting and fun, not to get respect from other people. You should go to those events but not to "make some noise"- Go to play and meet people and learn.

 

Well, actually, this game needs people to make some noise about it in a positive way.

[Fortune]

You should play the game because you find it interesting and fun, not to get respect from other people. You should go to those events but not to "make some noise"- Go to play and meet people and learn.

Not to mention that he has these preconceptions with equating quality of videos (as in viewing) with quality of the player (which is definitely not true) and also only following "big name" tournament players (This itself is not "bad," but he constantly claims that he can never find Noel videos when I seem to find more than plenty popping up every other day).

[TopTierTaite]

I wish I had seen this earlier, I come from a pretty heavy UMvC3 background myself I probably can give you a few pointers as I play BBCP as a main game.

 

I'm sure you know that like in UMvC3 the neutral in these types of games are pretty important, your not gonna be able to cover yourself the same way like you can in UMvC3 if you play a rushdown based game with something like plasma beam covering your approach, your probably used to the meta being touch of death (or at least dealing a lot of damage at once), your gonna have to be more aware of things like positioning and setting up Okis cause their aren't many characters in BBCP that can create lockdowns and force mix ups like in UMvC3. Its going to be very important to know what your character can do as there are no assist to cover weaknesses or strengthen a character's assets, unlike UMvC3, you really have to invest a lot of time to learn a character, a lot more then you would in UMvC3 as a lot of the fundamentals or thought processes of one character do not translate as well to another character, you can take somethings you learned and apply some stuff but the cast in BBCP is so much diverse so the idea of hoping around characters is not a good idea unless your willing to spend time. Based on what your training partner mentioned, you follow a lot of bad habits that UMvC3 players fall victim to, I play Noel well enough to tell you that, yes she has pretty good air throw game but that also requires you to make those right reads as Noel has strong pressure and you need to make people fear pressing buttons, optic barrel is something you can get slapped for using to much, you have to use this sparingly as she is left pretty open if you miss with it, and honestly she has a hard time dealing with strong zoners. Anyway before I get off topic more, the key thing to know is you have to be patient, know when to go in and learn the strengths and cons of your character and know what your options are vs your opponent's options are like in any fighting game.

Thanks Crimson, this helped me out very much!!!

[LunaKage]

If you play Noel, make sure to drop by the Noel subforum, if you have any way to record your matches, post them in the critique thread and either myself, or one of the many helpful Noel players that post there will be happy to give you pointers.

 

You'll be happy to know, that just like Mahvel Baybee, Noel plays a very momentum based game, and is also full of some fun bullshit.