[CSE] Relius Clover General Discussion "Family Man Extraordinaire"

[Arifureta]

Relius/Haku is in Haku's favor all day. He can just sit there and block 95% of what you do on reaction. Usually, if Haku can block you, he can counter you. He can cut through some of ignis' specials, and can turn the battle against you very quickly. His neutral game, damage, and mix up are all better than yours. This is an uphill battle for Relius, moreso than it is for Carl.

I hate that match up. Mu/Lambda are better matchups than Haku imo.

Blocking is pretty much something everyone does and not a Hakumen specific thing. If you treat him as a character with a DP then I think you'll be in better shape overall. Worst case scenario, just stick to your actual blockstring and don't get greedy

I agree that his neutral game and damage are better than Relius, but his mixups aren't really anything scary. I feel it's the same as Relius in that it's good that he has them, but you're not going to be scoring a lot of overheads consistently. Plus he needs heat for his overheads so his mixup really isn't anything special. In my opinion, if he's close enough to be doing mixups then it's a good thing because now I don't have to worry about getting in, which I feel is the most problematic part of this matchup.

Lambda matchup is just hell though. There is literally no neutral game because she will be pressuring you from full screen. Even summoning Ignis takes more thought than usual because if you get careless, that's a free hit. Although thankfully she doesn't have a lot of answers when you actually do get close.

Didn't mean to spark productive banter, lol. But it's good to get a feel on this match.

Ahaha, yeah. I'm looking forward to Kurushii's assessment of this matchup.

[Kurushii]

Guardian has been playing Sans so unless I figure out different options to use then my assessment is going to be very similar to his view.

[Kurushii]

Closing this thread and starting a new one in celebration for NA. It'll be in the archives if info is needed from it later.