Inputting 214214, 236236, and 44 in P4A

[Qispichiq]

Hello! So I'm a mediocre P4A player and I'm not really on the level of a "noobie" or anything, but one thing I never got consistently in this game are supers and back dashes, it's costed quite a few games where I feel if the input registered I would have won. 

the first question I have is on supers, in other fighting games like SF or KOF I can do 236236/214214 just fine but in p4a, a lot of the time it doesn't register, even without the pressure of not actually being in a match I only get it 90% times in training mode

(sorry for video quality, my capture card is like outdated by 8 years)

The first input did the super but the other didn't, I think it has something to do with other inputs? Trying it just now calmly in training mode I got it nearly every time but sometimes when 7 or something is inputed before the first 2 it doesn't work? Idk

as for 44(ie, backdashes), I can input them time I just have a had time doing in a way that doesn't feel awkward, I think it might be bad habit but I lay my hand out semi-flat and press 66 with a lot of force on the second 6. Because I can't do this as I place my hand on the left of my stick when I play I have used the following methods with little consistent success

• laying my other 4 fingers back and using only my thump(best one for me so far but only works like half the time)
• moving my hand to the other side of the stick and pushing it
• using my right hand
• graping the stick with my whole hand and pressing back

I use this grip on my stick for reference, but I think I grasp it more gently then the guy in this picture

So any help to offer? :3

[Celerity]

A stick grip is meant to be flexible, not rigid. You want your fingers to do most of the work, as they are your body's most effective tools for doing fine movements quickly. It seems to me that you're trying too hard to keep your hand tight while using your arm or wrist to make the motions; don't do that. With the grip you pictured, you should be able to use your thumb and index+middle finger to accomplish any motion in a fighting game, while your arm and other two fingers are merely there for support.

 

For 236 specifically, the index/middle finger can push down while the back of your hand pushes forward, and for 214 your index finger can do everything by itself. 44 is the same way; your thumb or index finger can do that alone without any help. You'll end up adding the power of your arm naturally for extra speed and comfort, but that should not be the focus. Try practicing by spending as little energy as possible to do your motions, and then adapt that into whatever feels comfortable and natural for you.

 

All that said, everyone has their own style. I've seen some people hold the stick like a club and wave their arm wildly like a 3-year old with his first coloring book, so you can certainly go that route if it suits you.

[Qispichiq]

A stick grip is meant to be flexible, not rigid. You want your fingers to do most of the work, as they are your body's most effective tools for doing fine movements quickly. It seems to me that you're trying too hard to keep your hand tight while using your arm or wrist to make the motions; don't do that. With the grip you pictured, you should be able to use your thumb and index+middle finger to accomplish any motion in a fighting game, while your arm and other two fingers are merely there for support.

 

For 236 specifically, the index/middle finger can push down while the back of your hand pushes forward, and for 214 your index finger can do everything by itself. 44 is the same way; your thumb or index finger can do that alone without any help. You'll end up adding the power of your arm naturally for extra speed and comfort, but that should not be the focus. Try practicing by spending as little energy as possible to do your motions, and then adapt that into whatever feels comfortable and natural for you.

 

All that said, everyone has their own style. I've seen some people hold the stick like a club and wave their arm wildly like a 3-year old with his first coloring book, so you can certainly go that route if it suits you.

Thank you! I definitely felt like I was more successful and less worn out trying to input it with less power. I've seen in a lot of trial and combo videos, as well as live matches, people tend to seem super calm despite being in such an aggressive setting, and I've tried to emulate that as it seems like that "right" way I guess. 44 feels a bit awkward still, I'll try the index finger only thing but sometimes end up using 1 sometimes instead.