[CSE] Jin vs Noel

[Jyosua]

Well honestly, Jin should be playing this matchup like Noel is a tiny, speedy, Tager.

That's exactly how I treat this matchup... it's fucking annoying though. I find abusing max range j.C works well for a LOT of matchups though. Ragna included. On an interesting note, if someone tries to 4D your j.2C but reacts too late, you can go directly into sekkajin and beat out 4D. XD It's a scrubby tactic, but it works.

[xlolxlolx]

NEVER 6D ON WAKEUP UNLESS YOURE AT ROLL CATCH DISTANCE

[Moy_X7]

Well honestly, Jin should be playing this matchup like Noel is a tiny, speedy, Tager.

No kidding, the guessing game with 4D and 2D rivals that of Tager's Buster and AC. That and her 3C goes under a LOT of Jin's crap, gotta be careful of that when she has meter.

[LunaKage]

3C is really bad though, I envy those people who get away with using 3C as a reversal lol.

It's useful as a frame trap tool though, so definitely look out for the 2C > 3C on block, it will beat any non-invuln attacks as well as jump outs, if the Noel has meter she gets it ALMOST for free, however, it's really easy to DP it, but again, that's a mind game in itself.

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[Moy_X7]

3C is really bad though, I envy those people who get away with using 3C as a reversal lol.

It's useful as a frame trap tool though, so definitely look out for the 2C > 3C on block, it will beat any non-invuln attacks as well as jump outs, if the Noel has meter she gets it ALMOST for free, however, it's really easy to DP it, but again, that's a mind game in itself.

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I usually only get hit by that shit at the beginning of the match.

> "I think I'll use 5C as an opener"
> *gets hit by 3C as it low-profiles under my 5C*
> FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUU

It's not really used that much because of how vulnerable you are on whiff and block. It's kinda like doing random Ice/Heart Car, with the added perk of low-profiling under half of Jin's arsenal and doing a shit-ton of damage if it lands lol

[LunaKage]

oh yeah at the opening of the match it can be semi-legit. Only other time I use it at neutral is when I am max range away from Tager, because he can't punish it without Spark Bolt on Block.

But yeah at that range, it will usually go under most moves for any character, I'm just surprised you do 5C at round start, I usually expect Jin players to jump away, then it's like "FFFFFFFFFF THE CHASE IS ONN!!!!!!"

[Moy_X7]

I usually do either 66 5B or 5C at the start of a match depending on what character I'm facing. That time I just said "fuck it" and paid the consequences. Noel has a couple of moves that can go through my 5C (2D, 5D, and 3C), that's what I get lol.

[xlolxlolx]

against this bitch i just tk c ice sword or super jump block now :/

[aldreat]

Use your 2D pressure from farther than you normally would if you're going to punish her drives. Her 3C, dash 2A (which is universal), and just about all her drives allow her to dodge the attack, get in close, and punish you for 3.5K. Your 5D is a better option, even though it leaves you at negative frames and easy hit confirm. But use it at your typical 2D range (try and aim for the tip or the wolf's eye) because she can still 2a punish your dash cancel (7 start up vs -14 adv.) If you get the distance right, her 2A punishes will wiff and any drive retaliations like 5D are easily spotted, giving you enough time to continue pressure or DP.

[LunaKage]

Jin's 2D beats all of Noel's drives.