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* Slightly slower than average 2M
* When used in blockstrings, it is slow enough to be reflected or reversal'd. This might not happen every time, but is important to keep in mind
Has decent range. Won't truestring after 5L or 2L, but can from 5LL and 5M.
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Overview
Overview

Videl is certainly an odd case in Dragon Ball FighterZ, as she's a regular teenage girl in a cast of space monkey gods. On top of weird properties on her attacks inspired by her poor understanding of Ki, her Z-Reflect is replaced by a spot-dodge that does not help her in any way, only really giving her access to very specific advantages that can be exploited easily. But one of the aspects she does not struggle in is her mixups, in stark contrast to her extremely poor defense. Videl is a very strong character when she's able to start mixing people up, with a massive assortment of mixup tools just beg to be put to use, and the "mysterious" Great Saiyaman is there to cover her in neutral and provide oki. As the cherry on top, those strange normals are loaded on hitstun, giving her plenty combo routes once she gets the hit. This gives Videl some really strong pressure when she can get started, making sure the opponent has to respect her or pay for it. Videl may be an odd choice, but if you like the pressure and underdog status she brings, then she might be the character for you.

"I wouldn't look down on me if I were you. I can hold my own in a fight."
Lore:The daughter of Mr. Satan, "the world's champion that defeated Cell". After discovering her schoolmate Son Gohan’s secret identity as the Great Saiyaman, Videl got him to train her using a blackmail-type of threat. She then became very strong for a human and developed a liking for Gohan.

 Videl  Videl is a mixup character with bad defense and low damage, but extremely powerful vortex options that can suffocate the opponent.

Pros
Cons
  • Human Blender: Great mixup potential; several options available to her at all times and carries that momentum after a knockdown thanks to her great j.2S oki.
  • Great Saiyaman: Silly 5S/j.S projectile that travels very fast, beats superdash, jails into vanish, and more. Just what is the identity of our caped hero?
  • Combo Supreme: Strange properties and outrageous hitstun on lots of her buttons give her confirms off of just about anything, and midscreen loops.
  • No Traditional Reflect: Z-Reflect is replaced with a frankly terrible spot-dodge, crippling her defense and making her easy to roll to compensate for her offense.
  • Poor Normals: Mediocre framedata on block, stubby range, and awkward properties can make some scrambles difficult.
  • Mixup Scaling: Most of her mixups heavily scale her damage, while she generally requires harder routes to get the damage in the first place.


Videl
DBFZ Videl Portrait.png
oh god why can't i reflect
Videl's Z-Reflect is replaced with a Spotdodge that has a myriad of issues. At the very least, Videl has an alternate costume. Hold down A1 (Assist 1/L1 on a DS4) while selecting her.

Normal Moves

5L

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5L
5LL
5LLL

  • 5L has a high hitbox
  • 5LLL switches sides on hit.
  • Cancelling into this from a blocked 5LL always leaves the opponent in too much blockstun for the throw to work.

5M

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  • Can be used twice in a string by inputting 4MM.

One of Videl's better buttons. The fact that she can use 4MM to use it twice helps her a lot in terms of pressure and strings, as not only does it add on damage in the case of it hitting, but her 2M being as slow as it is means that 4MM gives her a bit of a replacement in some regards. It's also good for snagging characters out of the air higher than Videl, and is a prime button to combo into 6H with.

5H

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  • Uses up Videl's Smash
  • Wall bounces if Smash hasn't been used

Videl does a tetsuzanko like Akira from Virtua Fighter.

5S

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  • Can be superdashed through
  • Can go through ki blasts

Videl calls the Great Saiyaman to do a dashing punch.

2L

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A godsend for Videl considering her slower than average 2M.

2M

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  • Slightly slower than average 2M

Has decent range. Won't truestring after 5L or 2L, but can from 5LL and 5M.

2H

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  • Universal Anti-Air
  • Uses up Videl's Smash
  • Launches higher with more hitstun if Smash hasn't been used

2S

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  • Can be superdashed through

Videl calls the Great Saiyaman to throw a level 1 ki blast. Mostly an oki tool, but j.2S is better served for that purpose.

6M

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  • Universal overhead
  • Uses animation and hitboxes/hurtboxes of j.H

It's an overhead. Can only be converted off of with an assist, meaty, or an airdash/vanish cancel in sparking.

