BBTag/Carmine

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Overview[edit]
Overview

Carmine is a high damage rushdown character who can deal a huge amount of damage by himself. Unlike in UNIST, his set-play and mix-up are very linear here. Playing against him can easily be bound to give you a run for your money if one isn't careful, especially with his ability to covert any hit into high damage. However, the biggest thing to look out for with Carmine is that most of his blood moves all use up HP which can lead to an instant death if the player is not careful. To play this character well, good HP management is a must.


"You only got one life. Take care of it... You got that, you piece of trash?!"
Lore:Carmine Prime (real name unknown) is a 3rd year student of the same high school as Hyde. Sadistic and maniacal to the core, Carmine possesses an immense lust for violence to the point that it has become his sole purpose in life. Despite this, Carmine actually holds an extremely low opinion of himself and has little to no sense of self-worth, referring to both himself as well as people like him as "trash of society." He has even stated that he couldn't care less if he died one day on a pile of garbage, completely forgotten to the rest of the world. Nonetheless, Carmine only wishes to do the one thing he has ever been good at and which gives him his reason to live - beating others.


After being attacked by a Void and becoming an In-Birth, Carmine decided to use his newfound EXS abilities to fulfill his one desire: to fight. Now, he roams the streets during the Hollow Night seeking his favorite opponents in battle - other In-Births.
Playstyle
Carmine can control lots of space with his blood attacks and can deal lots of damage solo, but needs to manage his health or else he risks a fast death.
Pros Cons
  • Has some of the highest damage outputs in the game even without assists.
  • Above average health
  • Can reverse beat which allows him to confirm most grounded hits into a full combo/blockstring.
  • Great pressure and lockdown thanks to his specials, which is also helped by his dissolves.
  • Good space control thanks to his great normals, his specials and his dissolves.
  • In particular, his forward assist is effected by his dissolves and can help augment a partner's screen control and lockdown.
  • Can set more than double dissolves in this game compared to his limit of 2 dissolves in UNI.
  • Certain commands will recover some of his lost health.
  • Has an unblockable setup which becomes confirmable with a delayed assist.
  • Glass Cannon. His special moves are at the the cost of using his own health, though they won't kill him even if his life is at 1.
  • While he retains his strong pressure from UNI, he now lacks great solo mixups. Assists are recommended when opening up opponents.
  • Sub-par anti air game. His 2B lacks the range of his other normals and his reversal has a more horizontal hitbox rather than a vertical one.
  • Unlike back in UNI, he now only has one EX move/Extra Skill, making his capabilities with meter a bit more limited.
EXS of Lifeblood: Blood Spike

Carmine's EXS allows him to weaponize his own blood, even after it leaves his body and pools on the ground in the form of Dissolves. Dissolves are pools of blood left behind by certain moves in exchange for 750 points of health per Dissolve. Carmine can interact with them by using certain attacks, each resulting in different effects (e.g., 236X turns dissolves into an advancing blood wheel, 214X shoots up a blood crystal from the dissolve). Carmine can set one normal Dissolve (from 5B or j.B), one special move dissolve (from Spin! or Launch!), and two dissolves from j.C, meaning he can have up to 5 Dissolves present at any given time. Dissolves remain on the field indefinitely until Carmine is K.O'd or it is used once. Some moves can interact with Dissolves without reducing Carmine's HP, but in turn these moves cannot set down Dissolves.

Dissolve Manipulators:

  • 5BB (Spiked Blood Column)
  • j.BB (Spiked Blood Column)
  • Spin! (Blood Wheel)
  • Launch! (Blood Column)
  • No Escape! (Blood Column)
Blood Absorb
Carmine can also steal the opponent's blood and absorbing it into his body. This heals either 500 HP or a set percentage of Carmine's current Red Health. Red health recovery percent starts at 40% and is cut in half for every Blood Absorb hit done in the same combo (40%, 20%, 10%, etc.). If the first Blood Absorb in a combo would heal less than 500 Red Health, he will heal 500 points of his max HP and his Red Health will be removed. Note that if either 500 HP heal occurs, all subsequent Blood Absorbs will heal 0 HP.

