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Baiken

Defense Modifier: Guts Rating: Weight: Stun Resistance: Prejump: Backdash Time / Invul: Wakeup (Face Up/Down): / Movement Options Double Jump, 1 Airdash, Dash Type: Run Play-style Mixup, Countering

Overview

Well known for her ability to completely turn the tide of a battle with a successful guard cancel and even prevent opponent advances with Azami, Baiken is a credible threat with huge potential for massive comebacks. Baiken can very easily keep pressure on the opponent through Tatami, Rokkonsogi, and Kabari, alongside her far-reaching slash and heavy slash.

However, Baiken is a glass cannon based around reading what your opponent is going to do and dedicating herself to stopping that motion. Since Azami leaves Baiken in counter hit state, an unsuccessful Azami can be devastating, especially considering Baiken's low defense modifier.

Strengths/Weaknesses

Strengths

Weaknesses

Very high average damage in the corner, and solid corner carry on many of her combos.
Good at fishing for counterhits, and gets huge damage from specific counterhit confirms.
Good okizeme and a strong mixup game.
Exploits RISC well and can crank the RISC gauge very quickly if not quickly dealt with.
A guard cancellable parry and a solid metered DP make for a strong defensive spread of options.
Very capable of playing defensive neutral and punishing predictable approaches.
Can guardpoint through many moves with Suzuran.

The 2nd lowest stun resistance behind Dizzy/Chipp. Pays dearly for mistakes and bad decisions.
Poor lockdown without meter; cannot keep opponents blocking without having to make risky callouts against jumps and backdashes.
Unimpressive damage without tension or the opponent in the corner.
Ground normals are frequently outclassed in speed and range by dedicated footsie characters.
Guard cancel is significantly more difficult than in previous games.
Aggressive space control methods are all slow and high-commitment.

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Normal Moves

5P

Knock knock

8	Mid	5	2	6	-	-

5K

Deceptively far-reaching

14	Mid	7	5	8	-	-

c.S

28	Mid	9	2	16	-	-

f.S

Strong, highly active disjoint.

30	Mid	9	6	15	-	-

5H

Stronger, less active disjoint

44	Mid	11	2	22	-	-

5D

Puffball

20	High	25	2	26	-	-

6P

Now comes with a hitbox on her breasts

30	Mid	9	7	15	-	-

6K

Staggers like a kick to the gut should

24	Mid	12	9	6	-	-

6H

Baiken Smash!

52	Mid	14	8	28	-	-

2P

Fist bump

8	Mid	6	3	7	-	-

2K

Mind your feet

12	Low	5	5	6	-	-

2S

Riskier than it used to be

32	Mid	11	3	13	-	-

2H

Roll under all the stun edges

48	Low	17	6	22	-	-

2D

Get hit by all the stun edges

30	Low	8	9	16	-	-

j.P

Basically Sol's j.P ... but this one actually has some recovery

10	High/Air	5	8	10	-	-

j.K

Hopkicks

18	High/Air	7	8	12	-	-

j.S

Ol'reliable

32	High/Air	8	7	19	-	-

j.H

PAIRON SWORD!

40	High/Air	15	Until Landing	Until Landing	-	-

j.D

Note: not an air fireball

38	High/Air	12	3	26 + 6 after landing	-	-

Universal Mechanics

Ground Throw

60	Ground Throw	1			-	-

Air Throw

60	Air Throw	1			-	-

Dead Angle Attack

25	Mid	11	7	15	-	-

Blitz Attack

Blitz Attack
P/K+H

Baiken does strike a cool pose, though

50	Mid	(15~50)+13	3	hit:11 Whiff:20	-	-

Special Moves

Tatami

Tatami Gaeshi
236K (Air OK)

Scream it from the mountaintops.

40	Mid	15		Total 45	-	-	40	Mid	20		Until Landing+12	-	-

Azami

Azami
S+H or 4S+H for Standing
2S+H or 1S+H for Crouching
j.S+H or j.4S+H for Air

Hold it, HOLD IT, aaaaaand... perfect!

		1	12~100F(Hold)	Total 34~122	-	-

Suzuran

Suzuran
63214K

Not quite Fuujin, but it'll do

N/A				Total 28	-	-

Kuchinashi

Kuchinashi
P after successful ground Azami catch or during Suzuran

"Gap Opener" ... but its a combo ender.

42	Mid	12	6	32+6 After landing	-	-	42	Mid	12	6	32+6 After landing	-	-

Mawarikomi

Mawarikomi
K after successful Ground Azami catch or during Suzuran

　"Wraparound"

Float like a butterfly

N/A				Total 30	-	-	N/A				Total 30	-	-

Sakura

Sakura
S after successful ground Azami catch or during Suzuran

"Silk Tear" ... but its a stab.

30	Mid	17	2	31	-	-	30	Mid	17	2	25	-	-

Rokkonsogi

Rokkonsogi
H after successful ground Azami catch or during Suzuran

　"Six Roots Slice"

Sting like a bee

40	Mid	13~23	4	24	-	-	40	Mid	13~23	4	Total: 30~43	-	-

Yashagatana

Yashagatana
D After Successful Ground Azami Catch

"Guardian Deity Sword" ... but its a gun

25	Mid	33		Total 48	-	-

Tsubaki

Tsubaki
P or K After Successful Air Azami Catch

Spin to win

44	Mid	P:9 K:14	P:11 K:10	16 + 5 after landing	-	-

Kikyou

Kikyou
S or H After Successful Air Azami Catch

"Devil Split"

40	Mid	S: 19 H: 22	Until landing	Until L +26	-	-

Kabari

Kabari
41236S/H

"Mosquito Net"

Everyone and their dog bursts this

30	Mid	21	11	14	-	-	30	Mid	26	11	14	-	-

Himarawi

Himarawi
Kabari > P

"Free Match"

Baiken with the RKO outta nowhere!