6H

Justice Combination

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  • A 3-hit combo normal.
  • Invincible to ki blast projectiles.
  • The gaps inbetween each hit beat buttons, but lose to reflects and reversals.
  • Special-cancellable on every hit and 6M cancellable as well.
  • 6H(x) delay 6M will beat reflect

Videl's command normal. Very useful for her grounded routes, as it allows her to not only have great corner carry but gives her a solid combo option that doesn't use up her Smash, which gives her potential to combo into her Level 1 and get extensions. It's not fantastic in blockstrings but can be good if you catch your opponent mashing light inbetween your strings. It can have some small use as a bait as it can cancel into the command grab, but you're better off using different strings if possible. Also has some use as a meaty of sorts, although this isn't as useful.

j.L

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This normal is surprisingly good and can even be used sometimes as an air to air to catch SuperDashes.

j.M

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  • Good range, good for crossup. 5M is guaranteed to hit after a successfull j.M.

j.H

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  • [] is on Smash hit
  • Deals below average damage for a j.H

j.S

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  • Cannot be superdashed through

The Great Saiyaman does a divekick at about a 60 degree angle. Can be linked off of in the corner.

j.2H

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  • Smash hit launches higher.
  • Very good vertical range, can be used to cover both uptech and normal tech after a sliding knockdown.
  • Does not change air momentum like other launching j.2H.

Extremely high hitstun even on non-Smash hit. Allowing Videl to do non-Smash j.2H > SD among other things even in midscreen.

j.2S

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  • Cannot be superdashed through
  • Always causes a sliding knockdown on hit
  • Doesn't use up smash, so you can follow up with a lvl1 into a combo.

The Great Saiyaman does a divekick straight down. Has a lot of use for sliding knockdown setups in the corner, as it will cover almost every single tech option if timed properly, and force the opponent in a blocking situation no matter what.

Unique Mechanics

Z-Reflect (Spotdodge)

4S

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  • Videl reels back, temporarily deactivates her pushbox and becomes invulnerable to all strikes and projectiles. Unlike Reflect which has guardpoint against strikes and projectiles except Sparking Blast.
  • Dodge counts as successful only if a hitbox passes through her and is indicated by a blue circle. Successful dodge gives Videl full invul until after recovery (F39) and can cancel into any action starting from F35, but does not give any Ki.

Utterly terrible. Bar none the greatest weakness a character can have and renders Videl almost completely helpless on defense.

Spotdodge offers some interesting benefits, such as moves will whiff through her instead of being blocked, so if an opponent does a Special move, they cannot Vanish. This gives Videl some slight edge, but this is basically where the positives of this replacement end. It's not just that Spotdodge is weak, it's that Reflect is one of the best defensive tools in the game, and she trades it for Spotdodge.

Successful dodge does not guarantee a counterattack or even escape pressure, it simply grants Videl invulnerability. There are no pushbacks, meaning several characters can just start throwing out 5LL and will stuff any attempts she can make at escaping. Dodging can still leave her minus and in fact frequently does. It loses to okizemi from certain characters VERY hard, and it especially loses to stagger pressure - which is already a strong strategy. You are constantly at a defensive disadvantage, will have to rely on her DP and counter Super in order to escape pressure and can't even adopt a passive-aggressive style such as Hit's Reflect > 5M.

Extra comparison to Reflect:

Curiously, unlike successful Reflect which gives the defender a consistent frame advantage against the same attack, Spotdodge instead gives Videl ~variable~ frame advantage depending on when the attack passes through her. Specifically, if it passes through early, she'll be horribly negative, but if it passes through late into the animation, she'll have better advantage (read: the game rewards Videl for preemptively Spotdodging instead of reactively). A very practical example would be Reflecting a Vanish that doesn't true string: Reflect will always leave you at +11 every single time, while Spotdodge will be ±0 at best and -21 if she dodges it frame 1, like against Yamcha 236L~H (blocked) > Vanish. Yes, blocking in this case is infinitely preferable to Spotdodging, and there will be a lot of cases like this.

Special Moves

Videl Rush

236L/M/H

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  • Videl does a forward kick.

The start of her rekka pressure, less damaging than 236M, but has a quicker startup. So If 236M doesn't hit consistently, better use 236L. }} ! M

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Better than 236L because it goes farther, does more damage, and still combos from 6H. But it has a slower startup than 236L, making it a bit more tricky to use. }} ! H

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Has the same startup as 236L, while being more damaging than 236M and it reaches 3/4 of the screen. Can be used to try to get in, in neutral.

Videl Rush Follow-ups

Videl Rush > L/M/H

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LL
LLL
M
H

  • L followup hits overhead.
  • Doesn't have Head property, cannot be Anti-air'd.
  • Automatic Frame Trap. (So can be reflected)

Videl does an elbow drop. Because it's an overhead (that must be blocked standing), it forms a good mixup between it and her 214X moves (which have to be crouched).


  • LL followup doesn't use Smash in the series.
  • Multihit, easy to call assists and extend combos.

  • LLL followup consumes Smash.
  • Wallbounces on hit.
  • Causes Videl to go into a landing animation, even if she combos afterwards.
  • Cancelable into an airdash.

Your go-to meterless corner combo extender. You can use 236L+M instead for more damage but it's generally not worth it.