Blood Absorb Attacks:

  • Throw
  • 5AAAA

Normal Moves[edit]

5A[edit]

Version Damage GuardHow this attack can be guarded. Throws have their throw range listed instead. StartupShows how many frame that the corresponding move needs to go through in order to reach its active frames. ActiveShows how many frames where there is a hurtbox, AKA the hitbox where if the opponent touches it, he/she will take damage. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryShows how many frames that the character must go through after its active frames to automatically go back to a neutral stance. Frame Adv.The difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. Inv.The number of frames this attack has invincibility, and what attribute(s) this invincibility applies to.
5A 1100 All 9 3 25 -11 -
5AA 1100 All 14 7 16 -6 -
5AAA 1300 All 15 3 30 -14 -
5AAAA 0*2, 800*3, 100 All 12 2 32 -15 -

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  • Jump cancellable on hit and block
  • Throw cancellable

5A is a very strong and versatile normal that serves as one of Carmine's primary neutral buttons. It has good range and inches him forward during the animation, making it a great combo starter. 5A is also jump cancellable on block, allowing for varied pressure options.


  • Throw cancellable

5AA is combo fodder from his smart combo that takes another step forward, therefore complimenting the offensive use that 5A currently had.


5AAA continues the trend of being easily hit confirmable. Mostly combo filler.


  • First time this is used in a combo, heals the greater of 2000 HP or 50% of his missing red health.
  • Subsequent times this is used in a combo, heals 1000 HP or 25% of his missing red health.
  • Side swaps on hit.

5AAAA is a Combo ender for restoring health. Gives decent oki as IAD j.A immediately after will safejump the opponent's tech in any direction.

It is possible to Active Switch to another character during this grab by calling an assist during the 5A string and inputting D during the startup of the hitgrab, but before it actually connects. This allows you to regain a chunk of health and switch Carmine out to allow him to regenerate even more health, while retaining okizeme options.

As of 2.0, you can perform a cross raid from this ender, which ensures the opponent doesn't swap sides with you meanwhile you still retain healing properties.

5B[edit]

Version Damage GuardHow this attack can be guarded. Throws have their throw range listed instead. StartupShows how many frame that the corresponding move needs to go through in order to reach its active frames. ActiveShows how many frames where there is a hurtbox, AKA the hitbox where if the opponent touches it, he/she will take damage. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryShows how many frames that the character must go through after its active frames to automatically go back to a neutral stance. Frame Adv.The difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. Inv.The number of frames this attack has invincibility, and what attribute(s) this invincibility applies to.
5B 1500 All 14 Until Hit Total: 42 -2 -
5BB 2200 All 15 7 Total: 36 -3 -

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  • Uses up 750 HP to set a dissolve upon hitting the opponent or the corner

Fast projectile that leaves a dissolve immediately upon contacting the opponent or the ground. Unlike in UNI, this move is special cancellable, which enables great pressure when cancelled into 214X or 236X since the dissolve attack will immediately kick in as a result.


  • Uses up all dissolve pools without any HP cost.

5BB is primarily used for combo purposes due it being jump cancellable on hit. With dissolves on screen, this move will create more of the same spike protrusions from the ground which can create good damage if multiple hit the opponent, but they remove dissolves upon use.

5C[edit]

2A[edit]

2B[edit]

2C[edit]

j.A[edit]

j.B[edit]

j.C[edit]

Thrust! (EX version)

Damage GuardHow this attack can be guarded. Throws have their throw range listed instead. StartupShows how many frame that the corresponding move needs to go through in order to reach its active frames. ActiveShows how many frames where there is a hurtbox, AKA the hitbox where if the opponent touches it, he/she will take damage. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryShows how many frames that the character must go through after its active frames to automatically go back to a neutral stance. Frame Adv.The difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. Inv.The number of frames this attack has invincibility, and what attribute(s) this invincibility applies to.
1000*4 All 14 2(7)2*3 Total: Until L+16L - -

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  • Sets two dissolves down, unlike its original version from UNI.
  • Costs twice as much health (1500 HP!) as other health-consuming moves.
  • Carmine's old 214C, which is now only a midair move with no special move properties.
  • Move puts you in advantage the closer you are to the ground. Instant air j.C leaves you a fair bit plus.
  • Combo ender, but can also be used for combo extensions when doing this in air combos on the falling part of his jump.

This move is pretty strong when right above enemy heads as a way to bait anti airs. With an assist to help, you can cover j.C's recovery while making it confirmable. Be mindful that there is a dead zone right in the middle from wear he throws it, to the spikes created on the ground. However, an assist can clear it of this weakness. Otherwise, this move has it's uses of quickly chucking out dissolves but at a higher health cost. This move is also your other air combo ender besides j.b, and you can actually still get good oki from 236x off of this.


