New to Fighters

[DynastyK]

Since you're playing BBCS:EX/P4A, if you haven't already, check up with the character's challenge mode. One, it shows you your character's specials and what kind of combos they have in from basic to advanced, and two, this is the biggest factor of if you decide to stick with the character or not. While those combos aren't optimal, it's that baby step that you improve on after becoming familiar with them. Also, it is important to be consistant with your combos rather than go for very fancy ones, as if you drop one of those, it may end up spilling regret. Another thing is that once you are familiar with the character, ask for a set of matches with another player of that character like Osuna has mentioned who can teach you how to play and etc. Those few steps I would recommend to start off with first. Everything else can be added once you become more comfortable. It's all about the baby steps and just playing more.

[Adelheid]

Since you're playing BBCS:EX/P4A, if you haven't already, check up with the character's challenge mode. One, it shows you your character's specials and what kind of combos they have in from basic to advanced, and two, this is the biggest factor of if you decide to stick with the character or not.

... Eh...? I don't think most people really consider how their combos flow when picking their characters. Challenge mode doesn't exactly go over neutral game, pokes, and setups, which are more typically what you would care about when playing a character. There's a few examples of, oh you can tailor combos to accomplish X goal besides damage/knockdown, but by and large you don't learn that from challenge mode. If you're trying to figure out who to play, the best idea is to really just play a few matches and get the hang of how a character moves and feels to you, maybe watch some videos to see how they function at high level play.

Purely for the purpose of figuring out who you want to play, I don't think it's really exactly necessary to learn combos more complicated than "do whatever into knockdown." Efficiency and damage per hit doesn't really matter for getting a feel for your character, and while combos can at least give extra metergain for giving you tools, any way to practice that isn't actual serious match play is going to be an abstraction to some degree anyway.

[Yuel]

Well, everyone has differing opinions on the matter so far and that's fine, though I don't mind just playing matches for fun even if I lose so I'll continue playing a bit on the side. I've started practicing combos in training and got stuck on #16 for Mitsuru's challenge. I'll just continue to practice combos everyday until I get used to doing them and gradually play more. I suppose my other questions on what I should be doing during an actual match would be better suited for someone that can teach me Mitsuru?

I disagree with the notion that fighting the AI constitutes practice since it encourages bad habits and requires you to relearn the game later, which is difficult, tedious and unnecessary.

I think for someone new it is best to get a mentor. Someone knowledgeable to answer questions as they come up and give feedback. Anyone new to fighters will have a lot of questions and sometimes not even know what it is they are trying to ask without someone's help. It is faster and more concise to have a rapport with someone than have to post and wait in the beginner forums for every single thing.

Maybe check out the match finder threads to see if there is someone local up to the task.

I don't really have a means of transportation and I don't think my parents would be happy about inviting someone over that I don't know ;_;. Do you think teaching online would be possible?

[Silmerion]

I don't really have a means of transportation and I don't think my parents would be happy about inviting someone over that I don't know ;_;. Do you think teaching online would be possible?

Probably? At least maybe. As far as I know Dustloop don't have a dedicated thread for it so you'll have to poke around a bit, but there are a couple of places you can ask:

1) Your appropriate match finder thread in the P4A Online Play subforum;
2) Your character's subforum.

[CupofT]

I don't really have a means of transportation and I don't think my parents would be happy about inviting someone over that I don't know ;_;. Do you think teaching online would be possible?

Probably? At least maybe. As far as I know Dustloop don't have a dedicated thread for it so you'll have to poke around a bit, but there are a couple of places you can ask:

1) Your appropriate match finder thread in the P4A Online Play subforum;
2) Your character's subforum.

As Darago says, just poke around the forums he mentioned. In some character subforums, there are threads dedicated for people who critique other people's matches.
Also I'm sure there are many people here on Dustloop who have headsets and can teach you through player matches.

[Osuna]

Well, everyone has differing opinions on the matter so far and that's fine, though I don't mind just playing matches for fun even if I lose so I'll continue playing a bit on the side. I've started practicing combos in training and got stuck on #16 for Mitsuru's challenge. I'll just continue to practice combos everyday until I get used to doing them and gradually play more. I suppose my other questions on what I should be doing during an actual match would be better suited for someone that can teach me Mitsuru?

I don't really have a means of transportation and I don't think my parents would be happy about inviting someone over that I don't know ;_;. Do you think teaching online would be possible?