  • M followup is 22M, but mid rekka.

Command cross up from rekkas, uses Smash. Good to have.


  • H followup is 214H, but mid rekka.
  • Cannot hit crouching opponents.

Command grab from rekkas, uses Smash. Forms a basic mixup with the L follow up, but it's more expensive than stopping after 236X and using 2L while also being less rewarding and about as risky.

Air Videl Rush

j.236L/M/H

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M
H

  • j.236L results in a soft knockdown.
    • This is Videl's primary combo extender with an assist, as it outdamages j.H. By a lot.
  • j.236M results in sliding knockdown on it's first use in a combo.
    • This is Videl's primary combo ender, It will always slide knockdown.
  • j.235H results in sliding knockdown on it's first use in a combo.
    • Kind of useless as j.236M does the same thing for free.

Frankensteiner

214L/M/H (Air OK)

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Ground L
Air L
Ground M
Air M
Ground H
Air H

  • 214L is Videl's command grab.
  • Results in a sliding knockdown

  • During 214M, tap M for a sliding knock down, hold M for Videl to throw the opponent outwards
  • Can combo off held version if the opponent its thrown into the corner or vanish is used

  • 214H has Great Saiyaman come out and bumps the opponent back to Videl, allowing for a combo. Hold the button for the Great Sayiaman to not come out.

  • All versions whiff on crouching opponents.

Moonsault Kick

22L/M/H (Air OK)

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Ground L
Air L
Ground M
Air M
Ground H
Air H

  • All versions cross up on the opponent.
  • All versions jail after vanish if blocked.
  • M and H versions use smash on hit to create a ground bounce (or wallbounce if opponent is launched into a corner)

Rising Eagle

214S

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  • Fully invincible from frame 1

Videl's go-to reversal, as it is meterless and invincible frame 1. She can get SKD off of vanish if it connects so this is very easy to confirm into a good situation for Videl, and can be used in blockstrings with very small gaps to catch your opponent, but like most DPs it can be safejumped and/or baited out easily, so try not to go too crazy with it.

Z Assists

Assist A

Videl Rush

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  • Goes about as far as Bardock's assist.

It's literally just Bardock's assist, but with slightly more hitstun.

Assist B

Eagle Rush

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  • 56 frames of hitstun.

A better version of her boyfriend's B assist although with less range, in exchange for more hitstun and blockstun.

Assist C

Rising Eagle

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  • Has invincibility after teleporting to target

Super Moves

Rainbow Storm

236L+M

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  • Costs 1 Ki Gauge.
  • Minimum damage: 120, 555.
  • Can be followed up with j.2S > DR or j.2S > SuperDash if Smash hasn't been used
  • If Smash has been used, Videl can cancel the end of this super on hit into anything.

Defender of Love & Justice, Great Saiyaman!

236H+S

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Counter
Attack

  • Costs 1 Ki Gauge.
  • Counter super where Videl poses. She will counter any "physical" attack, whereas supers or ki blasts will stuff it. If succesful, the Great Saiyaman appears for a straight attack downward.
  • Because it is frame 1, it can be used as a counter to safejump setups. However, if you're not careful, you'll simply get baited out instead.
  • Great Saiyaman will completely whiff if the opponent is invincible during their hit, such as during DPs or UI Goku's 236x. Be aware when fighting someone of what exactly you're countering.
  • During the first time the attack is used, the Great Saiyaman shall perform his trademark heroic pose, which gives him a damage increase on all of his attacks (5S, 2S, etc). This only happens if the full animation played out. - DHCing before the animation plays out will not give him the buff.
  • Can be Z-Changed, as soon as the Great Saiyaman comes down onto the opponent.
  • After activating the power up once, the animation will no longer play, allowing for easier Z-Changes

Not too bad. It being frame 1 for 1 bar means it's a decent option in blockstrings with gaps, but not only do you need to be weary of your opponent catching on and dropping blockstrings to beat it, but some moves can straight up get through the counter anyway. It can also be risky to mash because the opponent can simply through out a ki blast in the middle of the blockstring and beat the move, leaving you with 1 less meter to work with. It's also a very strong option against safejumps, forcing your opponent to get off you and respect you a little. Can be good, but be careful of abusing it.

Justice Rush

214L+M or 214H+S

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  • Costs 3 Ki Gauges
  • Fully invincible on startup
  • Ends with a hard knockdown
  • Minimum damage: 1604 [1711].

Justice Revenge

Hold H+S while knocked down

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  • Gohan shows up in front of Videl and does a Kamehameha.
  • Causes hard knockdown on hit.

The beam itself is really good since it's a safe on block/Reflect reversal. However, its downfall is that Gohan has his own collision box. If the opponent is slightly late on their IAD safejump, they'll land right in between the couple, free to punish a vulnerable Videl.

External References

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