0, 70	Ground Throw	36	1	53	-	-

Tetsuzansen

Tetsuzansen
Kabari > S

"Iron Cutting Fan"

36	Mid	22	3	16	-	-

Rokkonsogi

Rokkonsogi
Kabari > H

"Six Roots Slice"

30	Mid	14	3	21	-	-

Youzansen

Youzansen
j.623S

"Fancy Fan Slash"

44	High	6	12	14 +11 after landing	-	-

Overdrives

Tsurane Zanzuwatashi

Tsurane Zanzuwatashi
236236S/D

"Three Consecutive Slashes"

Heaven, Earth, Man

45,40,43	Mid	6+1	6(18)6(26)3	23	-	-	56,50,53	Mid	6+1	6(18)6(26)3	23	-	-

Metsudo Kushoudou

Metsudo Kushoudou
236236H after a successful Ground or Air Azami catch or during Suzuran

"Nine Paths of Nirvana"

80,63	Mid	5+1		Total:	-	-

Instant Kill

Garyo Tensei
During IK Mode: 236236H

"The Finishing Step"

Now with 100% more shamisen

DESTROY	All	9+27 [5+22]	16	38	-	-

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@@ Line 147: / Line 147: @@
 {{AttackData-GGXRD-R2 |damage=24 |tension= |risc= |prorate= |level=3 |guard=Mid
   |cancel=S |roman=YRP |startup=12 |active=9 |recovery=6 |frameAdv=+2~+10 |inv=[1-11F Throw]
-  |description=A good pressure normal that is positive on block and moves Baiken forwards. Its frame advantage is amplified if it connects from further away and Baiken advances a bit before landing the hit.
+  |description=6K is Baiken's best pressure normal, since it is positive on block, moves her forwards, lifts her hurtbox over most lows, and all practical gatlings into 6K leave very small gaps (3f). Has a very generous special cancel window and is one of Baiken's few ways to create ambiguous situations on block. Its frame advantage is amplified if it connects from further away and Baiken advances a bit before landing the hit (generally around +7).
 *The throw OS option of choice against people mashing backthrow.
 *Throw invulnerable on startup frames [11]
@@ Line 231: / Line 231: @@
   |description=Useful combo starter followed with Tatami, and the low half of Baiken's high/low mixup out of 5P/5K/5S. Once you make your opponent afraid of youzansen, you will find they get hit by 2D a lot more.
-Like most sweeps with decent range, it is also good for abare, but where Baiken's 2D stands out from most good abare sweeps is its surprisingly high hitbox, which makes it better against low-crush options than most sweeps, and an overall strong option in matchups like vs. I-no. The hitbox and hurtbox are both still quite tall, so don't expect to low-profile anything.
+Like most sweeps with decent range, it is also good for mashing with, but where Baiken's 2D stands out from most good abare sweeps is its surprisingly high hitbox, which makes it better against low-crush options than most sweeps, and an overall strong option in matchups like vs. I-no. The hitbox and hurtbox are both still quite tall, so don't expect to low-profile anything.
 *Can be jump cancelled
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   |description=As one of the few level 4 air normals in the game, j.H is more or less always plus on block on a good aerial approach, which makes it a good jump in option. Its usefulness is slightly limited by the awkwardness of the best special cancel it offers in air tatami, and the hitbox structure tending to put you inside throw range on airdash approaches, but it some very good reward on hit, as well as decent hitbox coverage, good frame advantage on block in most cases, and can be awkward to antiair from the right angles. Hits fairly deep and doesn't need to be timed, so it will blow up late 6Ps fairly often.
-Because of the high commitment nature of this move, it is best to option select forward air-throws with one of Baiken's other air buttons.
+Because of the high commitment nature of this move, it is best to option select forward air-throws with one of Baiken's other air buttons (usually j.P).
 *Very good frame advantage from safejumps.
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 *The only Azami followup that is not grounded throughout. Use this as a hard callout if your opponent has taken to throwing your azami followups.
 *On CH, gives hard knockdown and launches opponents long enough to begin air combos
-*No invulnerability, but a large hitbox.
   }}
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   |cancel= |roman=Azami:R Suzuran:YRP |startup=12 |active=6 |recovery=32+6 After landing |frameAdv=-34 |inv=
-  |description=Suzuran Kuchinashi is Baiken's best combo ender, and because of the relative position it leaves you to your opponent, gives somewhat better okizeme than Rokkonsogi. It Links into 5P, 2K or 5K in if you hit close airborne opponents and if used as a combo extender, gives fairly reliable corner carry in midscreen combos. Kuchinashi usually gives knockdown, but if used against opponents too high in the air in long combos, will allow them to tech.
+  |description=Suzuran Kuchinashi is Baiken's best combo ender, and because of the relative position it leaves you to your opponent, gives somewhat better okizeme than Rokkonsogi. It Links into 5P, 2K or 5K (and slower normals if it connects later into active frames) and if used as a combo extender, gives fairly reliable corner carry in midscreen combos. Kuchinashi usually gives knockdown, but if used against opponents too high in the air in long combos, will allow them to tech.
 *Has upper body invulnerability that ends as soon as the move becomes active