Universal Mechanics[edit]

Ground Throw[edit]

5B+C

Pulverize![edit]

5A+D


Skills[edit]

Spin![edit]

236A/B (Air OK)

Version Damage GuardHow this attack can be guarded. Throws have their throw range listed instead. StartupShows how many frame that the corresponding move needs to go through in order to reach its active frames. ActiveShows how many frames where there is a hurtbox, AKA the hitbox where if the opponent touches it, he/she will take damage. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryShows how many frames that the character must go through after its active frames to automatically go back to a neutral stance. Frame Adv.The difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. Inv.The number of frames this attack has invincibility, and what attribute(s) this invincibility applies to.
236A 1200*2 All 47 12*4 Total: 37 - -
j.236A 1200*2 All 46 12*4 Total: 40 - -
236B 1200*2 All 47 12*4 Total: 37 - -
j.236B 1200*2 All 46 12*4 Total: 40 - -
Puddle 1500 All 37 18 - - -

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  • Creates a dissolve at the cost of 750 HP
  • Dissolves turn into buzzsaws that travel along the ground in the direction of the opponent.
  • Extremely advantageous on block.

"Pinwheel" special. You are at massive frame advantage if the opponent blocks it, and even more so if done as a meaty as the blade will spin for a while longer if it does not immediately hit anything. Beware as there is a significant gap on startup if you have no dissolves out. With a dissolve out, the gap is too small to mash with regular attacks, but you can still get hit by reversals. If set up properly, 236x can catch all air techs and can be used in unblockable setups with reversal action. Can be used in combos after throw after a dissolve is nearby or can otherwise be combo'd off most confirms with assists.

His B versions of his spin are a new asset to him in this game and are pretty useful for further ranged space control and setting far dissolves. Just be mindful of enemies who get in between the gap it creates.

Launch![edit]

214A/B

Thrust![edit]

214C

Version Damage GuardHow this attack can be guarded. Throws have their throw range listed instead. StartupShows how many frame that the corresponding move needs to go through in order to reach its active frames. ActiveShows how many frames where there is a hurtbox, AKA the hitbox where if the opponent touches it, he/she will take damage. Occurs after Startup. RecoveryShows how many frames that the character must go through after its active frames to automatically go back to a neutral stance. Frame Adv.The difference between the attacker's recovery and the period that the opponent is in blockstun. This Frame Advantage value is based off the fact that the very first active frame touches the opponent. Throws list the amount of Frame Advantage upon successfully throwing the opponent. Inv.The number of frames this attack has invincibility, and what attribute(s) this invincibility applies to.
Attack 2000 Low 18 3 Total: 46 -1 -
Puddle 2000 All 27 after Thrust! ends 18 - - -

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  • Costs 750 HP
  • Knocks down
  • Detonation launches
  • The detonation uses all previous dissolves but does not set one after

A two part attack that begins with Carmine performing a swipe downward that knocks down and sets a dissolve, and ends with a blood explosion from all dissolves on screen shortly after. Carmine can only set down one trap in BBTAG and he cannot control the detonation timing. However, this is made up with the fact that it now interacts with each and every dissolve previously placed meaning you can cover a good portion of the screen when given the opportunity. 214C can be used to punish opponents from retaliating, or condition them to not try to punish this move as any slow enough attack will lead to them getting punished by the detonation. Additionally, the knock down combined with the delayed followup makes this move a suitable oki tool.


Extra Skills[edit]

Spin![edit]

236C (Air OK)


Partner Skills[edit]

5P[edit]

UNI Dash C

6P[edit]

Spin!

4P[edit]

Thrust!


Distortion Skills[edit]

Hahahaha! Be Devoured![edit]

236B+C

No Escape...![edit]

214B+C


Distortion Skill Duo[edit]

Hahahaha! Be Devoured! P during Partner's Distortion Skill[edit]


Astral Heat[edit]

You Shit! This is the END![edit]

222B+C




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Overview Practically done. However, some changes need to be made, being description for 236BC, DHC and Astral; 214X description doesn't mention that 214X with a puddle is +0 on block; health values for every blood move needs to be listed in descriptions; and Carmine 5AAAA/grab heal values are outdated {{{OverviewScore}}}/15
Combos Combos are filled in but damage values as well as self harm values need to be edited. Also, Wheel loop combos don't work. {{{CombosScore}}}/10
Strategy Point, General tactics as well as Tips and Tricks are all blank. Anchor explanation needs to be edited and be more in-depth. Recommended partners needs to be edited (take out Es and Hazama, add Mika and Gord, etc). Blockstrings need explanations as to when to use said blockstrings as well as their applications. {{{StrategyScore}}}/25
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