You can do stuff online, but you really should check out those match finder threads anyway. Someone literally spent like 6 years in walking distance from my house before he tried to find someone because he didn't have transportation. Another time someone spent a year not playing because they couldn't drive and had moved to a new area, but they could have been car pooling to events pretty much the whole time.

It isn't that much work to look and be heard. In nothing else it might get you another online contact.

Also don't put Too much effort into challenge mode. It is useful to learn some concepts and applications of moves you might not have thought of, but sometimes an application will be completely and totally unnecessary in the long run. Learn what you can about the way things fit together and don't worry if you can't do everything consistently, since they aren't the 'real' combos usually.

Definitely find a mitsuru player to learn from, if you can.

[reaVer]

So, I don't actually recommend diving headfirst into matches. Take a few days, maybe a week or so, and only ever play in Training Mode. The first things you should practice are your pokes and your combos, but there's some other stuff you should check out too: take a look at my Training Mode guide for tips on how to practice attacks, combos, and more as effectively as possible.

After you've done that, it's time to take your experience to the ring! Unfortunately, if you're anything like me, you'll immediately find that you're suddenly too nervous to do combos and you'll just spaz out and lose. This is, I think, natural! It's just your nerves. From here on out, you ought to be splitting your time between repping your combos, pressure, etc. in Training Mode and learning how to apply them in actual matches.

After your nerves have calmed down, you feel more or less in control of your character, and you can do your character's B&Bs without having to think too much, start analyzing how you move. Movement is actually pretty complicated in airdash fighters; I don't know if you're coming from SF-style games or not, but even if you aren't, this guide is pretty much all about how to play footsies in GG/P4A/BBCS:EX.

Also, watch lots and lots of videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yqUpypQwGs

Quite frankly, the sooner you dive into matches the better. Yes, you will lose(a LOT), but the purpose here is to get a feel for the game, to learn how to move, when to move, to see where you can hit and where you cannot. Once you learned how to place hits and defend yourself, then you should look into "what gets me high rewards out of the hits I'm getting", I recommend starting with the hit you get the most first and then follow it down the line. As you're a beginner, you probably want to stick with combos that do good damage yet are simple to execute; if the previous is not possible you will want to look for combos that if the opponent techs them, he's in a bad position. Once you got passed this, you can start reading on techniques and implementing them. Famous one found in the arcsys game is FD braking (back + 2 buttons), followed by option selects, backdash practice and what not.

Doing it like this allows you to think towards what works and doesn't work and allows you to take the game the way it is. In general, it allows you to learn quite fast and develop good gamesense that allows you to plan a bit further ahead than "THE OPPONENT IS POUNDING MY GUARD, WTF DO I DO NOW?". If you start off in training mode, what often will happen is that you learn the BnBs, try to implement them and then realize you're not actually getting the hits you need; then when you finally do get a hit, you will be in complete shock and miss the combo afterwards! So really, if you can you should avoid training mode unless you found yourself in a spot where you know what to experiment with.

[Yuel]

So what I've gotten out of this thread is that I should be learning my spacing, how my character works, my moveset, to learn how to guard/punish, and some basic combos on my favorite hit confirms that any newcomer can pull off with practice (regardless of the methods). Any more specific questions and to learn more in general should be sought out by finding a Mitsuru mentor. If there's anything else I'm missing out of those (I'm sure there is more, but just the basics here), let me know, but I think I can pretty much wrap this thread up now. Thanks for the help! I think the fighting games community has been the most helpful by far out of any gaming category I've tried to pick up. (Though I have to say it is one of the harder ones to pick up, atleast for me.)

You can do stuff online, but you really should check out those match finder threads anyway. Someone literally spent like 6 years in walking distance from my house before he tried to find someone because he didn't have transportation. Another time someone spent a year not playing because they couldn't drive and had moved to a new area, but they could have been car pooling to events pretty much the whole time.

It isn't that much work to look and be heard. In nothing else it might get you another online contact.

Also don't put Too much effort into challenge mode. It is useful to learn some concepts and applications of moves you might not have thought of, but sometimes an application will be completely and totally unnecessary in the long run. Learn what you can about the way things fit together and don't worry if you can't do everything consistently, since they aren't the 'real' combos usually.

Definitely find a mitsuru player to learn from, if you can.

I think I might be able to start driving soon. Not entirely sure on that yet, but if I can, I'll definitely ask around.

[Osuna]

Ask around even if you can't. It couldn't hurt, you'll likely at least find someone with a good online connection. People miss out on tons of events and gaming partners because they don't ask. We have handy dandy threads to make it pretty easy to ask around and fine local people too.