[CP] Ragna General/Gameplay Discussion

[KayEff]

So this topic is for discussing anything Ragna related. Even gameplay.

Try to keep off-topic discussion to a minimum. I don't mind the occasional casual talk, for example how Lumin x CarnageScissors should be made into a movie, but I really don't want this topic to turn into another netplay general, or even PSN general. Doing so could bring some unwanted attention and cause a lot more mayhem than what this archaic forum already needs (and it doesn't need any).

What you should talk about:

• Ragna player discussion (from videos, casuals, etc.)
• General questions, i.e. fighting game term definitions
• Questions about a move's certain attributes
• How to perform BnBs
• How to become better as a ragna player
• Matchup discussion (although it's better suited for the actual matchup threads)

What you shouldn't talk about:

• Overuse of off-topic discussion
• Tier list discussion
• Combo theory (combo thread)
• What color palettes you wear/like/whatever the fuck about palettes

Final CSEX -> CP Changes

[+] Indicates a buff
[-] Indicates a nerf
[x] Means we're not sure which they fall under

[+] Added 6A gatling option from 6B
[+] New move: Blood Scythe. Can inflict FC.
[+] Dead Spike has much larger horizontal hitbox and is dash cancellable, even without block or hit
[+] Tsuika has looser proration (?)
[+] D Inferno Divider has FC property. Characters like Hazama and Tsubaki get launched to just above Ragna's head
[+] Hell's Fang has more untechable, and launches higher on aerial hit. 5B confirmed to work after aerial HF
[x] Removed wallbounce from forward and backward throw
[x] BK changed from Distortion Drive to Over Drive, name changed to Blood Kain Idea
[x] 22C completely changed. Now causes opponents to slide, wallstick in corner. Dash and special cancellable
[x] Full C Inferno Divider >> Ax Kick combo does 1200 roughly
[x] Devoured by Darkness changed to normal Distortion Drive. Damage and number of hits decreased, however in OD all values are the same as in EX.
[-] Removed FC property from 2C
[-] Removed C gatling options from 6B
[-] Cannot jump cancel 6A on block
[-] Cannot dash cancel 5D and 6C on block or hit
[-] Gauntlet Hades is more unsafe, and Keri Age has less untechable. Cannot connect TK with 2A or 5A
[-] Dead Spike has more recovery
[-] Hell's Fang has less hitstun
[-] Belial Edge last hit has smaller hitbox, harder to pull off than in EX
[-] Straight Punch has much less untechable

Damage and Proration Values

Character combo rate: 70%

Name	Damage	P1	P2	Notes
5A	300	100	77
5B	660	100	89
5C	800	100	92
5D(1)	550	100	94
5D(2)	760	100?	75
2A	300	100	77
2B	500	90	85
2C	720	100	89
2D	750	80	94
3C	720	90	92
6A	620	90	79
6B	720	80	89
6C(1)	620	90	82(1)
6C(2)	620	90	82	if 6C(1) hits, P2 is 100
6D	750	90	94
j.A	300	100	77
j.B	500	90	85
j.C	620	90	89
j.D	590	90	75
Throw	1400	100	60	100% minimum damage
Crush Trigger	1000	80	100	ignores combo rate
Inferno Divider C(1)	550	80	92	×
Inferno Divider C(2)	550	80	92	×
air Inferno Divider C(1)	550	85	92	× - ground version treated as different move
air Inferno Divider C(2)	550	85	92	×
Inferno Divider D(1)	600	100	92	×
Inferno Divider D(2)	600	100	92	×
air Inferno Divider D(1)	600	100	92	× - ground version treated as different move?
air Inferno Divider D(2)	600	100	92	×
Upper	310	100?	100
Straight	400	100?	70	×
Ax Kick	480	100?	90
Hell's Fang	730	75	82	×
Tsuika (Additional Attack)	950	100	92	×
Gauntlet Hades	800	90	92	×
air Gauntlet Hades	700	90	92	×
Keri Age (Spin Kick)	800	100	67	×
Dead Spike	1000	90	92	×
Belial Edge	600, 100*N	90, 100	87, 100	× P2 maybe (once) instead?
Not Over Yet	952?	100?	92	× hitstun will be affected by repeat proration
Blood Scythe	1200	90	82	repeat proration not researched yet
air Blood Scythe	900	90	82	repeat proration not researched yet
Carnage Scissors	1000, 2500	85	92	30% minimum damage (1050)
Devoured by Darkness	0, 3000	80, 100	100, 5	25% minimum damage (750)

During Overdrive

Name	Damage	P1	P2	Notes
5D(2)	860	100?	75
2D	850	80	94
6D	850	90	94
j.D	690	90	75
Inferno Divider D(1)	700	100	92	×
Inferno Divider D(2)	700	100	92	×
air Inferno Divider D(1)	700	100	92	× - ground version treated as different move
air Inferno Divider D(2)	700	100	92	×
Ax Kick	680	100?	90	×
Tsuika (Additional Attack)	1150	100	92	×
Keri Age (Spin Kick)	1000	100	90	×
Dead Spike	600 * 3	90	92(1)	×
Blood Scythe	1400	90	82	repeat proration not researched yet
air Blood Scythe	1100	90	82	repeat proration not researched yet
Carnage Scissors	1000, 2500, 300 * 4	85 * 2, 100? * 4	92 * 2, 99 * 4	30% minimum damage (1410)
Devoured by Darkness	0, 6000	80, 100	100, 5	25% minimum damage (1500)

source: jbbs

[Fistmaster049]

Not much to say about Ragna in CP besides two things
he has one new move that looks like GH but with his scythe
...and that he looks just about the same play style wise lol

[Tong]

j.D possibly got nerfed.. The Aerial version of the Scythe knocks down like Heel Drop it seems. Not sure about the knockdown, but it sends Hazama hard to the ground.

[Fistmaster049]

Also taking bets on how they have changed Ragna in CP besides the new move
damage nerf?
buffed normals?
Nothing perhaps?

[Fistmaster049]

j.D possibly got nerfed.. The Aerial version of the Scythe knocks down like Heel Drop it seems. Not sure about the knockdown, but it sends Hazama hard to the ground.

certainally looks like, can't tell how much damage its capable of yet though and/or if it will be better than ID in the air

[-Seo]

They wouldn't change nothing. I'm curious how his new move will end up being used, hope it's an overhead too, despite it looking kinda slow, could maybe use it as a throw tech trap if you TK it or something.

A new super would be nice too, but only 'cause I wanna see more flashy shit.

[-Kid]

The damage didn't look too good on that Raw DbD.

[Fistmaster049]

The damage didn't look too good on that Raw DbD.

BK getting nerfed again? (sigh)

They wouldn't change nothing. I'm curious how his new move will end up being used, hope it's an overhead too, despite it looking kinda slow, could maybe use it as a throw tech trap if you TK it or something.

A new super would be nice too, but only 'cause I wanna see more flashy shit.

they would probably end up giving him that HF like super he has in Unlimited but with reduced damage

[WolfCrimson]

CHRONO phantasma, KF.

[-Kid]

BK getting nerfed again? (sigh)

The only thing it suggests is that the minimum damage ain't going to be so good. If you take a look, when he does DbD, he has 50 heat, and there is no bar for blood kain. This is suggestive of being able to use DbD outside of Blood Kain, and also, that it takes 25 heat or 50 heat to use DbD, which could be why the damage isn't so spectacular.